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Please be mature. If you don't have anything intelligent to say or haven't the read the article, don't post.

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Peter Singer
2001


Not so long ago, any form of sexuality not leading to the conception of children was seen as, at best, wanton lust, or worse, a perversion. One by one, the taboos have fallen. The idea that it could be wrong to use contraception in order to separate sex from reproduction is now merely quaint. If some religions still teach that masturbation is "self-abuse," that just shows how out of touch they have become. Sodomy? That's all part of the joy of sex, recommended for couples seeking erotic variety. In many of the world's great cities, gays and lesbians can be open about their sexual preferences to an extent unimaginable a century ago. You can even do it in the U.S. Armed Forces, as long as you don't talk about it. Oral sex? Some objected to President Clinton' choice of place and partner, and others thought he should have been more honest about what he had done, but no one dared suggest that he was unfit to be President simply because he had taken part in a sexual activity that was, in many jurisdictions, a crime.

But not every taboo has crumbled. Heard anyone chatting at parties lately about how good it is having sex with their dog? Probably not. Sex with animals is still definitely taboo. If Midas Dekkers, author of Dearest Pet, has got it right, this is not because of its rarity. Dekkers, a Dutch biologist and popular naturalist, has assembled a substantial body of evidence to show that humans have often thought of "love for animals" in ways that go beyond a pat and a hug, or a proper concern for the welfare of members of other species. His book has a wide range of illustrations, going back to a Swedish rock drawing from the Bronze Age of a man fucking a large quadruped of indeterminate species. There is a Greek vase from 520 BC showing a male figure having sex with a stag; a seventeenth-century Indian miniature of a deer mounting a woman; an eighteenth-century European engraving of an ecstatic nun coupling with a donkey, while other nuns look on, smiling; a nineteenth-century Persian painting of a soldier, also with a donkey; and, from the same period, a Japanese drawing of a woman enveloped by a giant octopus who appears to be sucking her cunt, as well as caressing her body with its many limbs. Continued


http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/2001----.htm

This is an article written in 2001 by the contemporary Australian ethicist Peter Singer. In a nutshell, he is suggesting that we reconsider the taboo of mutually satisfactory sex with animals, as we, as a society, have done with oral sex, homosexuality and so on.

Please read the article before you post your opinion. I won't hesitate to report anyone who spams this thread.
 
I think they could have gotten their point across better if they used less vulgar language at certain points

I don't want to turn this into a debate over that, but:

That word shouldn't be offensive if used correctly, BUT, it clearly had an effect on you and that's the point.
 
I don't want to turn this into a debate over that, but:

That word shouldn't be offensive if used correctly, BUT, it clearly had an effect on you and that's the point.

Except that our society has attached stigmas to such words, that normally have negative expressions. I personally feel that by doing this they detract from the main focus of the article
 
Except that our society has attached stigmas to such words, that normally have negative expressions. I personally feel that by doing this they detract from the main focus of the article

The article is about taboos, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the author included it simply because it is the most tabooed word in the English language. In any case, it wasn't always used as it is now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt


Please don't get off topic though.
 
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Well I suppose a 'just' taboo is social disapproval (that is the application of social power) leveled against some bad habit, a bad habit being anything which brings about a general state of unhealthiness either for the individuals involved or for third parties, or both.

I'm actually not a big fan of taboo, I think it is overused and tends generally to be founded in prejudice. That said, there are some legitimate applications of taboo (such as to prevent unwanted pregnancy, etc. and to help promote honest and good relations with others.)

In my own personal opinion, each might very well do whatever he/she pleases, as long as it doesn't affect me. Life is for living, and it's your life, so do whatever you want with it. That said, many pathways will not lead you to happiness, so it is up to you to choose your habits wisely.

Specifically, on the topic of this taboo: I haven't heard any rational arguments in favour of it, and the burden of proof is on the claimant with moral propositions (including taboos). So at least for the moment I have no reason to believe it is justified (the taboo that is).
 
Though I find sexual activity with animals slightly disturbing, I feel for people who have a sexual fetish for it. I mean, it's completely shunned out by society. Though, how is it any different then having a foot fetish, which seems to be more widely accepted? They just enjoy a different sexual preference.

I do think it should be Taboo, but more widely accepted by society, though I doubt it will ever happen.
 
sick, disgusting people these days... this is just another reason i am glad mental hospitals exist. please get help.
 
sick, disgusting people these days... this is just another reason i am glad mental hospitals exist. please get help.

You're the kind of people who make society such shit. You can't accept anything different then what you've been taught your whole life. I feel bad for you.
 
Well, I don't think sex with animals is okay, he does raise a good point about social "taboos" however. Anyone remember the man who practiced sodomy with a horse and died?
 
Some believe that if one fetish is allowed in society, They all should be. I myself believe there is a line where you should just say No.
I think the idea of having sexual relations with an animal seems quite.. Wrong. I think that if animals could speak, I would have a different view on it, but they can't even say if they "Like" it.
My opinion shows that I'd never do such a thing ;)
 
so let me get this straight. you're asking us to be mature, grown up, and intellectual. And you are seriously looking into receiving oral sex from animals? oh the irony.
 
Having sex with an animal I think is more than just a social disapproval.


It can harm the animals..and even if you are not harming an animal then why should it be ok to have sex with another breathing thing against its will? How can someone claim that its "partner" in this sex activity is willing?

I think sex with other species is just so unnatural, especially due to there not being any reproductive possibilities.
 
Having sex with an animal I think is more than just a social disapproval.

It can harm the animals..and even if you are not harming an animal then why should it be ok to have sex with another breathing thing against its will? How can someone claim that its "partner" in this sex activity is willing?

I think sex with other species is just so unnatural, especially due to there not being any reproductive possibilities.

No one said it was against the animal's will.

The impossibility of reproduction makes it immoral? By that logic, elderly women, infertile men, and homosexuals shouldn't have sex.
 
No one said it was against the animal's will.

The impossibility of reproduction makes it immoral? By that logic, elderly women, infertile men, and homosexuals shouldn't have sex.

Elderly Women, Infertile men and Homosexuals can say Yes or No to sex. Can animals?
 
Elderly Women, Infertile men and Homosexuals can say Yes or No to sex. Can animals?

Correct me if I'm wrong but animals tend to shy away from stuff that abuses or goes against what they want. You can't say if the animal could speak it would say no you have no evidence to back that claim up.


@1234567 You think having sex with another species is unnatural you ever thought of shit won't happen unless you experiment you will never know the outcome be it good or bad.
 
@1234567 You think having sex with another species is unnatural you ever thought of shit won't happen unless you experiment you will never know the outcome be it good or bad.

It is unnatural in a sense.

No one said it was against the animal's will.

And nobody said that girl I drugged and slept with last night was against her will, yes?

If the animal cannot consent then it is not consensual sex.
 
And nobody said that girl I drugged and slept with last night was against her will, yes?

If the animal cannot consent then it is not consensual sex.

What signifies consent? Do you have to be able to speak?
 
What signifies consent? Do you have to be able to speak?

No but an animal cannot consent to sex with a human. You see, animals(besides dolphins, and maybe a select VERY few species that isn't typically used for bestiality) do not have sex for pleasure. They have sex for reproduction and that is it. Therefore how can they willingly have sex for non-reproductive reasons?
 
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