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No but an animal cannot consent to sex with a human. You see, animals(besides dolphins, and maybe a select VERY few species that isn't typically used for bestiality) do not have sex for pleasure. They have sex for reproduction and that is it. Therefore how can they willingly have sex for non-reproductive reasons?

The reason that they don't have sex for pleasure is simple. Genetically, they're programmed to have sex when it's time to reproduce, and if they're having sex for pleasure they're wasting valuable energy that should be put toward acquiring food. This doesn't mean that they don't enjoy sex.
 
The reason that they don't have sex for pleasure is simple. Genetically, they're programmed to have sex when it's time to reproduce, and if they're having sex for pleasure they're wasting valuable energy that should be put toward acquiring food. This doesn't mean that they don't enjoy sex.
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That also doesn't mean that it's consensual..and it also doesn't mean that they DO enjoy it. I might be mistaken..

Anyways, only a small small small select few of the human race enjoy sex with animals - it's a perversion as well.

How can an animal enjoy sex with other races?
 
That also doesn't mean that it's consensual..and it also doesn't mean that they DO enjoy it. I might be mistaken..

Anyways, only a small small small select few of the human race enjoy sex with animals - it's a perversion as well.

How can an animal enjoy sex with other races?

You failed to answer my question. What represents consent?
 
# accept: give an affirmative reply to; respond favorably to; "I cannot accept your invitation"; "I go for this resolution"
# permission to do something; "he indicated his consent"

This is something an animal cannot do. Prove me wrong.
 
I don't need to. It's common sense that an animal cannot consent to sex with a human being.

That is not ignorant at all. Explain how an animal can consent to sex with a human being instead of just calling me ignorant because I provided a valid argument.
 
I don't need to. It's common sense that an animal cannot consent to sex with a human being.

Argumentum ad populum

Explain how an animal can consent to sex with a human being instead of just calling me ignorant because I provided a valid argument.

I've already provided an example. If an animal didn't consent, most could cause some serious damage or kill the person involved.
 
I've already provided an example. If an animal didn't consent, most could cause some serious damage or kill the person involved.

That isn't an example. An animal may not fight back but it doesn't mean it's consensual. Also i'm sure there are many cases were someone is hurt from having sex with an animal.

Argumentum ad populum

Whilst true, I believe it is more than a social stigma.
 
That isn't an example. An animal may not fight back but it doesn't mean it's consensual. Also i'm sure there are many cases were someone is hurt from having sex with an animal.

Fight or flight are an animal's reactions when it's disturbed, it won't just allow it to happen.

Whilst true, I believe it is more than a social stigma.

Then what is it?
 
The problem with consent is that it is subjective. You could say just because the animal lets it happen that it is consent, or otherwise you can say that the animal doesn't have the ability to develop enough mentally to be able to give what we consider consent. (Ref: Age of Consent laws)

Edit: Just for an opinion on the matter I'm probably a little more accepting of Bestiality than I am of Homosexuality. However I try to be as open mided as I can be in regards to the fact that I put all sexual preferences, fetishs, and disorders on pretty much the same level whether it be Bestiality, Necrophilism, Pedophilism, or Homosexuality, etc... I would however never intentionally choose to surround myself with any of the aforementioned.
 
Not too sounds like a troll, but wasn't that how Aids officially started (may just be a dumb rumor I heard). Personally I think sex with animals isn't wrong, but it's what the outcomes that follow scares me. Who knows what new disease will spark because of this fetish.
 
Edit: Just for an opinion on the matter I'm probably a little more accepting of Bestiality than I am of Homosexuality. However I try to be as open mided as I can be in regards to the fact that I put all sexual preferences, fetishs, and disorders on pretty much the same level whether it be Bestiality, Necrophilism, Pedophilism, or Homosexuality, etc... I would however never intentionally choose to surround myself with any of the aforementioned.

The problem with that is it is more of a fetish. Homosexuality is something you cannot help, where as beastiality, etc is more of a fetish.

Not too sounds like a troll, but wasn't that how Aids officially started (may just be a dumb rumor I heard). Personally I think sex with animals isn't wrong, but it's what the outcomes that follow scares me. Who knows what new disease will spark because of this fetish.

I have heard that rumor and it is only a theory. Also, they don't theorize that it came from sex, rather it's theorized it came from eating the monkey.


The 'hunter' theory

The most commonly accepted theory is that of the 'hunter'. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on the hunter. Normally the hunter's body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions it adapted itself within its new human host and become HIV-1. The fact that there were several different early strains of HIV, each with a slightly different genetic make-up (the most common of which was HIV-1 group M), would support this theory: every time it passed from a chimpanzee to a man, it would have developed in a slightly different way within his body, and thus produced a slightly different strain.

An article published in The Lancet in 20043, also shows how retroviral transfer from primates to hunters is still occurring even today. In a sample of 1099 individuals in Cameroon , they discovered ten (1%) were infected with SFV (Simian Foamy Virus), an illness which, like SIV, was previously thought only to infect primates. All these infections were believed to have been acquired through the butchering and consumption of monkey and ape meat. Discoveries such as this have led to calls for an outright ban on bushmeat hunting to prevent simian viruses being passed to humans.
 
The problem with that is it is more of a fetish. Homosexuality is something you cannot help, where as beastiality, etc is more of a fetish.

Are you suggesting that people "choose" their fetish and are able to decide what does and doesn't instictively turn them on?
 
No but an animal cannot consent to sex with a human. You see, animals(besides dolphins, and maybe a select VERY few species that isn't typically used for bestiality) do not have sex for pleasure. They have sex for reproduction and that is it. Therefore how can they willingly have sex for non-reproductive reasons?
Why shouldn't they? There is nothing fundamentally different between the reproductive systems of humans, monkeys and other mammals.


The reason that they don't have sex for pleasure is simple. Genetically, they're programmed to have sex when it's time to reproduce, and if they're having sex for pleasure they're wasting valuable energy that should be put toward acquiring food. This doesn't mean that they don't enjoy sex.
Why are you drawing an arbitrary distinction between humans and 'animals'?

The problem with that is it is more of a fetish. Homosexuality is something you cannot help, where as beastiality, etc is more of a fetish.
Where'd you pull that one from? The only similarity between homosexuality and zoophilia is the social stigma which has been applied, neither of these states is a treatable condition.
 
Where'd you pull that one from? The only similarity between homosexuality and zoophilia is the social stigma which has been applied, neither of these states is a treatable condition.

Zoophilia is more considered as a fetish over a sexuality that you are born with. What I meant was, homosexuality IS a sexuality that you are born with.
 
I state what I state, and if you disagree YOU post proof, not me.
 
Alright let me have a go at this.

Zoophilia is a sexual orientation not a Fetish.

It's true because I said it, unless you can prove me wrong. Do it you wont.
 
In questions 301-314, the participants were given various statements for which they were asked to rate
how true was each statement with regard to the reason they were still having sex with animals. The most
common answer to the question “ why do the participants currently have sex with animals?” was “ because I am
sexually attracted to the animal.” Sixty-two men (91%) and all nine women (100%) reported this reason was
“ completely true” or “mostly true” for them. Only three men (4%) reported they were not sexually attracted to
animals. The “ number two reason,” for both men and women, was “ because I want to express love or affection
to the animal.” Fifty men (74%) and six women (67%) reported this reason was “ completely true” or “mostly
true” for them. Only six men (9%) and one woman (11%) reported this was “ not true” for them. Again, these
findings suggest that the majority of participants in the current study have a sexual orientation toward animals.

(Ref: Book: Understanding Zoophilia and Bestiality by Hani Miletski, Ph.D., M.S.W.)

I went through the trouble of finding the book, downloading it and reading a few chapters.
 
Yes, but how does a few people studied indicate that they had a sexuality towards animals?

Zoophilia means you can be sexually attracted to animals, but it is not zoosexuality.
 
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