Gun's Pardon

Gun believes he has paid everything off. Clearly there is some disagreement about the facts in the case. Since the pardon has gone on for so long and since we've instituted all-of-staff voting on pardons, I'm going to let him post his final word on it and send it to voting. The staff can decide what to do with it.

 

[Shin]

Gun believes he has paid everything off. Clearly there is some disagreement about the facts in the case. Since the pardon has gone on for so long and since we've instituted all-of-staff voting on pardons, I'm going to let him post his final word on it and send it to voting. The staff can decide what to do with it.

He still hasn't paid anything to @Pokemoners. This may be due to disagreements regarding the facts, however, as you've stated.

It seems to be the last matter to resolve. If you're fine with it moving forward and sorting through the facts thereafter, I won't be one to stand in the way of your decision.

 

He still hasn't paid anything to @Pokemoners. This may be due to disagreements regarding the facts, however, as you've stated.

It seems to be the last matter to resolve. If you're fine with it moving forward and sorting through the facts thereafter, I won't be one to stand in the way of your decision.

well normally the facts of the pardon are well settled and restitution can be made before the pardon goes to voting

in this case because the facts remain in dispute and have been in dispute for months, the pardon voting will include essentially a voting on what the facts are.

 

[Shin]

well normally the facts of the pardon are well settled and restitution can be made before the pardon goes to voting

in this case because the facts remain in dispute and have been in dispute for months, the pardon voting will include essentially a voting on what the facts are.

Sounds reasonable to me.

 

I brought this upon myself by committing these acts. However, they were buried by memories and were not even attached to me. I brought them forward from a moment of recollection that then put the puzzle back together. I did that.

The DNT process was put in place for people to do exactly what I did. I have repaid a multitude of unrelated scams, repaid the list that was provided to me to repay, and am only waiting on one other individual to contact me.

Don't be misplacing blame here. We are 70 days past the opening of this pardon and I have received a very minimal effort put forth by staff. I have gone through the trenches to get this done with the assistance of the only 2 staff members that would assist. This is the example you need to see what a DNT should do prior to pardoning apparently, yet many have gone through it in a much easier and less lax fashion.

All I'm trying to say is I have accomplished everything that was asked throughough this process without any help in general. Almost all of staff chose to not be involved in one of the only pardons that someone actually WANTS to repay people, make amends and rejoin the community in full.

It's your choice. Make it.

This is Gun's final address. The thread can be sent to voting now @Shin

 

[Shin]

This is Gun's final address. The thread can be sent to voting now @Shin

All right. I'll start off the voting with a "no support".

 

[malakadang]

There are three things to consider:

• The original scam report.
• Dave's findings last month.
• Pokemoner's response last fortnight.

Original Scam Report:

The original scam had Skele and Tgump conclude that there was insufficient evidence for a scam. The only possible reference to a bank pin cracking is presumably Gun messaging Poke his bank pin '9505'? Or something else? Very choppy evidence, and for that reason, is probably why Skele and Tgump said there was no evidence of a scam.
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Dave's findings last month:

Dave said that: "2. 10m is the only thing we have proof of being stolen. Roy would have paid second due to his vouches, and the cracking the pin thing isn't valid, we have no proof. 10m is the cost of those supplies so 10m in Rs3 during June 2010 is $1.5/m".

Presumably, Dave looked at all the evidence and concluded there was no evidence to justify that Gun cracked the pin.
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Pokemoner's response last fortnight:

Pokemoner has a picture that purports to show that 100m was on the account at around the time Gun allegedly cracked it. The picture is a link from this Wealth Log, so is pretty good evidence of what was in the bank at that time.

Pokermoner's alleges, from I can tell, that Gun never 'got it back' [Poke's account]. Logically then, all Gun would have to do is wait 7 days to reset the pin and take the items. That's a possible, but very strange scenario. If Poke was the original owner, and Gun only received the username and password, how could Poke not recover the account immediately? The original scam report shows chats starting at June-30, and the report being filed at July 1. How was Pokemoner's not able to recover his account?

That seems very implausible to me. Even if it is true, it is not evidence that Gun continue to stay on the account and wait the 7 days to reset the pin. It is equally as plausible that Gun just took the items, and absconded, forgetting about the account entirely.
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Accordingly, there seems to be reasonable doubt, and since people are innocent until proven guilty, it would be unjust to require Gun to repay the value in the bank account, as the facts above do not support that he took them. Is there anything I'm missing, or have misinterpreted, or have mistaken?

Should Gun be pardoned?

Yes, I support his pardon. Gun has repaid an extraordinary amount, and although perhaps has not waited in silence, has waited for a considerably long time for this pardon to be processed. If he's a cunt, then he shouldn't have been DNT'd in the first place. Given that he's been DNT'd, the main question should be whether he's a threat to the community/market. Considering he's paid a not insubstantial amount back, it's unlikely that would be the case.

 

[Dave]

Support

 

Supporting guns pardon.

 

Gun acts like a tough guy but in reality he cares a lot about this website. After all the repayments, I think it would only be fair to support his pardon.

 

[Superfluous]

i dont like gun but i support the pardon

 

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Pardon decisions thread

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