graphics vouches

[bigk1121]

well i was thanking an i noticed all the people that put quotes in there graphic marketplace thread. an you know how you cant vouch for graphics how about make a secondary vouch thread called graphic vouches. so that we can see how trusted graphic designers are and to see there reputation.

 

[John]

People can leave recommendations for graphics. I think that is good enough

 

[Dial]

A transaction occurs for graphic services, I don't get why they're not allowed vouches in the first place. Even if there's not much trust, many things on this site that don't involve trust get vouches for (i.e. upgrades, using a MM, etc).

 

[John]

A transaction occurs for graphic services, I don't get why they're not allowed vouches in the first place. Even if there's not much trust, many things on this site that don't involve trust get vouches for (i.e. upgrades, using a MM, etc).

I can understand vouches for graphics if the customer pays first because you are vouching that you trusted the GFX artist with your money and they followed through and made the GFX. But 99.99% of the time the GFX artist makes the GFX first, then the customer pays.

 

[Jack]

Traditionally this has been denied due to people making shit quality graphics for easy vouches.

Traditional argument is that free skilling etc are similar.

I doubt they will allow vouches for graphics.

Maybe they should make a recommendations more official, so members can have a recommendations part of their vouches thread? Idk

 

[MoonGlare]

Traditionally this has been denied due to people making shit quality graphics for easy vouches.

This is why they will most likely remain as 'recommendations.'

 

[Jake]

Traditionally this has been denied due to people making shit quality graphics for easy vouches.

The thing is, someone could just buy 20 cents worth of gold from 100 different sellers, and then sell it back to break even. People have even practically given away small amounts of gold in the past, just for vouches.

I don't see why graphic designers who work hard on orders shouldn't be allowed to get vouches.

 

[Matt]

PLEASE! Graphics = vouches ... We are taking the time to do graphics + we are SELLING them (money)... All things with money and trust should be vouches! Do like : Only paid graphics can get vouches.

 

[bigk1121]

i can see all of your points but like moon said recommendations it will kinda be like that. so people can see how good your service is. like maybe have a sticky or in the vouch thread have a little forum like such:

how good was the graphics:
how was you treated:
how long did it take:
an so on the owner of the thread could chose.

it will kinda represent something like that websight Angies list. i haven't been there but i saw commercials about it.

 

[MRangeM]

i can see all of your points but like moon said recommendations it will kinda be like that. so people can see how good your service is. like maybe have a sticky or in the vouch thread have a little forum like such:

how good was the graphics:
how was you treated:
how long did it take:
an so on the owner of the thread could chose.

it will kinda represent something like that websight Angies list. i haven't been there but i saw commercials about it.

Making it a long form will only discourage the process.

 

[Liight]

As a GFX artist myself I can see why people would like to get vouches for there work. I personally would. You want people to know you make quality work, did it thoroughly and actually gave it to them.

Also from what I've seen most of the time it's usually the person pays first. Occasionally you'll wait and then send them the watermarked art, but I don't know many people who would spend hours working hard to someone you're hoping will pay for it.

I've had plenty of times where people don't respond, never come online again or just say that they found someone else to do it for free or cheaper. Getting that after working for hours is painful honestly, which is why I would usually tell them to pay first.

Anyways back on subject, I think it should be allowed but a lesser value of vouch. Kind of like how doing tiny transactions worth a few cents or dollars have a lesser value. Or how newer members vouches have a lesser value.

 

[Puppet Master]

Hmm not really into graphics myself but how bout this,

Have vouches for graphics but only be allowed to show them in the graphics section. And any breaking of this rule can warrant punishment?

 

[Jack]

Making it a long form will only discourage the process.

i can see all of your points but like moon said recommendations it will kinda be like that. so people can see how good your service is. like maybe have a sticky or in the vouch thread have a little forum like such:

how good was the graphics:
how was you treated:
how long did it take:
an so on the owner of the thread could chose.

it will kinda represent something like that websight Angies list. i haven't been there but i saw commercials about it.

Making any form is pointless as no one reads stickies

 

[sith kid]

Vouches are meant to build up reputation and are not there to be hoarded just for the sake of it. Take my vouches for example, I have only 30 but each vouch is valued at an average of $60. This means that at one point during the trade, I had the opportunity to walk away with an average of $60, which is what I was trusted with. Vouches of this calibre simply cannot be compared to, say 100 vouches from account upgrade sales, where the biggest stake only is a couple of bucks. But that's besides the point and really is just an egocentric way to illustrate a point I feel is too often ignored - with vouches it is quality over quantity, absolutely.

Which brings me to this thread - I fail to see the logic behind forbidding any kind of vouches. It's up to the buyer to read through them and decide what the vouches convey, and deduct how much they can afford to trust the user with. It is simply baseless to restrict vouches to this and that. Any transaction where a degree of trust is required warrants a vouch. Period. Now, by all means, if the graphics artist was paid in advance for a work that he completed, then he should get a vouch, something along the lines of

"Vouch for Mr.Photoshop, I paid him $20 in advance for a piece of GFX and he delivered it on time. It meets my expectations and our agreement, I can definitely recommend him to others!"

Now if the user vouches in ambiguous way, like so:

Vouch for Mr. Photoshop, great stuff!

or

Vouch for Mr. Photoshop, he makes great graphics!

or

Vouch for Mr. Photoshop, can def. recommend!

then it's up to the person reading the vouches to ask himself the following:

• What degree of trust is shown in the vouches?
• Based on the previous question, what amount if money do I feel comfortable trusting this user with?

Now if the last few vouches are enough to justify blocking graphics vouches altogether, then you might as well block the whole feedback system, because there will always be people who abuse the fact that many newcomers are too number dependent and just look for a high number of vouches. But that just shows a lack of trading experience, nothing more and nothing less.

If anybody disagrees, feel free to explain why.

TL;DR If you ban graphics vouches, ban all vouches.

 

[Noam]

http://ww2.sythe.org/denied-suggestions/1361953-graphics-suggestion-2.html

Emperor_Nero gave a strong argument and it was denied along with several other threads. It's a lost cause

 

[bigk1121]

yeah i would like to still have some hope and maybe they will change there mind if the majority of people would be on broad

 

[iNarcotics]

"shit quality graphics for easy vouches" i wouldnt vouch or pay if the did it shit lol

 

[bigk1121]

if they give you shit then on your vouch say that

 

[bigk1121]

and a good example right now im doing graphics for $20 and i told him to do half now and half when im done so now im trusted with $10 right so that should be a vouch. and btw graphics take more time and effort than most other shops on here i thank we should have some type of vouch for it. or insted of a vouch call it graphics recommendations maybe.

 

[millzlevels]

I also believe they should be allowed vouches.
If you go first in a trade you still get vouched 90% of the time; yet the graphics designer who goes first doesnt.