God - does he exist?

[Spereff]

It did. There is quite a bit of evidence to support it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html



Who knows? It may have been antimatter-matter reactions, or something else entirely.

Too long, sir. I'm tired, and can't read so much right now. Maybe take out some key points....and paste them here.

Wow though, but with a Big Bang, there obviously had to be something dwelling before it.

Hmm...and those reactions could create something like our universe today?
Humans, our minds, a conscience, everything

I don't believe that.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Too long, sir. I'm tired, and can't read so much right now. Maybe take out some key points....and paste them here.

Wow though, but with a Big Bang, there obviously had to be something dwelling before it.

Hmm...and those reactions could create something like our universe today?
Humans, our minds, a conscience, everything

I don't believe that.

It's just for your reference. I don't expect you to counter it point by point.

Basically, the two main things are the expansion of the universe, and the microwave background radiation, which was predicted to EXACTLY its current value before its discovery.

It created matter, which, after billions of years, gave rise to our current solar system, Earth, water, then life. You should research the matter.

 

[Spereff]

It's just for your reference. I don't expect you to counter it point by point.

Basically, the two main things are the expansion of the universe, and the microwave background radiation, which was predicted to EXACTLY its current value before its discovery.

It created matter, which, after billions of years, gave rise to our current solar system, Earth, water, then life. You should research the matter.

Wow, everything? Just a reaction like that, could create this kind of universe?
But like I said, if something like that DID happen, then what the hell fueled it?
Nothing cannot really make anything. >.<

 

[Shredderbeam]

Wow, everything? Just a reaction like that, could create this kind of universe?

Clearly.

But like I said, if something like that DID happen, then what the hell fueled it?
Nothing cannot really make anything. >.<

Again, nobody knows.

Right, in our current universe. something cannot come from nothing. Also, however, everything has a beginning. If God did it, where did he come from?

 

[Spereff]

Clearly.



Again, nobody knows.

Right, in our current universe. something cannot come from nothing. Also, however, everything has a beginning. If God did it, where did he come from?

Hah, I seriously do not believe that.

Yes, and I don't think in other universes, something can come from nothing too. IF God 100% really did create it, there would be no real explanation from us. God is superior towards our knowledge and being, there are probably a lot of other things in all the realms of organsms, that we cannot explain. God is superior to us, to our laws of Science, therefore he cannot be proved.

It does make sense, someone with that much power, requires a lot of boundary.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Hah, I seriously do not believe that.

Yes, and I don't think in other universes, something can come from nothing too. IF God 100% really did create it, there would be no real explanation from us. God is superior towards our knowledge and being, there are probably a lot of other things in all the realms of organsms, that we cannot explain. God is superior to us, to our laws of Science, therefore he cannot be proved.

It does make sense, someone with that much power, requires a lot of boundary.

If there is a box, with laws applying to objects inside it, then creating the box does not violate those laws. Something could have come from nothing before the universe and its laws existed.

But where would he come from?

 

[Spereff]

If there is a box, with laws applying to objects inside it, then creating the box does not violate those laws. Something could have come from nothing before the universe and its laws existed.

But where would he come from?

Like I said, God is a much higher power, that we could not know of...If there is someone with more powerful, unexplainable laws, would it be logical that we could explain it?

Hmm, maybe there's an eternity of Gods, creating each other, but we can never know. There hasn't been any proof that God doesn't exist 100%.

At least, I never heard of.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Like I said, God is a much higher power, that we could not know of...If there is someone with more powerful, unexplainable laws, would it be logical that we could explain it?

Hmm, maybe there's an eternity of Gods, creating each other, but we can never know. There hasn't been any proof that God doesn't exist 100%.

At least, I never heard of.

Here, it seems that you just cannot justify your beliefs.

 

[Spereff]

Here, it seems that you just cannot justify your beliefs.

Yes, I know. But I know that he exists, I don't think that we can explain his birth, that's why I have different thoughts about it.

 

[hunter.bb]

I dont belive in god

 

[NeKo]

Hah, I seriously do not believe that.

Yes, and I don't think in other universes, something can come from nothing too. IF God 100% really did create it, there would be no real explanation from us. God is superior towards our knowledge and being, there are probably a lot of other things in all the realms of organsms, that we cannot explain. God is superior to us, to our laws of Science, therefore he cannot be proved.

It does make sense, someone with that much power, requires a lot of boundary.

Okay, let me clear this up to people who ask what was before the Big Bang, first of all, the Big Bang isn't a theory of how the Universe was created, it is a theory of what happened when it was created. There are other theories for how it was created. Secondly, time was created when the Universe was created, meaning, there was nothing before the Universe.

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Originally Posted by Shredderbeam2
Here, it seems that you just cannot justify your beliefs.

Yes, I know. But I know that he exists, I don't think that we can explain his birth, that's why I have different thoughts about it.

Incorrect, there is no proof that he exists, hence you do not know, you believe he exists. Ask a priest and he'll say he believes in God, he doesn't know that he exists.

~NeKo

 

[Shredderbeam]

Yes, I know. But I know that he exists, I don't think that we can explain his birth, that's why I have different thoughts about it.

Do you "know" that he exists, or do you just believe? There is a difference.

 

[Spereff]

Okay, let me clear this up to people who ask what was before the Big Bang, first of all, the Big Bang isn't a theory of how the Universe was created, it is a theory of what happened when it was created. There are other theories for how it was created. Secondly, time was created when the Universe was created, meaning, there was nothing before the Universe.

Incorrect, there is no proof that he exists, hence you do not know, you believe he exists. Ask a priest and he'll say he believes in God, he doesn't know that he exists.

~NeKo

Well then, are you saying there is NOTHING before time? How would ANYTHING be created, if there was nothing behind it? So, the universe had been created, from nothing?

True. I had written it wrong. Well, most likely, people usually who believe in things, know inside their minds that they exist. That's obviously why they believe in them.

 

[dpunk]

Well then, are you saying there is NOTHING before time? How would ANYTHING be created, if there was nothing behind it? So, the universe had been created, from nothing?

According to the Big Bang Theory, time started 10^-22 seconds after the Big Bang or something like that. I think I got the exponent wrong but I can't be bothered to look it up right now . I'm not sure how other theories approach what happened before the beginning of the universe. If you follow the Big Bang theory, we can't know what happened beforehand because all of our constants, laws, etc. break down before that point. I have been reading some things lately that challenge the Big Bang Theory. This one in particular was about the errors of Red Shift. Something about the Doppler Effect and the Compton Effect. Quite interesting.

True. I had written it wrong. Well, most likely, people usually who believe in things, know inside their minds that they exist. That's obviously why they believe in them.

Knowing something would imply having evidence that it is true. I know 2 + 2=4 according to our number system because I can hold up my fingers and demonstrate it to myself.

 

[Spereff]

According to the Big Bang Theory, time started 10^-22 seconds after the Big Bang or something like that. I think I got the exponent wrong but I can't be bothered to look it up right now . I'm not sure how other theories approach what happened before the beginning of the universe. If you follow the Big Bang theory, we can't know what happened beforehand because all of our constants, laws, etc. break down before that point. I have been reading some things lately that challenge the Big Bang Theory. This one in particular was about the errors of Red Shift. Something about the Doppler Effect and the Compton Effect. Quite interesting.

...IF the big bang was true, and that was the beginning, then how was it fueled? I doubt a big bang could've started from nothing. I don't believe that a non-living thing could have started the universe.

Knowing something would imply having evidence that it is true. I know 2 + 2=4 according to our number system because I can hold up my fingers and demonstrate it to myself.

True. I guess I just believe it. Then why do people say they know it, without real evidence or proof?

Shit, dpunk's back.

 

[dpunk]

...IF the big bang was true, and that was the beginning, then how was it fueled? I doubt a big bang could've started from nothing. I don't believe that a non-living thing could have started the universe.

From what I understand you have to get really deep into Quantum Mechanics to even reach a possible answer. According to QM, the heart of it all is a random sea of probability or something along the lines of that. All too confusing if you ask me.

 

[Fro]

Ah yes, the topic of the centuries.It always seems to draw an assortment of self loathing atheist with nothing to live for then to ridicule and mock religion with a passion.

Well, i do believe in a higher power, sure why not I'll call him "God"

I guess I'm a loosely based Christian.

All i know, is that i didn't come from a damn monkey. k bitches?

I'm Christian..however, there are some common believes in the bible(written by rich kings ext) that couldn't be true.

Most people think that Christmas is Jesus birthday.-This however cannot be true. the animals would not be out in the winter time they would freeze to death.

Most people think Jesus is white. Wrong. Jesus hailed from the Egyptian region. Which is in fact in Africa. which would make Jesus...Brown skinned.

Also, God doesn't decide everything we have free will. So i hate hearing that "Its fate" bull shit.

I do believe however that religion is way Misoverstood yes..overstood..these idiots read into it to much. I do believe in sins. I just don't make a cake out of a danish. feel me?

 

[5w33t p00p3r]

Ah yes, the topic of the centuries.It always seems to draw an assortment of self loathing atheist with nothing to live for then to ridicule and mock religion with a passion.

Well, i do believe in a higher power, sure why not I'll call him "God"

I guess I'm a loosely based Christian.

All i know, is that i didn't come from a damn monkey. k bitches?

I'm Christian..however, there are some common believes in the bible(written by rich kings ext) that couldn't be true.

Most people think that Christmas is Jesus birthday.-This however cannot be true. the animals would not be out in the winter time they would freeze to death.

Most people think Jesus is white. Wrong. Jesus hailed from the Egyptian region. Which is in fact in Africa. which would make Jesus...Brown skinned.

Also, God doesn't decide everything we have free will. So i hate hearing that "Its fate" bull shit.

I do believe however that religion is way Misoverstood yes..overstood..these idiots read into it to much. I do believe in sins. I just don't make a cake out of a danish. feel me?

You proved yourself wrong, if he was dark skinned there must be hot winter, making it suitable for animals to come out.

and yes, you did come from a monkey, kay bitch.

 

[Spereff]

Ah yes, the topic of the centuries.It always seems to draw an assortment of self loathing atheist with nothing to live for then to ridicule and mock religion with a passion.

Well, i do believe in a higher power, sure why not I'll call him "God"

I guess I'm a loosely based Christian.

All i know, is that i didn't come from a damn monkey. k bitches?

I'm Christian..however, there are some common believes in the bible(written by rich kings ext) that couldn't be true.

Most people think that Christmas is Jesus birthday.-This however cannot be true. the animals would not be out in the winter time they would freeze to death.

Most people think Jesus is white. Wrong. Jesus hailed from the Egyptian region. Which is in fact in Africa. which would make Jesus...Brown skinned.

Also, God doesn't decide everything we have free will. So i hate hearing that "Its fate" bull shit.

I do believe however that religion is way Misoverstood yes..overstood..these idiots read into it to much. I do believe in sins. I just don't make a cake out of a danish. feel me?

Hmm, same as me. I'm a Christian, but there's a lot of things in Church and in the bible that I strongly disagree with. A lot. Some shit was even like, "God controls you, and to what happens." I don't entirely believe that. I believe that he may steer or control the course of your life, but you have your own choices. Most of things I believe though.


@ 5w33t p00p3r

Any proof that we did, instead of just saying that we did?

 

[5w33t p00p3r]

Well the last part was kind of a joke, and i dont feel like googling the internet, so ill just say a conclusion:

We have over hundreds of reasonings to support that we evolved from a common ancestor of apes, and yet we have no reasoning of us being created from adam and eve. So tell me, which one are you most likely going to believe?

And just a random question, why the fuck do you care if you evovled from apes?! I see no insults in it.
(the last question is from the people who get offended by it)