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I assume you're referring to when Jesus (who at that time had already ascended into heaven) visited Paul?
Well, buddy, the Catholic Church didn't even exist at the time that event was recorded.
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Well, buddy, the Catholic Church didn't even exist at the time that event was recorded.
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Our reality? We don't make up our reality, Reality is a constant, you just have a dysfunctional view of it.
Scientology has nothing to do with science, other then the word sounds similar.
Scientology has nothing to do with science, other then the word sounds similar.
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Okay ou chose in to believe in science, so you make up your own reality.......
FOR ALL YOU DUMB ASSES THERE SAYING I BELIEVE IN GHOSTS OR ECT.
I'M JUST SAYING SCIENCE HAS BECOME LIKE A RELIGION...
ALSO ATHEISTS ARE TRYING TO CONVERT PEOPLE TO SCIENCE. SO THEY ARE MISSIONARIES....
Incorrect. Reality is a constant. Perception of reality is what your mind makes it.
None of us have said you believe in ghosts and whatnot. I'm sure if you said you did, the posts in this thread would actually contain something about supernatural entities such as ghosts.
How has science become like a religion? Science is the reason you can live so comfortably. I think you don't realize just how much science helps YOU out. Science is the reason your computer exists. Science is the reason your car moves. Science is the reason planes fly. Science is the reason you have a goddamned lightbulb in your ceiling, or a cell-phone in your pocket. If you dismiss science, dismiss all of these benefits first.
I'm not trying to "convert" people. I'm trying to ask people why they believe in a God, to make sure that they know just why they believe. Commonly, theists don't know why, and that is when the beginnings of Atheism or Agnosticism take hold. I'm open to proof of a God which may change my non-belief in to a belief, but I know within reasonable doubt that there is no empirical evidence to provide.
Please, your use of capitalization annoys me. If you want people to take you somewhat seriously, speak like a civilized person.
Firstly, might I say "Never enter a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent."
That being said, I'm going to directly correct you and tell you you're an idiot afterwards.
Science is not a belief, it is an understanding.
Religion is a belief, and a faith, not an understanding.
To define those terms:
Understanding:
Faith:
That being said, to have an understanding of something is the opposite of faith. It is a logical, rational, conclusive fact in which you do not BELIEVE it to be correct, but you KNOW it to be correct.
No one can say they KNOW God is correct, but they can say they believe in God, or they have faith in God and in the church, etc. It is possible to also say that you believe in science, however, this takes on a different meaning when understanding facts and belief intertwine. The new meaning would be that you trust in the laws of which you live by.
Now I'll call you an idiot, and also tell you to get a fucking education, or something. All you have done is repeat yourself, and no actual defending of your opinion. You've attempted to start a debate in which you know nothing about, and you attacked a group of people without even UNDERSTANDING what you were talking about.
I bet you couldn't even describe atheism without using Google.
Furthermore, to correct some of the atheists on this thread (because not everyone is right)...
Firstly, when you die, you don't just die and poof you're gone. Newton's Law of Energy contains a line which says "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, merely lost or transferred." Therefore, when you "die" your energy (brain waves, electrical impulses, etc) does not cease to exist, that is unlawful and cannot happen based on PROVEN FACT.
I am not going to be so illogical to say that it just goes to a magical place ran by a fucked up zombie, but I am going to tell you that the energy the runs your entire system, and the electrical current which keeps you alive does not simply stop. It is lost/transferred, so it IS somewhere, for it can't be nowhere.
Furthermore, to you, Classical, I understand what you are saying, and I am telling you that you are wrong. I do not have an opinion that you are wrong, and that I am right, I am telling you that based on the 3rd dimension in which you live, which we have all come to call reality, you are incorrect.
You exist in a 3rd dimension (as far as science can prove *name*), and therefore your reality is the same as everyone else's.
However, reality is also how you perceive it. The state of which you exist will not change, but how you see that of which you exist within can be altered at any time. This is called quantum physics, and is very real, and logical.
Also, scientists and atheists do not simply say "This seems to be real, so lets make it a law." No, what happens is a hypothesis is formed in several scientific journals, controlled experiments are performed to test the hypothesis, if the hypothesis passes every test (100%) (Complete) (Absolute opposite of 0% and failure) then it may pass into a theory after several other scientists perform the same tests and receive (100%) (Complete) (Absolute opposite of 0% and failure) the same results. After a theory has been accepted and proven throughout the universe, it becomes a law.
So, why is gravity not a law? Because of a little thing called dark matter, and blackholes. Scientists can only experiment so far, so the fact that gravity is NOT considered a law disproves your entire hypothesis that science is in fact a religion. They cannot prove that gravity is DEFINITELY gravity and that it is omniscient, therefore it is still the theory of gravity.
Now, stfu and gtfo noob.
That being said, I'm going to directly correct you and tell you you're an idiot afterwards.
Science is not a belief, it is an understanding.
Religion is a belief, and a faith, not an understanding.
To define those terms:
Understanding:
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1. The quality or condition of one who understands; comprehension.
2. The faculty by which one understands; intelligence. See synonyms at reason.
3. Individual or specified judgment or outlook; opinion.
4.
1. A compact implicit between two or more people or groups.
2. The matter implicit in such a compact.
5. A reconciliation of differences; a state of agreement: They finally reached an understanding.
6. A disposition to appreciate or share the feelings and thoughts of others; sympathy.Faith:
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1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.That being said, to have an understanding of something is the opposite of faith. It is a logical, rational, conclusive fact in which you do not BELIEVE it to be correct, but you KNOW it to be correct.
No one can say they KNOW God is correct, but they can say they believe in God, or they have faith in God and in the church, etc. It is possible to also say that you believe in science, however, this takes on a different meaning when understanding facts and belief intertwine. The new meaning would be that you trust in the laws of which you live by.
Now I'll call you an idiot, and also tell you to get a fucking education, or something. All you have done is repeat yourself, and no actual defending of your opinion. You've attempted to start a debate in which you know nothing about, and you attacked a group of people without even UNDERSTANDING what you were talking about.
I bet you couldn't even describe atheism without using Google.
Furthermore, to correct some of the atheists on this thread (because not everyone is right)...
Firstly, when you die, you don't just die and poof you're gone. Newton's Law of Energy contains a line which says "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, merely lost or transferred." Therefore, when you "die" your energy (brain waves, electrical impulses, etc) does not cease to exist, that is unlawful and cannot happen based on PROVEN FACT.
I am not going to be so illogical to say that it just goes to a magical place ran by a fucked up zombie, but I am going to tell you that the energy the runs your entire system, and the electrical current which keeps you alive does not simply stop. It is lost/transferred, so it IS somewhere, for it can't be nowhere.
Furthermore, to you, Classical, I understand what you are saying, and I am telling you that you are wrong. I do not have an opinion that you are wrong, and that I am right, I am telling you that based on the 3rd dimension in which you live, which we have all come to call reality, you are incorrect.
You exist in a 3rd dimension (as far as science can prove *name*), and therefore your reality is the same as everyone else's.
However, reality is also how you perceive it. The state of which you exist will not change, but how you see that of which you exist within can be altered at any time. This is called quantum physics, and is very real, and logical.
Also, scientists and atheists do not simply say "This seems to be real, so lets make it a law." No, what happens is a hypothesis is formed in several scientific journals, controlled experiments are performed to test the hypothesis, if the hypothesis passes every test (100%) (Complete) (Absolute opposite of 0% and failure) then it may pass into a theory after several other scientists perform the same tests and receive (100%) (Complete) (Absolute opposite of 0% and failure) the same results. After a theory has been accepted and proven throughout the universe, it becomes a law.
So, why is gravity not a law? Because of a little thing called dark matter, and blackholes. Scientists can only experiment so far, so the fact that gravity is NOT considered a law disproves your entire hypothesis that science is in fact a religion. They cannot prove that gravity is DEFINITELY gravity and that it is omniscient, therefore it is still the theory of gravity.
Now, stfu and gtfo noob.
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No reason to say stfu r gtfo bitch. Anyways I can see how you might be right in your "scientific way". Just because it makes sence to some people doesn't mean its true.
Also I'm not saying science is TOTALLY FALSE. I'm just saying people use it to discount other religions and that's what I hate.
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No they don't, stop making false accusations.
People simply present logical evidence which JUST so happens to discount several religious hypothesis. Not to mention, you said "For all you Atheists* out there.....", which is stereotyping them all in a claim that they all are scientific geeks.
I could say they same about anyone who believes in God, shoving their illogical poison into the minds of people, at least when science is involved people learn something, with religion all you get is a bunch of fools.
Since when is science a religion? Science IS based on facts.
It is not a religion... something isn't part of science unless it is a fact. So there for it is not a religion... and I like the fact that you actually gtfo'd... makes me happy to see your dumb ass gone...
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Science is based upon reality. It does not create its own reality. Do you value a rain dance just as much as surgery when you suffer from cancer? Do you think that if you believe otherwise, you will not die upon blowing out your brains?
Go away, relativist.
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Woah, love that one!
That is so going in to my signature!
To bad non of them actually said it in this thread.
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I hope that wasn't sarcasm
I say it. I say it to piss people off because you aren't supposed to "use gods (lowercase btw. it isn't a noun.)name in vein" or whatever.
classical, science simply is not a religion. It's not even meant to be a religion. It's got nothing to do with the realm of theism. You seem to be misunderstanding the meaning of the very word.
Science (n):
systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
Now, science is an array of accepted truths that are based on empirical evidence derived from numerous tests. Religion is a person's perception of the world, not through any empirical proof, like science, and it is designed to guide people and give them a sense of morals through blatant belief. No religious story can be proven empirically to be true, but they are accepted because they shed a new light on life for many people.
But what you are saying is ridiculous. You are saying that science was invented and is solely used for disproving religion. Science is a way of understanding how things work in the universe through systematic research and use of accepted and tested facts. Science HELPS people. There would be no science if it didn't. Science provokes innovation that helps improve our society. Scientists were the ones who manufactured penicillin, theists (religious folk) were the ones who (consistently inconsequentially) prayed to live through their sickness.
Now, which group do you think benefits society more?
Science (n):
systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
Now, science is an array of accepted truths that are based on empirical evidence derived from numerous tests. Religion is a person's perception of the world, not through any empirical proof, like science, and it is designed to guide people and give them a sense of morals through blatant belief. No religious story can be proven empirically to be true, but they are accepted because they shed a new light on life for many people.
But what you are saying is ridiculous. You are saying that science was invented and is solely used for disproving religion. Science is a way of understanding how things work in the universe through systematic research and use of accepted and tested facts. Science HELPS people. There would be no science if it didn't. Science provokes innovation that helps improve our society. Scientists were the ones who manufactured penicillin, theists (religious folk) were the ones who (consistently inconsequentially) prayed to live through their sickness.
Now, which group do you think benefits society more?
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that made no since your mind as no activity when your dead because all your cells are gone.
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