Fat Acceptance

[Felix]

What do you think about the fat acceptance movement and why?

Edit:
If you don't know, the fat acceptance movement is supposed to be a call to love your body no matter what, and to be confident in yourself despite your size.

However, the main issue most people (including myself) have, is that beauty should keep its standards. In my eyes, anything that damages your body (obesity, diabetes, heart problems) is not beautiful in any sense. Yes, you should be confident in yourself, but problems aren't solved by embracing them.

Thoughts?

 

[Sun]

Not all people who are fat are obese or have medical problems if we're talking about BMI considerations.

I think glamorizing these things and using the fat acceptance movement as an excuse is bad, however, even if someone is obese, what's wrong with them being confident? There's plenty of reasons why someone's progress towards not being obese is seemingly not making any progress at all aside from just not trying. Why feel bad in the meantime? You'd be amazed how hard it can be for some people to lose weight regardless of what they do.

Not to mention when obese or even overweight people head to the gym, they're embarrassed. They don't even know the first place to start. And eating healthy and/or on a calorie-based diet isn't always an affordable option in comparison to other things that aren't as good for you.

As for those who just don't want to & don't try: that's a personal choice but speaking on the side of a fat acceptance movement for self-love and acceptance for all outward appearances isn't the right thing to do. Not when they're just using it as an excuse.

Tbh didn't even know this was a thing, you'd think people would just not be assholes lol. #society

 

[Felix]

I think glamorizing these things and using the fat acceptance movement as an excuse is bad, however, even if someone is obese, what's wrong with them being confident? There's plenty of reasons why someone's progress towards not being obese is seemingly not making any progress at all aside from just not trying.

The problem doesn't lie in their confidence as an individual per se, it lies in their confidence and love of their obesity. The main objective of the fat acceptance movement is just that: instead of solving the obesity problem, just embrace it. This is the biggest issue I have with this movement.

Tbh didn't even know this was a thing, you'd think people would just not be assholes lol. #society

Sometimes it's necessary to be an asshole imo, whatever it takes to fix the issue

 

Imo this is just some propaganda for people to feel better about themselves and have excuses to be fat. Being fat is not a good thing, and it's definitely not beautiful. The main reason is that you control it yourself, no one else is forcing you to eat. In comparison with something like [insert color here] lives matter, those people get born that way and it's something they can't control, so obviously they should be accepted just like anyone else. Fat people can actually control their body, and that's why I think Fat Acceptance is ridiculous. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind people that are somewhat chubby but people that start having health issues simply because they're fat and then calling themselves beautiful.. That's just unacceptable in my opinion.

 

[malakadang]

The movement is poison. It attempts to normalize and exonerate complacency, lack of care, and laziness. Although one of the common arguments is that it is hard to start when being fat, and so fat shaming can prevent people from even starting: (1) life was never meant to be easy; and more importantly (2) people often take the path of least resistance. If it's so difficult to wade through the fat shaming, the option of fat acceptance seems quite attractive, does it not? (for the record it's also difficult to start going to the gym when you're extremely skinny)

Additionally, the trend towards peoples nonchalance regarding ones personal grooming, image, weight, affects male-female relationships. It's no surprise that men are more visual than female, and although in jest it can be said now there's more to see, being fat is not particularly attractive (you tend to love someone notwithstanding their weight, not because of it). Birth rates are going down, and no man is keen to impregnate a woman who already looks impregnated. These movements have serious unintended consequences, and I haven't even began talking about the health considerations.

The overarching problem however isn't the fat acceptance movement, but political correctness. You can't call people out on this. So the movement of trying to accept that people are different is all good and well, the problem is that no defence can be levied against it. You often find that the most successful people also manage to incorporate a fitness regimen in their life (often in the early hours of the morning). You also find, as a consequence, they also are vigilant of what they eat. If you can't look after or control yourself, what does that say about your ability to look after or control others?

To also touch on the beauty point, it's pretty telling that although fat people may stand to benefit due to the movements success, the cost is the rest of society, including fat people. Kind of a pyrrhic victory and crab-in-the-bucket mentality if you ask me.

 

[Shredderbeam]

What do you think about the fat acceptance movement and why?

Edit:
If you don't know, the fat acceptance movement is supposed to be a call to love your body no matter what, and to be confident in yourself despite your size.

However, the main issue most people (including myself) have, is that beauty should keep its standards. In my eyes, anything that damages your body (obesity, diabetes, heart problems) is not beautiful in any sense. Yes, you should be confident in yourself, but problems aren't solved by embracing them.

Thoughts?

I'm friends with a few extremely fat people who are involved in the fat acceptance movement. I'm fairly skinny myself, but I've had a few opportunities to talk with them about the movement and its goals.

Essentially, there's a huge misconception that the movement is trying to say "hey, it's totally okay to be fat, you're perfectly healthy and super beautiful". But, what the movement is ACTUALLY trying to say, is "hey, we know we're fat, please stop shitting all over us all the time". It's hard for a skinny person to realize, but fat people are CONSTANTLY bombarded with shitty remarks, strangers trying to offer unwanted medical advice (ex: waiter telling them "oh that burger has a lot of fat, maybe the salad instead?), catcalls from people driving by, and just generally negative attention from society.

In short, they know they're fat, they know that there are negative medical consequences for being fat, they just want people to mind their own business.

 

[Felix]

In short, they know they're fat, they know that there are negative medical consequences for being fat, they just want people to mind their own business.

That's not the case with this movement. The movement in itself is "fat acceptance" "fat power", not "hey we're fat, so mind your own business." They glamorize obesity.

Essentially, there's a huge misconception that the movement is trying to say "hey, it's totally okay to be fat, you're perfectly healthy and super beautiful". But, what the movement is ACTUALLY trying to say, is "hey, we know we're fat, please stop shitting all over us all the time". It's hard for a skinny person to realize, but fat people are CONSTANTLY bombarded with shitty remarks, strangers trying to offer unwanted medical advice (ex: waiter telling them "oh that burger has a lot of fat, maybe the salad instead?), catcalls from people driving by, and just generally negative attention from society..

No, it's not. The purpose of the movement is to accept obesity as something that isn't as damaging as people think, and as something that is beautiful. It's not beautiful. Anything that is self destructive is not beautiful.

I recently overcame obesity, going from 280lbs to 220 in the span of around 2 months, with very strict dieting along with cardio. I was obese pretty much my entire life, and it wasn't until the ridicule from my brothers as well as close friends that I wanted to lose weight. In the end, all that ridicule was for my own good, and frankly it changed my life for the better. But hey, it's not my place to say what people should and shouldn't do with their lives, but it is my place to say that obesity is not beautiful in any way.

 

[Shredderbeam]

That's not the case with this movement. The movement in itself is "fat acceptance" "fat power", not "hey we're fat, so mind your own business." They glamorize obesity.

To be fair, "hey we're fat, so mind your own business" isn't as punchy as "fat acceptance". In my experience, fat acceptance really just means accepting them as part of society instead of demonizing them, whether as part of jokes, punchlines, etc. However, the fat acceptance movement doesn't have any centralized structure, so there's no "one true" agenda to the movement, so to your point, I'm sure there are some fat activists out there who assert that obesity has no negative side effects. I can only speak from my experience in the Boston area, but the ones I'm friendly with (who are prominent members of the community) don't espouse that view.

No, it's not. The purpose of the movement is to accept obesity as something that isn't as damaging as people think, and as something that is beautiful. It's not beautiful. Anything that is self destructive is not beautiful.

Personally, I don't find obesity to be beautiful at all. Beauty is subjective, however, as a few hundred years ago, fat women were considered beautiful (probably because fat indicated wealth, since they wouldn't have to work).

I recently overcame obesity, going from 280lbs to 220 in the span of around 2 months, with very strict dieting along with cardio. I was obese pretty much my entire life, and it wasn't until the ridicule from my brothers as well as close friends that I wanted to lose weight. In the end, all that ridicule was for my own good, and frankly it changed my life for the better. But hey, it's not my place to say what people should and shouldn't do with their lives, but it is my place to say that obesity is not beautiful in any way.

Congratulations on losing the weight! I'm glad the ridicule worked for you, but it may not work for others. Public ostracization can lead to negative mental side effects such as depression, which can even worsen their (probable) eating problem.

 

[OrangeCounty]

What do you think about the fat acceptance movement and why?

Edit:
If you don't know, the fat acceptance movement is supposed to be a call to love your body no matter what, and to be confident in yourself despite your size.

However, the main issue most people (including myself) have, is that beauty should keep its standards. In my eyes, anything that damages your body (obesity, diabetes, heart problems) is not beautiful in any sense. Yes, you should be confident in yourself, but problems aren't solved by embracing them.

Thoughts?

I'm gunna have to agree on this one. You can't just say "I'm tired of feeling bad about myself- other people should have to think I'm beautiful the way I am"

 

[Felix]

Fat acceptance is bullshit and unhealthy.

Not really SFA worthy, but yeah I agree.

The issue with it is that it's not just unhealthy physically, but also mentally. It creates this body image disorder in which the person perceives destruction as beauty. It disgusts me.

 

[Felix]

if i may ask what kind off diet were you on and what kind off cardio excercises did you do

I only ate vegetables, and occasionally ate meat once or twice a week. I ran 3-5 miles per day, everyday. It took me about 2 months to lose 60 pounds so it was very, very fast weight loss.

The form of cardio you do just depends on your goals and how heavy you are, if you're obese you should probably run and if you're slightly overweight just walk at an incline etc

 

[Niini]

If you don't know, the fat acceptance movement is supposed to be a call to love your body no matter what, and to be confident in yourself despite your size.

However, the main issue most people (including myself) have, is that beauty should keep its standards.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. You can love your body and accept that you don't conform to traditional standards of beauty.

 

[tMoon]

There is a difference between fat/overweight and if one is consistently and negatively effecting your health. If there was a huge societal concern over individuals conforming to habits that damaged them, there would be a much larger focus on alcohol consumption, reckless/texting & driving, smoking, lead in water, and the list goes on. I do not mention these out of ignorance. I am aware there has been public attention on all of the aforementioned issues, but they are still very much present in everyday society. You can be slightly overweight and still be healthy. That is medical, you do not need to fit into a very skinny persona in order to be in alright shape and due to different body types, there will continue to be discrepancies between how people perceive someone else's body type (i.e. healthy) and there actual shape.

Anyway, I am not a proponent of glorifying obesity or other negative behavior; however, I support the idea of always being comfortable in your own skin. You can be self confident and know you need to lose weight.

So basically, I support the concept of Fat Acceptance when it relates to self-confidence; however, I do not support its message of "obesity is ok." If your health is being negatively effected, you should get it together and while you are getting it together, you should still love your body. Self-esteem is a very important thing and lacking it would likely make losing the weight even harder.

 

[Tanged]

what is there to accept?
i dont understand the movement
Do they want me to start dating fat people?
It just doesnt look good to me.
Idc about their health.
you got hot woman dieing of cancer and etc
they still look good even with me knowning they have a physical condition
Also some fat girls look fine and have pretty face; i still just dont like the body
next thing you know short acceptance and tall acceptance and hairy acceptance
Poeple like what they want;
Rake skinny people have health issues to
Clinical obese people have health issues
bmi between 9- 25 is w.e maybe more give or take is fine for both.
Unless a guy or girl is fit no one is looking at them and saying " oh so healthy looking"
Also skinny is usually just easier to work with ingeneral less to carry and easier to make bigger from small then big to small.


Before anyone gets deep on me ...
No one will date someone they find physically/sexually unappealing unless they are blind in which case they cant see the partner so its w.e. So looks do matter 99% ( before you say I am saying the only thing that matters is looks I am saying in 99% of cases looks matter above personality initialy ) anyone who says people should date only for whats on the inside is retarded ( if you say looks dont matter at all). Decent person :looks amazing > super nice : but as stimulating physically as a bag of rocks

*** people may differ I am sure their some guy out their who is really into repulsive woman and the more vile to him the better.
*** you can find someone not super goodlooking and thier personality can grown on you but still they would have to meet a bear minimum physical level before you consider dating.
*** attraction is relevant so two ugly fucks might find eachother 10/10 when everyone think they are 1/10 but to them they still find eachother attractive

hate typing online because you have to add super context to everything because everyones just hunting to misquote you and skir what you have to say.

 

[kmjt]

Normalizing obesity is not good. Sure there are some people that have medical conditions and can't help it in which case they should be happy, but the majority of people are just lazy and unhealthy and want an excuse to continue that lifestyle. Telling people to be happy the way they are will just make obese people less likely to work out and be healthy.

 

[Shredderbeam]

what is there to accept?
i dont understand the movement
Do they want me to start dating fat people?
It just doesnt look good to me.
Idc about their health.
you got hot woman dieing of cancer and etc
they still look good even with me knowning they have a physical condition
Also some fat girls look fine and have pretty face; i still just dont like the body
next thing you know short acceptance and tall acceptance and hairy acceptance
Poeple like what they want;
Rake skinny people have health issues to
Clinical obese people have health issues
bmi between 9- 25 is w.e maybe more give or take is fine for both.
Unless a guy or girl is fit no one is looking at them and saying " oh so healthy looking"
Also skinny is usually just easier to work with ingeneral less to carry and easier to make bigger from small then big to small.

Every overweight person I have ever met has only wanted one thing: Stop shitting all over them in public. Stop treating them as subhuman degenerates. Treat them as fellow human beings, which they are.

Before anyone gets deep on me ...
No one will date someone they find physically/sexually unappealing unless they are blind in which case they cant see the partner so its w.e. So looks do matter 99% ( before you say I am saying the only thing that matters is looks I am saying in 99% of cases looks matter above personality initialy ) anyone who says people should date only for whats on the inside is retarded ( if you say looks dont matter at all). Decent person :looks amazing > super nice : but as stimulating physically as a bag of rocks

*** people may differ I am sure their some guy out their who is really into repulsive woman and the more vile to him the better.
*** you can find someone not super goodlooking and thier personality can grown on you but still they would have to meet a bear minimum physical level before you consider dating.
*** attraction is relevant so two ugly fucks might find eachother 10/10 when everyone think they are 1/10 but to them they still find eachother attractive

hate typing online because you have to add super context to everything because everyones just hunting to misquote you and skir what you have to say.

I completely agree! Nobody should date anybody that they're not attracted to. I've never found an organization that argues otherwise.

Normalizing obesity is not good. Sure there are some people that have medical conditions and can't help it in which case they should be happy, but the majority of people are just lazy and unhealthy and want an excuse to continue that lifestyle. Telling people to be happy the way they are will just make obese people less likely to work out and be healthy.

...But why do you care? Aren't they responsible for their lives and health? If you don't mock them daily, what effect do they have on you?[/QUOTE]

 

[0120012345]

It's a pathetic movement. One that is monumentally frowned upon, all because they are fighting for the wrong idea. Fat people are self-absorbed and cost countries a fortune in healthcare.

We are talking about the IDEA, not the people involved. I understand these fatfucks wanting to be treated as NORMAL human beings. I would limit those to ethics and manner. That's all.

Most of these delusional landwhales want to BEND the norm. But when you're obese, you have dropped the "normal" privilege after the 3 digit kg figure.

Every overweight person I have ever met has only wanted one thing: Stop shitting all over them in public. Stop treating them as subhuman degenerates. Treat them as fellow human beings, which they are.

They ARE subhuman degenerates. Why do I have to sugarcoat their inability to have self-discipline? You literally just eat less. What's so hard about that? Fat people on public transportation (trains, buses, and such) occupy more than one space. They are a burden to society, so they must be treated no more than what they make of themselves.

For the record, I would never disrespect any person regardless of weight or any physical characteristic. It's basic etiquette, of course.

 

[Shredderbeam]

It's a pathetic movement. One that is monumentally frowned upon, all because they are fighting for the wrong idea. Fat people are self-absorbed and cost countries a fortune in healthcare.

We are talking about the IDEA, not the people involved. I understand these fatfucks wanting to be treated as NORMAL human beings. I would limit those to ethics and manner. That's all.

Most of these delusional landwhales want to BEND the norm. But when you're obese, you have dropped the "normal" privilege after the 3 digit kg figure.

They ARE subhuman degenerates. Why do I have to sugarcoat their inability to have self-discipline? You literally just eat less. What's so hard about that? Fat people on public transportation (trains, buses, and such) occupy more than one space. They are a burden to society, so they must be treated no more than what they make of themselves.

...Why are you so concerned about the weight of other people, and why do you think that members of your own species are somehow "subhuman"?

 

[0120012345]

No, why are you NOT concerned about their weight? Don't give me that "my body, my choice" crap either. Look at the horrifying healthcare costs obese people create.

ref:
The Healthcare Costs of Obesity: The State of Obesity

Obese people with children may affect their children's health with more obesity

ref:
Obese parents increase kids' risk of being overweight

Meanwhile, here are the fat activists you support. They do NOT represent the entire movement, but they do have great influence.

link:

Fat acceptance is stupid. I reject their movement. I reject the idea of morbidly obese people ever being considered as "normal people"

 

[kmjt]

...But why do you care? Aren't they responsible for their lives and health? If you don't mock them daily, what effect do they have on you?

I care because I don't want my kids to grow up thinking it is ok to let themselves go. When being obese is normalized, my kids will have less incentive to live a healthy lifestyle.