Evolution or creation: how did human beings come about?

[blazinfasstt]

why are we even arguing this subject

evolution has science behind it
it has experiments and empirical studies.

creationism has the church

 

[MohtasaUnique]

why are we even arguing this subject

evolution has science behind it
it has experiments and empirical studies.

creationism has the church

Because for a lot of people, "the church" and the holy books, and their common age old beliefs are enough, and it allows them to see the supernatural behind what everyone else is trying to rationalize with abstract numbers and speculations.

If people weren't so closed-minded to their opposing beliefs, things like this could spark very interesting debate.

 

[Divine_God]

This is a very bigoted statement... You do realize that you've just called about 5 billion people unrealistic and delusional, yes? I can list several religious figures who are also extremely down to earth, several being highly inspirational leaders.

So you're stating that 5 billion humans aren't unrealistic and delusional?

I for one, have been that way many times in my life. The ability to imagine makes humans this way.

Don't take offense to the fact that humans with religion are delusional. Praying to someone through your mind, by all means, makes you delusional to an extent.

 

[MohtasaUnique]

So you're stating that 5 billion humans aren't unrealistic and delusional?

I for one, have been that way many times in my life. The ability to imagine makes humans this way.

Don't take offense to the fact that humans with religion are delusional. Praying to someone through your mind, by all means, makes you delusional to an extent.

I take no offense, I'm atheist.. but neither do I agree with such an extreme generalization, especially when a good number of those 5 billion I estimated are involved in a religion that doesn't have prayer as a stipulation to staying holy.

The people who believe in religion have minds that are ill-suited to facing reality.

This is more extreme than saying the 5 billion religious people of the world are slightly delusional at times. This is a very insulting comment to many of those people.

 

[Terrankiller]

I take no offense, I'm atheist.. but neither do I agree with such an extreme generalization, especially when a good number of those 5 billion I estimated are involved in a religion that doesn't have prayer as a stipulation to staying holy.

This is more extreme than saying the 5 billion religious people of the world are slightly delusional at times. This is a very insulting comment to many of those people.

Everyone I have mostly encountered is a dumb ass. I do not think 5 billion is far fetched at all.

Edit:

I would use this forum as an example. Five out of six members I would consider stupid.

 

[Herman Li]

Creationism shouldn't even be a word. It's trying to make religion as a argument to science on the same level. Fuck that.

Evolution, obviously

 

[Divine_God]

Everyone I have mostly encountered is a dumb ass. I do not think 5 billion is far fetched at all.

Edit:

I would use this forum as an example. Five out of six members I would consider stupid.

Honestly, I agree with you.

The amount of dumb asses I encounter at my university astounds me..

 

[Denode]

Why was this thread even created?

It's just going to be (and has turned out to be) a series of redundant arguments.

 

[<3☻]

^Agreed,
But Evolution, not Creationism,
But that doesn't mean there isn't a god o.o

 

[QuasiNoob]

I believe this is allowed.
What do you believe in? Evolution or Creation.
Post here with some backup, and prepare to debate.

I firmly believe in evolution - and I'm a strong Christian too. The evidence simply supports it. Fossils, the variety of species, the need for adaption at key points, it just all adds up to evolution for me.

A different, but IMO more significant question, is the mechanism behind evolution, which I'm sort of agnostic on, whether it's something supernatural or Darwinian or a natural, albeit non-Darwinian, mechanism.

 

[Herman Li]

I firmly believe in evolution - and I'm a strong Christian too. The evidence simply supports it. Fossils, the variety of species, the need for adaption at key points, it just all adds up to evolution for me.

A different, but IMO more significant question, is the mechanism behind evolution, which I'm sort of agnostic on, whether it's something supernatural or Darwinian or a natural, albeit non-Darwinian, mechanism.

That's something that always mindfucks me. What makes it so things follow a pattern of evolving? That question can be linked to literally anything though.

 

[Terrankiller]

Albert Einstein:

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

- Albert Einstein

 

[Magics]

Evolution based on the evidence that supports it is the only logical choice.

 

[So.Cal Life]

I learned quite a few things taking the AP Biology course and eventually got a 5 on the exam, (which if you know anything about how these exam's work), is pretty god damned hard. Basically, the fossil record is only EXTRA evidence of grandpa Darwin's basic idea. We can see in the embryonic stage, exactly how much we look like say; a fish (not too much, but slightly similar in appearance at earliest stages of development), to say a chimp, (looks exactly the f**k like us).

 

[So.Cal Life]

So basically, whatever is the source of the energy that take's the form of sentience, (aka human beings), seems to in it's own nature just sort of 'come about'. There are certain rules and laws at work in the universe, this is where our study of 'Physics' comes from, especially when applied to the Vacuum setting (astrophysics and all relating fields). We do not understand all of these laws, but so far we have used deductive reasoning to trace how it all happened. The fossil record, embryonic sciences, and LOGIC tell us that we emerged as the natural process of evolution took place on this blue rock we call Earth.

 

[Ortho]

I don't see how anyone can claim that evolution doesn't exist. You can see it all around us, it has been proven with countless experiments. It has been shown through fossils.

 

[Dr Lauftstein]

While I was raised in a Christian home my whole life, I am somewhat biased. However, to think that the world and all we know happened by chance seems a bit ridiculous to me. I know a lot of you are saying, "Oh, more ridiculous than a 'God' creating everything from nothing? That makes tons more sense". I can see why you would say that, but I stand by my belief. It's too perfect for it to be an accident. Someone, or something, had to orchestrate it.

 

[Jimmy]

While I was raised in a Christian home my whole life, I am somewhat biased. However, to think that the world and all we know happened by chance seems a bit ridiculous to me. I know a lot of you are saying, "Oh, more ridiculous than a 'God' creating everything from nothing? That makes tons more sense". I can see why you would say that, but I stand by my belief. It's too perfect for it to be an accident. Someone, or something, had to orchestrate it.

By chance? An accident? Evolution is the very antithesis of these ideas; it is a gradual, nonrandom process by which complexity is able to arise. This can be sharply contrasted to the Hebrew mythology, in which man is created from dust and given life through Yahweh's breath.

 

[Dr Lauftstein]

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible2.htm

Cherry picking the one that stood out the most to me:





I don't agree with some of the things on this website because it does seem that he is nitpicking the wording, but a lot of this stuff is relevant. The Bible is FULL of contradictions, as are other holy books I'm sure (though the Bible is the one I'm most familiar with).

The website I linked doesn't even address any things that could be explained away by 'miracles' or 'magic', because arguing that with someone who believes in them is like punching a brick wall... Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

One can argue that not all Christians believe the Earth is as young as that claim states but it does not change the fact it's in the Bible. My whole point was that if the book is wrong about certain things, why should I trust it? Why put faith into something that has had large portions of it discredited or at the very least cast doubt over by science? Blind faith is nothing short of ignorance.

There weren't 30,000,000 species at this time, to point out the obvious.

 

[Jimmy]

There weren't 30,000,000 species at this time, to point out the obvious.

In other words, life evolved after the flood?