Every christian is a hypocrite

[Darkgroove]

You believe in a religion that tells you how to live your life, the same as a dictatorship. You admit to living by these rules as they are the guidelines on how to live your life. You believe that if you follow these guidelines you will go to a better place when you die which is the reason you follow this. But the same people who run your religion are corrupting it by going against some of the rules that you're suppose to follow and yet you still follow these leaders. That would mean that by association you're just as corrupt as them.

So if George Bush did something corrupt, that would make the entire American population corrupt? Unless you support these corrupt actions, and btw I'd like examples, then you are not corrupt.
If you choose to follow a leader, then fine, you do that. I follow Christ. If the pope went and said something which was the complete opposite of what Christ said, then I would look for another branch of Christianity. Now I'm getting into how I live my life, so I'll try to stop it soon. Following Christ is more important than worshiping an archbishop/pope/whatever, if you are Christian.

How can you say you don't think you're better than anyone else that is how society is run. Basically what you're saying is that someone who has murdered\stolen\raped\molested etc. should be treated the same as you and not be put in prison. To believe that you're no better than ANYONE else we would be in chaos because there could be no justice to the actions of "bad" people.

So what you're saying is, someone else's life is less important than yours? ALL humans are made equal. Being bad etc. has nothing to do with the value of someone's life.

The reason I posted this here is because I didn't believe it was a good enough topic for the SFA forum and the people in the off topic section are generally morons. So that left the spam forum left even though people act retarded in the spam forum the majority of the people are fairly intelligent.

LOL spam forum intelligence > off-topic intelligence!

 

[Macroman]

Also, God doesn't exist. They're fooling themselves etc.

"Points to Signature"

 

[deadzone]

So if George Bush did something corrupt, that would make the entire American population corrupt? Unless you support these corrupt actions, and btw I'd like examples, then you are not corrupt.
If you choose to follow a leader, then fine, you do that. I follow Christ. If the pope went and said something which was the complete opposite of what Christ said, then I would look for another branch of Christianity. Now I'm getting into how I live my life, so I'll try to stop it soon. Following Christ is more important than worshiping an archbishop/pope/whatever, if you are Christian.

No Because you can't blame someone for where they live, they can't choose on there own to say "hey gtfo fag" now if they like bush and or support him then yes. You have the power to quit believing in Christianity or w\e religion there are other religions out there less tainted and some believe in the same ways as Christians.

That is good if I remember correctly you are to worship no man\being other than god\jesus or something like that. Keep in mind I may be a little off on parts of which I say are from the bible as it has been a few years since I have read it. I am some what confused on what you want me to give you examples on so if you elaborate I will do my best.

So what you're saying is, someone else's life is less important than yours? ALL humans are made equal. Being bad etc. has nothing to do with the value of someone's life.

No not at all, I honestly believe everyone else's life is more important than mine which is why I would give my life if it meant that it saved someone else's But that is just because I live life day by day I have achieved all the goals I have set in my life. On another note my Ideology is that every being man\animal and everything in between is all equal not one living thing is any less important than the other. What I was getting at is that is the way most religious people think when they look at "sinners" and generally only will say good things\help them to give them satisfaction that they are superior than that person because they could help them when he\she could not help them self.

LOL spam forum intelligence > off-topic intelligence!

For this I know is true, just look at the threads there.. half of it belongs here in the spam forum.

"Points to Signature"

If god was\is real and as powerful as you all seem to think wouldn't he be able to get his story right when he told the prophets to right bible? there are an immense amount of contradictions within all bibles. As well as errors in a few of them.

 

[Darkgroove]

No Because you can't blame someone for where they live, they can't choose on there own to say "hey gtfo fag" now if they like bush and or support him then yes. You have the power to quit believing in Christianity or w\e religion there are other religions out there less tainted and some believe in the same ways as Christians.

Why should we stop believing what we believe, because certain leaders are fail? Humans are human. Believing in God doesn't make me a hypocrite just because you think that these leaders are hypocrites.

So American's can't choose who their leader is, so they aren't hypocrites, when it comes down to a majority. We can't choose who will become priests/bishops/archbishops/cardinals/popes. Priests go through a process set out by the archdioceses. Then they get "promoted" to the other positions. Again, we have no control over who gets accepted and who doesn't. Even if we did, there are plenty (the majority) who are fine and do legit work for the church. Once again, this doesn't make me a hypocrite.

That is good if I remember correctly you are to worship no man\being other than god\jesus or something like that. Keep in mind I may be a little off on parts of which I say are from the bible as it has been a few years since I have read it. I am some what confused on what you want me to give you examples on so if you elaborate I will do my best.

Examples of corrupt people (names and specifics please), and tell me how because they believe in the same God, that makes me corrupt as well.

What I was getting at is that is the way most religious people think when they look at "sinners" and generally only will say good things\help them to give them satisfaction that they are superior than that person because they could help them when he\she could not help them self.

You're generalizing. Incredibly stupid cult-like groups in America like those idiots who made the signs "God hates gay troops" or whatever are what you're referring to.

This, is not Christianity: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5kF1J4s0dxM

If god was\is real and as powerful as you all seem to think wouldn't he be able to get his story right when he told the prophets to right bible? there are an immense amount of contradictions within all bibles. As well as errors in a few of them.

Errors come from translation. The old testament is pretty much directly taken from the Jewish Torah, which some books were written by prophets. *Most* of the new testament is written by people who experienced time with Jesus. You have the gospels, then the Acts of Saul describing his conversion and what happened after the death of Jesus, letters to the Romans, Corinthians etc. and eventually you get to Revelation (which I don't know much about).

In case you missed it before: the bible is not written entirely by prophets.

Again, this is not about how powerful God is/if God indeed exists. There's a thread in SFA for that.

 

[deadzone]

Why should we stop believing what we believe, because certain leaders are fail? Humans are human. Believing in God doesn't make me a hypocrite just because you think that these leaders are hypocrites.

The fact is I would say that about 95% or more of your "leaders" are hypocrites to the rules you're all suppose to abide by.

So American's can't choose who their leader is, so they aren't hypocrites, when it comes down to a majority. We can't choose who will become priests/bishops/archbishops/cardinals/popes. Priests go through a process set out by the archdioceses. Then they get "promoted" to the other positions. Again, we have no control over who gets accepted and who doesn't. Even if we did, there are plenty (the majority) who are fine and do legit work for the church. Once again, this doesn't make me a hypocrite.

You can change religions or what ever it may be without having a big repercussion on your life. If lets say I were to move from America to a different country that I found had the right views that could have a very bad effect on my life as it would be trying to start a new and giving up everything that I have worked hard for. you just say "hey no longer Christian here" what else do you have to lose?

Examples of corrupt people (names and specifics please), and tell me how because they believe in the same God, that makes me corrupt as well.

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The Christian attempts to put prayer into schools run directly counter to biblical teachings. Jesus said prayer should be a private affair devoid of public display: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV). Biblicists violate this on a regular basis and have no intention of correcting their behavior. They demand that evolution be taken out of the curriculum. They demand parochial school receive voucher programs so that they may collect public funding. Christians continuously pray in public, IE: churches, street corners, schools, courts, etc. yet all the while they never stop to think this is in direct violation to the god they pray to.

I, of course, know why this is voluntarily ignored. Public prayer forces the peers of school children to jump on the band wagon and pray. We are all aware that the church is simply a business which employs tactics similar to that of tobacco industries in recruiting consumers. Get the kids while they are young and vulnerable so that they become donating members of the church when they reach adulthood. I find it humorous that other businesses warn their consumers on the package that it is dangerous to one’s health while Churches don’t put warning labels on the bible for the pornography and immorality it contains. The psychological damage organized religion causes is notably prevalent. Cancer from smoking and cirrhosis from drinking is JUST AS HARMFUL as the psychosis believers develop concerning reality. The “I see demons” complex is more rampant in Christians then it is in acid dropping space cadets. I am not saying this as a joke. There are literal studies done on this topic and they are in accordance to what I am conveying here.

Christians always use the excuse that the above mentioned verse is some how “metaphorical” yet they take Paul’s maxim that men should pray with their heads uncovered very seriously. I assume this is generally followed because removing one’s hat isn’t particularly inconvenient. "Any man who prays or prophecies with his head covered dishonors his head…" (1 Corinthians 11:4 RSV). On the other hand, Paul’s tenet that women must keep their heads covered with a veil during prayer is quite inconvenient and, for this reason, has either been rationalized away or ignored, although it is no less binding than any other moral law in the New Testament: “…but any woman who prays or prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head… For if a woman will not veil herself, then we should cut off her hair: but if it be disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil… Judge for yourself; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with head uncovered?” (1 Corinthians 11:5-13 RSV) The selectivity in which these verses are followed SCREAMS hypocrisy.

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I would post names but unfortunantly I don't know the names of the priest at your church.

You're generalizing. Incredibly stupid cult-like groups in America like those idiots who made the signs "God hates gay troops" or whatever are what you're referring to.

This, is not Christianity: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5kF1J4s0dxM

Not at all that is what your beloved Christians do on a regular basis.

Errors come from translation. The old testament is pretty much directly taken from the Jewish Torah, which some books were written by prophets. *Most* of the new testament is written by people who experienced time with Jesus. You have the gospels, then the Acts of Saul describing his conversion and what happened after the death of Jesus, letters to the Romans, Corinthians etc. and eventually you get to Revelation (which I don't know much about).

In case you missed it before: the bible is written entirely by prophets.

Again, this is not about how powerful God is/if God indeed exists. There's a thread in SFA for that.

What I was getting at is "god" could have corrected these mistakes but did not because "god" is inferior and is no more powerful than anyone else because all "god" is, is a deluded vision of basic morals in which all people have added with a hint of corruption that helps those who believe push there views on other people because what they say is correct because god said it.

 

[x⁹]

Yes but some people would like to have a nice bible. Why do you want clothes that cost $100+ when you could get a t-shirt from a store for $10-20? It is the same principle. Some people like to have a good quality-good looking bible.

Everyone that has posted also has to understand that christians dont need bibles. They choose to have them.

Proverbs 16:11, TLB.
"The Lord demands fairness in every business deal. He established this principle."



God has given us free will. Here is an example. If humans created artificial intelligence.

Lets pretend that I invented a robot with artificial intelligence and in this case I would be "God".

The robot would have free will. I gave the robot a book that would help them live good and pure lives.

I had control over every part of the robots life. I could monoter him at all times on my computer. I could destroy him at any second and delete his code. I could know his every move since I programed him.

If you expect God to rule in our lives, It would be like me taking away the A.I. and the robot would simply be a computer.

Now lets say I made 7 billion robots with A.I. And I placed them on a different planet. I let them start a civilization. I also set up a religion where I am "God" If they server me after they wear out and stop opperating I can either "delete their code" or "Send them to a better place" (couldn't think of a heaven for robots...)

Do you understand?

Also God will never change his rules. Why would he?

If a Christian wants their bible to be 'fancy' or 'good-looking', I'm afraid they've missed the point entirely.

As to the rest of you, here's proof that Bibles are sold only to cover costs. Ready for it? It's quite simple. Here we go:

The same organisations that sell them publish them for free online.

You're paying for the materials and running costs.

 

[x⁹]

Also, to all you people who seem to think all Christians are part of some worldwide organisation, I suggest you do some research.

Most churches are independent (or grouped together by local regions). They only truly 'worldwide' church organisation that I know of is the Catholic church - and they've got it wrong on several key issues.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Also, to all you people who seem to think all Christians are part of some worldwide organisation, I suggest you do some research.

Most churches are independent (or grouped together by local regions). They only truly 'worldwide' church organisation that I know of is the Catholic church - and they've got it wrong on several key issues.

Matthew 16:18

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

 

[drainingpower]

yeh, if Christians/Muslims/other believers are "fooling" themselves, then I wonder, how can so many billions of people be fooling themselves?

and does anybody do anything for free? yep, im sure they should just give out free bibles, when the paper costs, the ink costs, just think if you re-written/translated something, would you just be like hey everyone im going to make millions of copies of this for free. and you put so much work into it, and if you disagree, then i strongly recommend you do a big project that you will work months upon possibly, and just give it all up for free to the whole entire world, lets all see how long would this person last...not only mentally but financially as well.
apparently, atheists always think of statements that can always be proven wrong with just a few simple words.

 

[g spoter02]

yeh, if Christians/Muslims/other believers are "fooling" themselves, then I wonder, how can so many billions of people be fooling themselves?

and does anybody do anything for free? yep, im sure they should just give out free bibles, when the paper costs, the ink costs, just think if you re-written/translated something, would you just be like hey everyone im going to make millions of copies of this for free. and you put so much work into it, and if you disagree, then i strongly recommend you do a big project that you will work months upon possibly, and just give it all up for free to the whole entire world, lets all see how long would this person last...not only mentally but financially as well.
apparently, atheists always think of statements that can always be proven wrong with just a few simple words.

You have a runescape sig.

 

[Shroomsday]

You're not paying for the bible just the materials it took to make it.

 

[deadzone]

If a Christian wants their bible to be 'fancy' or 'good-looking', I'm afraid they've missed the point entirely.

As to the rest of you, here's proof that Bibles are sold only to cover costs. Ready for it? It's quite simple. Here we go:

The same organisations that sell them publish them for free online.

You're paying for the materials and running costs.

For a book the size of the bible it costs about 10-15 usd what is the other 10-15 usd for? the enchantment of god? lol c'mon get real.

yeh, if Christians/Muslims/other believers are "fooling" themselves, then I wonder, how can so many billions of people be fooling themselves?

and does anybody do anything for free? yep, im sure they should just give out free bibles, when the paper costs, the ink costs, just think if you re-written/translated something, would you just be like hey everyone im going to make millions of copies of this for free. and you put so much work into it, and if you disagree, then i strongly recommend you do a big project that you will work months upon possibly, and just give it all up for free to the whole entire world, lets all see how long would this person last...not only mentally but financially as well.
apparently, atheists always think of statements that can always be proven wrong with just a few simple words.

Because back when man was less intelligent someone seen fire, they were so amazed they believed it was a god. As time went by people got tired of that god that they worshiped and made one of there own. and thus today many many people believe in different gods all because of our ancestors ignorance.

You my friend also are failing to see what I am getting at please re-read the arguments here maybe then it will sink into your thick head.

You're not paying for the bible just the materials it took to make it.

Read above.

 

[Darkgroove]

For a book the size of the bible it costs about 10-15 usd what is the other 10-15 usd for? the enchantment of god? lol c'mon get real.

So that other bibles can be given away for free. Now we're just repeating what we've said before.

and thus today many many people believe in different gods all because of our ancestors ignorance.

There aren't many, many Gods. Name all the Gods that currently, people believe in.

Edit: Sorry about the pathetic grammar, looks like I've fixed it...

 

[deadzone]

So that other bibles can be given away for free. Now we're just repeating what we've said before.


These isn't many, many Gods. Name all the Gods that currently, people believe in.

Why would you need to make more bibles? as long as you have the same amount coming in as going out. It's not like people are like you know what I have a bible but I think I better get 10 more.

Too name every god would take excessive work as there are numerious amounts but just for a chuckle I'll name a few.

Agni - god of fire
The Asura
The Aswini - gods of sunrise and sunset
Dyaus-pitar - ('Heaven-father') cognate of the Roman god Jupiter
Ganesh - god of wisdom, intelligence, education and prudence
Hanuman
Kali, the fearsome dark goddess
Krishna - eighth avatar of Vishnu
Lakshmi - goddess of fortune, luck, beauty and fertility
Parjanya
Parvati or Parvathi, wife of Shiva
Prithivi mata - the Earth goddess
Purusha - the Cosmic-Man
The Rudras - the storm deities
Saraswati - goddess of intelligence, consciousness and cosmic knowledge
Soma - the lunar deity
Ushas
Vasus, the
Vayu - god of wind
The Visvedevas

Brahman, the one and only (formless) supreme God
Saguna Brahman, or God with attributes, symbolized as The Ishvar s (known collectively as the Trimurti):
Brahmâ, the creator
Vishnu, the sustainer
Shiva, the destroyer
The Adityas
Indra - god of weather and war
Mitra - god of honesty, friendship and contracts
Ravi, Surya - the Sun gods
Varuna - god of the oceans and rivers
Yama - god of death

Gyhldeptis
Lagua
Nankil'slas
Sin
Ta'axet
Tia

Abaangui
Jurupari

Aphrodite - goddess of beauty, one of the twelve Olympians
Apollo - god of poetry, music, the sun, an Olympian
Ares - god of war, an Olympian
Artemis - goddess of the hunt, an Olympian
Athena - goddess of wisdom, defensive war, Athens, an Olympian
Cronus - father of the first six Olympians, a Titan
Demeter - goddess of the harvest, nature, often considered an Olympian
Dionysus - god of wine, took Hestia's place as an Olympian
Eris - goddess of discord
Eos - goddess of the dawn
Gaia - primordial goddess of earth, mother of the Titans
Hades - god of the underworld, often considered an Olympian
Hebe - wife of Hercules
Hecate - goddess of witchcraft, crossroads
Helios - god who drives of the sun
Hephaestus - god of smiths, an Olympian
Hera - chief goddess, goddess of marriage, an Olympian
Hermes - messenger of the gods, an Olympian
Hestia - goddess of the hearth, gave up seat at Olympus to Dionysus
Pan - god of shepherds
Persephone - daughter of Demeter, queen of the dead
Poseidon - god of the sea, an Olympian
Rhea - mother of the first six Olympians, a Titan
Selene - goddess who drives the moon
Uranus - primordial god of the heavens, father of the Titans
Zeus - god of sky and air, chief Olympian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God

Those along w\ what I have posted is probably the biggest compilation you're going to find.

 

[x⁹]

For a book the size of the bible it costs about 10-15 usd what is the other 10-15 usd for? the enchantment of god? lol c'mon get real.



Because back when man was less intelligent someone seen fire, they were so amazed they believed it was a god. As time went by people got tired of that god that they worshiped and made one of there own. and thus today many many people believe in different gods all because of our ancestors ignorance.

You my friend also are failing to see what I am getting at please re-read the arguments here maybe then it will sink into your thick head.



Read above.

I don't think you're listening to me. Bibles are not sold for profit.
They're usually sold at a price which enables the organization which printed the Bible to continue doing so.

The problem with people like you is that you seem to think man is more intelligent now than 2000 years ago. That's just stupid. Man may not have been as well-informed as people now, but they weren't stupid.

Many of them were probably more intelligent than you.

 

[Darkgroove]

Why would you need to make more bibles? as long as you have the same amount coming in as going out. It's not like people are like you know what I have a bible but I think I better get 10 more.

I've got 3 bibles, as I've already said. We need more bibles, because there are a lot of Christians, and there will still be more Christians to come.

Too name every god would take excessive work as there are numerious amounts but just for a chuckle I'll name a few.

Those along w\ what I have posted is probably the biggest compilation you're going to find.

*I deleted the list because there was quite a few, check the original post for the list*

I meant Gods that people still believe in, dietys is probably a better word to describe what you just listed. Greeks no longer believe in Zeus, and "Romans" or Italians or whatever no longer believe Uranus is a God.

 

[larrytheking]

There's one thing that many people are forgetting. So, the general arguement is that Christians are hypocrites because they say they follow the Bible and yet do everything that the Bible tells them not to do.

Well, there's one thing that you're all forgetting. There is no such thing as Christianity any more. Every Christian has been converted to a new religion. This new religion, which is now the most common religion in the world and is worshipped in over 100 countries, is...

CAPITALISM!!!

And the deity in which Capitalists believe is called MONEY!

No Catholic truly believe what he or she preaches because their not really Catholic. The only thing which people believe and understand is money. Our entire world revolves around money. Screw family values. Screw equality. Screw helping an old lady across the street. If there's no money in it, nobody cares! Money is the new God!

And here's the proof: The words "IN GOD WE TRUST" are written on teh U.S $1 bill. That's the God in the U.S.A. Money! Their God is a freaking bank note! And the rest of the world isn't much different.

So when you say that Christians are hypocrites, they're really not. They're Capitalists who pretend to be Christian. So it's no wonder that they go against the teachings of the Bible. They don't even truly believe in the Bible! Maybe if someone slipped a fifty into one of the pages and told them to read it to find the money they might, but, otherewise, they don't truly believe in the Bible or its teachings.

Want more proof? Walk up to a Christian with a Bible in one hand and a fifty dollay bill in the other and ask which one they believe is more useful. I will bet any amount of money that over 90% will choose the money.

So please stop saying that Christians are hypocrites, because you're not really talking about Christians are you? Calling a Christian a Capitalist is very unkind. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be called a bastard. Well, Christians don't like it either. So stop calling them Capitalists and GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

 

[Darkgroove]

Want more proof? Walk up to a Christian with a Bible in one hand and a fifty dollay bill in the other and ask which one they believe is more useful. I will bet any amount of money that over 90% will choose the money.

90% will choose the money, because they already own a bible. Why? because they are being given away/being sold so that the church can afford to give them away.

So please stop saying that Christians are hypocrites, because you're not really talking about Christians are you? Calling a Christian a Capitalist is very unkind. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be called a bastard. Well, Christians don't like it either. So stop calling them Capitalists and GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

i is insulted by ur post

 

[larrytheking]

90% will choose the money, because they already own a bible. Why? because they are being given away/being sold so that the church can afford to give them away.

No, the question was, which would they find more beneficial? Not, which they would rather take. I already know that they own a Bible. Everyone has been arguing that for the last year or however long this thread has been going for.

So lrn2read!!!

P.S. lol

 

[Darkgroove]

Yes, but it can be said that it is because they already own a bible that they think the $50 is more beneficial. They can have a bible and $50, over two bibles which have almost identical text. And then the bible can go to someone else who needs one.