Every christian is a hypocrite

[333]

if you go to elementry, middle, and high school in america usually 40-60 year old men give them away for free .... lol as long as your parents aren't around they give em to ya

 

[hashslinger]

Also, God doesn't exist. They're fooling themselves etc.

Also, God doesn't exist. They're fooling themselves etc.

Psalms 14:1 - The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Matthew 7:26 - But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

Proverbs 1:7 - The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[Darkgroove]

No but you believe in the way of Christianity, therefore you believe in your church's which try to profit from the money. If they were as holy as they would like you to believe the charity that they recieve would be enough.

The money raised do one of 3 things.

1. Pay for the priest's food/where he lives
2. Pay to keep the church modern
3. Pay to mass produce these bibles

Because they\you follow the beliefs of the religion and are in league with them. and you bring up another good point to the case about the tv preachers.

I can't stand those televangelists, or whatever they're called. Don't put me in the same boat as them.

That is only to use not to call your own. you must leave it at the church.

If you were smart enough to keep this to the original thread, you would have read how certain churches/companies have given out Bibles. In the case Macroman brought up, a certain company has given away 15 million bibles world wide.

Please take the time to read all I have posted. I make a very good argument I think, if not please tell me where I went wrong? Just because I am not religious does not mean I haven't been to a church you can only use there bibles there to get one of your own you must purchase it. as stated before the average amount it costs to press a bible is cheaper than what most Church's charge.

As I already said, the priests live off donations and things sold within the church. Even still, what they get is only a portion as some of the money has to go back into purchasing the materials required to perform a mass, and to keep the church itself up to code.

 

[Macroman]

Free bible's anyone?

People sell bibles because they cant afford to give them away for free. Usually what the tend to do is work on selling bibles to people who can afford it, and then using the money to give bibles to those who cant. In doing so allot more bibles can be given out. Also there is an organization called the Gideon who have given out more than 15,000,000 bibles world wide.

 

[Breakyoself]

Damn those bible salesmen! Damn them all to hell

 

[Macroman]

^^^ You can join them if you go on like that.

 

[Breakyoself]

^^^ You can join them if you go on like that.

Lol, I'm just joking buddy. I just watched planet of the apes and can't get that quote of my head.

Anyway, I'm agnostic.

 

[deadzone]

They don't make money from selling Bibles.
They're usually sold at a price which allows them to cover the cost of production.
Also, there's a Christian saying that goes like this: "Don't be like Christians, they're a bunch of hypocrites. Be like Christ"

I know of plenty of Christian organisatiosn that work hard so they CAN give Bibles out to people for free.

As I said it doesn't take 25+ dollars to press a bible and then 40-50 to add a silver\golden outline with a little tassel. Yes I am sure there are some that do give out bibles for free, But what I am saying is that they are all linked to one set of rules and one organization, therefore they're all at fault by association.

APPARENTLY they are using the money to LIVE.

I'm not religious, but your ideas aren't very justified.

If I remember correctly when I read the bible it said something about gods forgiveness, love etc. shall be everlasting and free. If this is the case then they should find a real source of income instead of living off charity, there are more unfortunate people who could use it. On top of all this if you look at most preachers\priests if they live in there church it is usually quite nice and better than most houses and if they don't they generally have a very nice house or at least a nice house for there surroundings.

The money raised do one of 3 things.

1. Pay for the priest's food/where he lives
2. Pay to keep the church modern
3. Pay to mass produce these bibles

I can't stand those televangelists, or whatever they're called. Don't put me in the same boat as them.


If you were smart enough to keep this to the original thread, you would have read how certain churches/companies have given out Bibles. In the case Macroman brought up, a certain company has given away 15 million bibles world wide.


As I already said, the priests live off donations and things sold within the church. Even still, what they get is only a portion as some of the money has to go back into purchasing the materials required to perform a mass, and to keep the church itself up to code.

The fact is it's suppose to be free, they are marketing on a religion that is suppose to be free. if you believe in god you should believe in it all the way or give up not just the parts that benefit you.

They have gave away 15 million bibles WORLD WIDE that's amazing and how many did they sell world wide? oh wait there making there money off of shamwow. -_-

And as I said look at most priests\preachers they live quite lavishly.

 

[tutoneppis]

You just dont understand.....TJ's thread failed. Now you make a new thread with the same "Fail"
Your a ignorant peice of shit.

 

[Darkgroove]

And as I said look at most priests\preachers they live quite lavishly.

This right here, is why people are turning away. MY parish priest lives in a shack-like house around the corner from the church, and has been eating baked beans for the past 3 weeks. He also eats/lives alone. That's just so lavish, isn't it?

I love it how you label every christian as a hypocrite. Thes priests live off the charity they receive in the collection plates. 1 of the collection plates. As I've already said, the other collection plate goes towards the church. As for the 15m bibles. It's a start, however many WERE sold also go into mass production. I honestly have no idea how much bibles are. If you want yours all prettied up with a golden tassel, then fine. I've got 3 bibles, 2 from my school (with educational references), and 1 from my confirmation from my sponsor, all prettied up and nice. You can guess which one was paid for.

Repeating your ideas != winning argument, sir.

If I remember correctly when I read the bible it said something about gods forgiveness, love etc. shall be everlasting and free.

God's forgiveness and love is everlasting and free. It's your decision whether you receive God's forgiveness and love or not. However if you want to pretty up God's word, then you might have to pay a little, because it's a consumers world.

 

[deadzone]

You just dont understand.....TJ's thread failed. Now you make a new thread with the same "Fail"
Your a ignorant peice of shit.

Tj's thread only failed if it in fact did because I didn't continue to post in it. An you don't have the power to call me a ignorant piece of shit. you have 2 guys getting off in your sig that is a fail plain and simple. I have put up a legitimate debate and have raised some good questions that you guys have failed to answer without bringing up another one of the errors that goes with your bible thumping ways. The way religious nuts defend themselves is with insults such as you have shown.

/die

This right here, is why people are turning away. MY parish priest lives in a shack-like house around the corner from the church, and has been eating baked beans for the past 3 weeks. He also eats/lives alone. That's just so lavish, isn't it?

I love it how you label every christian as a hypocrite. Thes priests live off the charity they receive in the collection plates. 1 of the collection plates. As I've already said, the other collection plate goes towards the church. As for the 15m bibles. It's a start, however many WERE sold also go into mass production. I honestly have no idea how much bibles are. If you want yours all prettied up with a golden tassel, then fine. I've got 3 bibles, 2 from my school (with educational references), and 1 from my confirmation from my sponsor, all prettied up and nice. You can guess which one was paid for.

Repeating your ideas != winning argument, sir.


God's forgiveness and love is everlasting and free. It's your decision whether you receive God's forgiveness and love or not. However if you want to pretty up God's word, then you might have to pay a little, because it's a consumers world.

And I bet you live in a small town as well where there isn't much of a income for him or there isn't a large amount of people in that location with the same religion.

I actually did some research the 25 and 40 or 50 dollar estimates are what I got on average from what I seen online. As well there shouldn't be a need for golden lace and tassel's on your bible it's not a fashion statement it's suppose to be apart of the way you run your life. the whole tassels and lace etc. was just a way for the religion to make more money. If you believe otherwise then you are a fool and I would love to hear your theory on what good having a little extra material on your cover would help you in the afterlife.

On another note I only repeat myself because people are too ignorant to realize there question has already been answered, and every thing I have said is the logical answer.

Answer this. God is omni potent and has omni presence, correct? If that statement is true then it would be in fact his world. He spoke to the 13 prophets or w\e that wrote the bible. The bible is suppose to be his law. If it is in fact his law then it would not be a consumers world, because it would be his and he could change it. Now if he is omni potent and has omni presence [which means he is a part of everything and can effect everything] wouldn't he be able to change his rule if he wanted to? Thus this means either he is none existent or you're going to hell for dis-obeying you're beloved god.

 

[thorne_bro]

No matter if they sell it, they believe in it, which is foolish.

 

[Darkgroove]

And I bet you live in a small town as well where there isn't much of a income for him or there isn't a large amount of people in that location with the same religion.

I lol'd. Melbourne is not a small town, sir.

I actually did some research the 25 and 40 or 50 dollar estimates are what I got on average from what I seen online. As well there shouldn't be a need for golden lace and tassel's on your bible it's not a fashion statement it's suppose to be apart of the way you run your life. the whole tassels and lace etc. was just a way for the religion to make more money. If you believe otherwise then you are a fool and I would love to hear your theory on what good having a little extra material on your cover would help you in the afterlife.

Solution: don't get tassles.

On another note I only repeat myself because people are too ignorant to realize there question has already been answered, and every thing I have said is the logical answer.

/salute

Answer this. God is omni potent and has omni presence, correct? If that statement is true then it would be in fact his world. He spoke to the 13 prophets or w\e that wrote the bible. The bible is suppose to be his law. If it is in fact his law then it would not be a consumers world, because it would be his and he could change it. Now if he is omni potent and has omni presence [which means he is a part of everything and can effect everything] wouldn't he be able to change his rule if he wanted to? Thus this means either he is none existent or you're going to hell for dis-obeying you're beloved god.

I guess I'm going to hell
Free will is a marvelous thing, and this isn't a debate on whether God exists, or is <insert omni-word here> mind you. It's an debate on whether Christian's are hypocrites.

 

[hashslinger]

And if you were a good Christian, you'd understand that ''more fancy'' doesn't constitute ''good'' or ''better''.

Yes but some people would like to have a nice bible. Why do you want clothes that cost $100+ when you could get a t-shirt from a store for $10-20? It is the same principle. Some people like to have a good quality-good looking bible.

Everyone that has posted also has to understand that christians dont need bibles. They choose to have them.

Proverbs 16:11, TLB.
"The Lord demands fairness in every business deal. He established this principle."

Answer this. God is omni potent and has omni presence, correct? If that statement is true then it would be in fact his world. He spoke to the 13 prophets or w\e that wrote the bible. The bible is suppose to be his law. If it is in fact his law then it would not be a consumers world, because it would be his and he could change it. Now if he is omni potent and has omni presence [which means he is a part of everything and can effect everything] wouldn't he be able to change his rule if he wanted to? Thus this means either he is none existent or you're going to hell for dis-obeying you're beloved god.

God has given us free will. Here is an example. If humans created artificial intelligence.

Lets pretend that I invented a robot with artificial intelligence and in this case I would be "God".

The robot would have free will. I gave the robot a book that would help them live good and pure lives.

I had control over every part of the robots life. I could monoter him at all times on my computer. I could destroy him at any second and delete his code. I could know his every move since I programed him.

If you expect God to rule in our lives, It would be like me taking away the A.I. and the robot would simply be a computer.

Now lets say I made 7 billion robots with A.I. And I placed them on a different planet. I let them start a civilization. I also set up a religion where I am "God" If they server me after they wear out and stop opperating I can either "delete their code" or "Send them to a better place" (couldn't think of a heaven for robots...)

Do you understand?

Also God will never change his rules. Why would he?

 

[hashslinger]

I'm not a Christian, so it's not a sin for me to be proud or greedy.

Buying a nice bible is not being proud or greedy either. I wasnt saying you were being proud or greedy either I am saying it is because it looks cooler/nicer and it is better quality.

 

[wtp]

I like how no one defended this until after I posted. Now it seems everyone is.

Don't hesitate to revise your thoughts.

 

[Darkgroove]

I'm not a Christian, so it's not a sin for me to be proud or greedy.

Why are you buying a bible? Little light reading?

I like how no one defended this until after I posted. Now it seems everyone is.

Don't hesitate to revise your thoughts.

My first post came straight after I saw this thread =_="

 

[deadzone]

I lol'd. Melbourne is not a small town, sir.


Solution: don't get tassles.


/salute


I guess I'm going to hell
Free will is a marvelous thing, and this isn't a debate on whether God exists, or is <insert omni-word here> mind you. It's an debate on whether Christian's are hypocrites.

Melbourne isn't a small town but how big is you're religions community in your area?

as I was saying tassels etc. is just a marketing scheme to get more money.

No this is in fact not a debate on whether or not god exists but it just helped to prove my point because you believe he exists you would have to accept that you're a hypocrite, there for. /win

Yes but some people would like to have a nice bible. Why do you want clothes that cost $100+ when you could get a t-shirt from a store for $10-20? It is the same principle. Some people like to have a good quality-good looking bible.

Everyone that has posted also has to understand that christians dont need bibles. They choose to have them.

Proverbs 16:11, TLB.
"The Lord demands fairness in every business deal. He established this principle."



God has given us free will. Here is an example. If humans created artificial intelligence.

Lets pretend that I invented a robot with artificial intelligence and in this case I would be "God".

The robot would have free will. I gave the robot a book that would help them live good and pure lives.

I had control over every part of the robots life. I could monoter him at all times on my computer. I could destroy him at any second and delete his code. I could know his every move since I programed him.

If you expect God to rule in our lives, It would be like me taking away the A.I. and the robot would simply be a computer.

Now lets say I made 7 billion robots with A.I. And I placed them on a different planet. I let them start a civilization. I also set up a religion where I am "God" If they server me after they wear out and stop opperating I can either "delete their code" or "Send them to a better place" (couldn't think of a heaven for robots...)

Do you understand?

Also God will never change his rules. Why would he?

But thats the thing no human or any other being on this earth can control something completely, it doesn't matter what the scenario is you could have it right 1 out of a billion times but it will go differently eventually nothing is absolute. There will always be different views and different scenario's to everything.

Now if you believe you're a god because you created artificial intelligence I would say you need help because you suffer from a god complex.

That is my point he WOULDN'T change his rules there for the Christian religion is corrupt and anyone who believes in it is as corrupt hypocrite by association because you believe you're a noble being and are righteous when in fact you're breaking the very rules you serve under.

 

[Darkgroove]

Melbourne isn't a small town but how big is you're religions community in your area?

Big enough, the primary school connected to that school has 500+ kids. I don't know how else to give you a better idea. I guess we're stingy bastards

as I was saying tassels etc. is just a marketing scheme to get more money.

So don't buy it with tassles... lol...

you would have to accept that you're a hypocrite, there for. /win

No I don't. Unless you tell someone how to live their life, and then don't live it that way yourself, then you're a hypocrite. I don't push my beliefs on anyone, unless they want to hear it and I certainly don't tell anyone to do something, unless I'd do it in their place (religious or not). As I've said, if I want a prettied bible, I'm willing to pay for it. If I don't, then I've got two sitting in my school bag for free. Want one?

That is my point he WOULDN'T change his rules there for the Christian religion is corrupt and anyone who believes in it is as corrupt hypocrite by association because you believe you're a noble being and are righteous when in fact you're breaking the very rules you serve under.

I don't believe I'm noble BECAUSE I believe in God. I don't believe I'm any "higher" than any person on this Earth irl.

Btw, why did you post this here, you're lucking hm0ng, ironblade, kevin etc haven't gone on a spam spree already.

 

[deadzone]

Big enough, the primary school connected to that school has 500+ kids. I don't know how else to give you a better idea. I guess we're stingy bastards


So don't buy it with tassles... lol...


No I don't. Unless you tell someone how to live their life, and then don't live it that way yourself, then you're a hypocrite. I don't push my beliefs on anyone, unless they want to hear it and I certainly don't tell anyone to do something, unless I'd do it in their place (religious or not). As I've said, if I want a prettied bible, I'm willing to pay for it. If I don't, then I've got two sitting in my school bag for free. Want one?


I don't believe I'm noble BECAUSE I believe in God. I don't believe I'm any "higher" than any person on this Earth irl.

Btw, why did you post this here, you're lucking hm0ng, ironblade, kevin etc haven't gone on a spam spree already.

That may be the reason why he doesn't have much money because the school is more than likely ran on the funds from the charity, but a lot of Church's don't have this.

What I am getting at with the tassels is that they should not have made them in the first place the only reason they're made is to satisfy greed.

You believe in a religion that tells you how to live your life, the same as a dictatorship. You admit to living by these rules as they are the guidelines on how to live your life. You believe that if you follow these guidelines you will go to a better place when you die which is the reason you follow this. But the same people who run your religion are corrupting it by going against some of the rules that you're suppose to follow and yet you still follow these leaders. That would mean that by association you're just as corrupt as them.

How can you say you don't think you're better than anyone else that is how society is run. Basically what you're saying is that someone who has murdered\stolen\raped\molested etc. should be treated the same as you and not be put in prison. To believe that you're no better than ANYONE else we would be in chaos because there could be no justice to the actions of "bad" people.

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The reason I posted this here is because I didn't believe it was a good enough topic for the SFA forum and the people in the off topic section are generally morons. So that left the spam forum left even though people act retarded in the spam forum the majority of the people are fairly intelligent.