Duel Glitching Okay, Item Scamming Not...?

Here at Sythe, we pride ourselves on being anti-scam. We are vigorous in pursuing those who scam in trades throughout the site, and punish them fiercely and immediately. However, right now there seems to be some hypocrisy in the system.

Example:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1298272

Above is a stake glitch being sold by Lucster. This glitch is intended to give players an unfair advantage in a stake, essentially rigging the game for the glitcher. This person profits by taking the other player's items which is the result of rigging the game. How can this not be considered scamming? If someone shows up to a dice game with a rigged dice, they are cheating / scamming. This should be no different.

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1300504

An example of another person posting a guide to scam people ingame. Obviously not what we want here, but realistically, this is no different from rigging a duel. It involves ripping people off in-game and profiting at the victim's expense. Mods have no problem closing these threads and even going as far as banning the authors.

Bottom Line:

We need to have a unified stance against all scamming. Although rigging stakes is more complex, it still is a scam. By allowing this to take place on Sythe, it undermines the values of the site.

 

[jcliu0]

Sythe is full of scammers anyway. It is a true fact. Sythe's reputation has already been tarnished and I believe that your exaggerating the 'impeccable' status of Sythe.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Sadly there has already been many threads on this.

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1246976&highlight=Staking+Glitch
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1059935&highlight=Staking+Glitch
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1008816&highlight=Staking+Glitch

They're still allowed, so nothing will be done about it. Apparently they are sold under bug-abuse, and that is the reason they are allowed. I can quote two or three mods who explain why they are allowed.

 

[video]

We also allow luring, which is social-engineering but in-game. Luring is awful, you find people who are stupid/naive and trick them out of all of their gear. And you're right about these glitches too, they are scams.

The line seems to be that you aren't allowed to scam sythe members. I don't think I need to go into detail on why it's wrong to scam people regardless of whether or not they use sythe so I won't. Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree, all forms of scamming should be not allowed on sythe, whether they happen in-game or not. I have seen people banned on this site for saying "I scammed someone 10m in-game" but when people buy/sell luring guides, that is perfectly acceptable

 

[Beav3r]

I thought it wasn't allowed.

And video its not clear cut scamming onsite vs in game. You can still be banned on sythe for scamming in game (even if you didn't scam a sythe member)... Although I guess what it really comes down to is the global's discretion when issuing the ban.

edit: I support r2p's "bottom line" of a clear no scamming policy anywhere in any form.

 

[video]

And video its not clear cut scamming onsite vs in game. You can still be banned on sythe for scamming in game (even if you didn't scam a sythe member).

Luring is perfectly acceptable. Also, it's perfectly acceptable to snipe names so long as you didn't snipe them from a sythe user (see Orly's ban)

 

It's a tough position but at the end of the day, our values as a community should extend beyond Sythe members. If someone adds me on MSN and they don't have a Sythe account, I still give them the same quality of service as I would to a Sythe Moderator.

 

[Daemos]

I also feel that this is equivalent to scamming someone, but it was made clear that the moderating team definitely thinks otherwise in my thread here: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1246976&highlight=Staking+Glitch

I just don't see how you can draw the line between scamming someone and using a "glitch" in the game to steal from someone. Sure, you could definitely say it's just "using an in-game mechanic to gain an advantage", but so is recovering an old account by abusing Jagex's flawed recovery system, which is a bannable offense here.

 

[Cami3532]

I think all forms of scamming should be allowed and all previous members who have been banned for this should be unbanned.

I think all forms of scamming should NOT be allowed, anyone caught scamming Scythe Members or non members should be permanently banned.

Which one of these two makes more sense? I feel the latter, an in-between should not exist, we either support it or we don't, there shouldn't be a grey area otherwise it will be too hard to define a stopping point on what is and what is not allowed.

 

[stui]

I agree with Cami there should be no grey area

Scamming is Scamming whether you use social engineering or just use false pretences to get some1 elses items

 

[Zorp]

95% of people on here scam anyways...if a free MM gets to handle a phat set and say $2000 I can almost guarantee you he/she would probably scam it.

Bottom line.. everybody on here is greedy and if they can make a profit any way possible they'll do it. The guide reviewers or whatever are probably loving getting to review these guides.

 

[Creasy]

I agree 100%.

 

[Lawliett]

I would have to agree with R2 on this one. staking glitches are "unfair" advantages using uncontrollable circumstances over other users while luring is taking advantage of the targets weak mental psyche in order to gain. no RS rules are broken by luring while staking glitches are bugs in the game and are bannable.

 

95% of people on here scam anyways...if a free MM gets to handle a phat set and say $2000 I can almost guarantee you he/she would probably scam it.

Bottom line.. everybody on here is greedy and if they can make a profit any way possible they'll do it. The guide reviewers or whatever are probably loving getting to review these guides.

I've handled $10K trades. Don't generalize.

 

[WeRnIE]

Agree with R2, any type of scamming should not be allowed.

 

[Karl]

95% of people on here scam anyways...if a free MM gets to handle a phat set and say $2000 I can almost guarantee you he/she would probably scam it.

Bottom line.. everybody on here is greedy and if they can make a profit any way possible they'll do it. The guide reviewers or whatever are probably loving getting to review these guides.

Its people that make such comments like this that you need to watch, you've pretty much told us that you'd do that yourself.

 

[Punjabi3]

I agree with R2P

A dueling glitch can't be socially engineered so it cannot be prevented. Its the same thing as scamming in game such as by dicing, trust game, and whatever else is in the game now as a form of scamming although some of these involve social engineering. This is the type of things you would expect to be selling on Hackforums not on sythe.

 

[TheLuckyNub]

Luring, and rigging games, is basically scamming, agreed with RSPleasent, if its allowed, then I personally frown upon it, but authors and guide writers should be punished enough to prevent future outlet of scamming techniques.

 

[Chris7]

At the end of the day, everyone is trying to get an unfair advantage in Runescape. Bots, glitches, and other things are apart of Runescape.

 

[Shin]

Luring is perfectly acceptable.

So it's perfectly acceptable to sell luring guides on here, and if a Sythe user ends up getting lured by someone on Sythe, that's okay too?

I was lured for my Santa a while back. I posted a thread regarding it and the person who lured me posted a picture of them luring me.

But I guess that's okay, right? Hell no.