Draft is inevitable if Iraq war continues?

[Shredderbeam]

I never once said I support why this country is in the war. I never once said I believe in my president. I'm just merely stating facts and doing it by an educated point of view.

Good. That makes me a bit happier.

All 1.3m of our soldiers are not tied up. Again, where do you get this bullshit?

Not every single one is, since we're supposedly using the one third rotation system. However, there are very few troops that are not stationed overseas that are not designated to go into Iraq very soon.

I never said we were handling their economic issues. No. We do however make sure their schools, police, governments are all funded so they can operate on their own.

You said that your unit is meeting with leaders of banks, etc., and helping them establish good relations with each other.

Next, you can't call those deaths war casualties. Poor conditions? It's a fucking developing country, there is going to be poor conditions no matter what way you slice it. Violence caused by their own citizens? That's murder, not a war casualty. The motives may have been because of this war, but that doesn't call it a war Casualty. All of those deaths were done by foreign soldiers and insurgents killing iraqi citizens.

I never called them war casualties, to my knowledge. If I did, I was mistaken.

Those lives that were lost would not have been lost if we never invaded. Also, in the 2003 invasion, an estimated 100,000 civilian lives were lost.

As for that U.S. lead airstrike, that wasn't at an insurgent that was against a terrorist leader. Big difference going after a known person than just going on a random witch hunt for suspects.

Yet we do go door to door in certain areas where suspected insurgents are.

 

[kandymann12]

Shredderbeam, why are you worried of someone who is fiercely patriotic?

He is a man with values, and had enough courage to be out there risking his balls for someone he doesn't know and maybe doesn't even care for what the fuck he does!Patriotism should be valued, it is something that isn't seen that much in many countries now.Let the soldiers do what they do and give them your damned love. It's christmas time they need someone that cares for them. GrinGo, would I be wrong if I said that the worst enemy a soldier has is their loneliness and depression in some cases?----Yes, I know I am being off-topic but...They do need attention, and support most especially love.

Don't give 'em problems.
Give 'em something to fight for.
That's what I say.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Shredderbeam, why are you worried of someone who is fiercely patriotic?

Well, I never actually said I was worried. Am I? I think not.

He is a man with values, and had enough courage to be out there risking his balls for someone he doesn't know and maybe doesn't even care for what the fuck he does!

Good for him. Unfortunately, that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Patriotism should be valued

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" - Oscar Wilde.

it is something that isn't seen that much in many countries now.

I'll have to disagree with you there.

Let the soldiers do what they do and give them your damned love.

Yeah, you're right. Emotional appreciation of what the troops do should always take precedence over thinking about whether or not it's necessary.

It's christmas time they need someone that cares for them.

I'm sure they do. They would be a bit more likely to get it back here, though.

Don't give 'em problems.
Give 'em something to fight for.
That's what I say.

I'm not giving them problems, it's the Administration that I'm arguing with.

 

[kandymann12]

Well, I never actually said I was worried. Am I? I think not.

You did say that in the first page.

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" - Oscar Wilde.

Oscar Wilde..hmm....He was imprisoned for gross indecency. So he might have had some angry feelings towards the government and those that uphold the government.Maybe the cause for him saying that. Or maybe because this was the time right after Napoleon, when patriotism was the weapon Napoleon used to get so many French men killed. So maybe it was just a social critique?

 

[Shredderbeam]

You did say that in the first page.

Oh, I didn't realize.

Oscar Wilde..hmm....He was imprisoned for gross indecency. So he might have had some angry feelings towards the government and those that uphold the government.Maybe the cause for him saying that. Or maybe because this was the time right after Napoleon, when patriotism was the weapon Napoleon used to get so many French men killed. So maybe it was just a social critique?

The thing about patriotism is that it seems to enforce "Us versus Them" mentalities. We're all human, though, and such intense feelings for one's own country are somewhat misguided.

 

[kandymann12]

The thing about patriotism is that it seems to enforce "Us versus Them" mentalities. We're all human, though, and such intense feelings for one's own country are somewhat misguided.

On that we can agree. Would Patriotism be compared to that of the buffalo's her effects? I mean, like Hitler, I think Bush just used the feeling of anger and pointed it in the direction of the Middle East. For what purposes I have no idea.