War in Iraq

proof of wat lol?? u are stupid i don't have to u just proved it....

but if u want u can watch this video-- i assume ur father is one of them-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsnT0Z5U8gI

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Hi, please do not associate me with the state that claims to rule me or the stereotypical american.
Thanks.

 

well most of u are... u can't deny it rite?

and i can prove if u want....

 

Just like most blacks are criminals, most muslims are terrorists, and most jews are smart.

 

You act as if all of "us Americans" wanted the war in the first place. Oh, and, your one million number is completely inflated.

In addition, I don't really give two shits about some YouTube propaganda. It means nothing and only leads to stereotypical thinking.

Incorrect.

 

I think that was the point...

 

Obama wont change america. its all a conspiracy anyways.

 

The 1 million dead comes from the ORB poll, which used surveys combined with statistical techniques. It's not "inflated", it's a credible estimate. It seems huge because the media prefers to report the official body count figures, which are - of course - hugely underestimating the death tolls.

 

Is this 1 million dead, US soldiers, indigenous forces, or all allied and indigenous combined?


4,138 US soldiers dead in Iraq.
30,182 US soldiers wounded in Iraq.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

That is nothing, compared to one engagement in WWII.

Let's look at D-DAY.

The breakdown of US casualties was 1465 dead, 3184 wounded, 1928 missing and 26 captured.
http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/faq.htm

 

I'm appalled at your oversight. We're talking about Iraqi civilians, the innocent kind.

 

I didn't read all of the thread.

Documented civilian deaths from violence: 89,892-98,151.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Thats a fuckload less than 1 million.

 

Yeah, you didn't read the post you quoted a few minutes ago as well. That's a body count, it's a gross underestimate. Body counts always are.

 

Body count is the only sure way to know how many are dead.

I can say 5,000 people are homeless, but I've found 1 body.
Does that mean that those other 4,999 are dead? No.

Plus, the 1 million is also deaths from starvation, and the etc.

 

You don't know what you're talking about. Long story short, the ORB surveyors asked 2,000 random Iraqis how many people in their families had died and extrapolated from that. The result is an estimate of total dead. It's not "inflated" in any way, it's just a realistic estimate. Body counts have been shown to be massive underestimates of total deaths.

Also it doesn't matter whether the Iraqis died from starvation or gunshot wounds, the end result is the same, and the US is responsible in both cases.

 

How can the US be responsible for starvation, when we're feeding them?

 

What are you talking about? The PDS was set up by Saddam Hussein's regime well before the invasion of Iraq, it was the only reason half the population didn't starve.

 

With that, how are we the reason they're starving?

 

Well, before the war you upheld the economic sanctions which starved hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. It was infanticide. And when we turned Iraq into a warzone, the damage to the infrastructure and resultant failure of the Iraqi economy caused massive starvation. Of course the US is responsible for the excess deaths caused by the invasion. Who are you kidding?

 

oh well i am not muslim if u tryin to insult me lol

 

Yea, and Palestine is so much better? Suicide bombers attacking innocent people, yea... you guys are real angels. Don't forget that you hate Israelis for being Jewish, not that there is anything wrong with that. *sarcasm*



But anyway, I feel Bush made a touch decision to go into Iraq since Saddam wasnt cooperating. Better to be safe then sorry is my motto (or shoot first ask questions later). It's not like Saddam was a good leader anyway...he killed his opposition, starved his people, drove his economy down the drain, committed genocide on the Kurds just because he didn't like them, oh and dont forget the good ole 1 on 1 sessions in the interrogation rooms *sarcasm*.

But really, we in the United States are never happy. We are happy when were at peace, then when something like 9/11 happens and threatens our whole National Security, people cry out for blood. No matter what the President or our politicians do its a lose-lose situation.

People ask, "Why Iraq?" Well let me see, I mentioned the stuff Saddam was doing to his own people above, he wasnt cooperating with the UN Weapon Inspectors, and for all we know he COULD have had WMDs. If we hadnt gone in there we would have never known and would have always thought about it in the back of our mind. "Oh, I wonder if Saddam is going to launch a dirty bomb at us today..."

If Saddam had complied with the UN we would have never gone in...Syria wasn't complying with us and Weapons Inspectors, but they were anxious to talk after they saw how we destroyed Iraq in a few weeks. Not that they stayed that way, Israel ended up bombing a reactor anyway....but thats another story.


Who ever asked what 9/11 had to do with Iraq? Well, Iraq was harboring terrorist training grounds. Just like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Although we wont attack SA because of oil, and maybe we will attack Pakistan if they keep jerking us around.