[DENIED] Adjusting rule to vouching

I understand completely and sort of agree with it. I wish there was something we could do to prevent middlemen from vouching, however. I posted this suggestion because I witnessed it myself today. A guy had farmed a few low vouches (x2 from middleman vouches) and then attempted to scam people (or atleast was being very sketchy). But yeah, I do understand the other points people are making.

They can just farm vouches any other way lol, Do free services, Buy and sell for same rate there's so many methods i don't think this is going to change anything imo

 

They can just farm vouches any other way lol, Do free services, Buy and sell for same rate there's so many methods i don't think this is going to change anything imo

Yes, but they actually have to work for those. A middleman giving them a vouch is basically a +1 for free. I get what you're saying though, this most likely won't pass lol

 

[b1b]

Or if somebody uses my services to donate to Sythe, should they also not receive a vouch as they are not being trusted with anything.

How are you conflating the issue of double dipping versus a vouch's deservedness?

 

[BUILD]

I agree that when a middleman is used, the middleman should not vouch.
Reason being, the people are not putting trust into eachother, they are trusting the middleman.

With that logic, it now gets conflicting because one might argue nobody should be vouched except the middleman..

There are many ways for people to farm vouches & make themselves seem trusted easily.

I believe in quality over quantity, everyone else should do the same.

 

[Sillymonkey]

I don't see this suggestion changing anything. It doesn't matter how many vouches someone has - it's the content of the vouch/trade that matters.

I could be interested in dealing with someone and their thread could mention they have 2k vouches....I'm still going to visit their vouch thread to check the quality of their vouches because there are a lot of easy ways to get vouches that require little or no actual investment.

People that are going to judge vouches off face value ("Oh you have 30 vouches and I have 5 so you're more trustworthy") without looking at what those vouches are for are setting themselves up for an eventual fall regardless of what rules you put in place.

 

I don't see this suggestion changing anything. It doesn't matter how many vouches someone has - it's the content of the vouch/trade that matters.

I could be interested in dealing with someone and their thread could mention they have 2k vouches....I'm still going to visit their vouch thread to check the quality of their vouches because there are a lot of easy ways to get vouches that require little or no actual investment.

People that are going to judge vouches off face value ("Oh you have 30 vouches and I have 5 so you're more trustworthy") without looking at what those vouches are for are setting themselves up for an eventual fall regardless of what rules you put in place.

The thing is, they do take vouches at face value. Your point of setting themselves up for a fall if they're taking vouches at face value is exactly why this SHOULD be implemented, as it'll reduce the amount of vouches someone has. I don't see any reason as to why a middleman would have to vouch buyer and seller.

 

[Sillymonkey]

The thing is, they do take vouches at face value. Your point of setting themselves up for a fall if they're taking vouches at face value is exactly why this SHOULD be implemented, as it'll reduce the amount of vouches someone has. I don't see any reason as to why a middleman would have to vouch buyer and seller.

One argument for middlemen vouching is that someone offering the service isn't inherently trustworthy (there's a scam report up at the moment where a middleman logged out after receiving a trade). The exception I'd allow for this is OMM, simply due to the massive amount of work that goes into becoming one.

The point above was me playing Devil's Advocate, obviously. I get where you're coming from. I just feel that there are already so many things that devalue vouches that getting rid of this won't have a meaningful impact.

 

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It is a very small benefit to using middlemen in trades, and it's also no guarantee the middleman will vouch for the trades. This is something we will never be forbidding