Communism..Good or bad?

I think history has proven the ill effects of communism. As said, a great idea on paper, but when put into effect human nature throws off the balance. People want to advance, want power, want wealth. Communism does not offer it, so in my opinion, it will eventually fail.

 

The want to strive is important in many cases, but striving can mean more then money. The power to balance peoples lives in your hand is power, and advancing in education is still good instead of social class, the only thing that isn't offered is wealth and money causes so many problems anyway.


Also I hate when people say history will repeat itself like all democratic forms of government succeeded in the smaller countries that tried.

 

It doesn't matter where people are born, their family, how they grew up, or anything. People that live rich, posh lives fail and people that have nothing succeed. Using the US as an example, what about the immigrants who came here with nothing, some without the ability to speak English, and make a life for themselves. Capitalism is all about PERSONAL MOTIVATION. If you're willing to work harder than the next guy, you'll get more. If people who have very little when they're younger choose to use it as an excuse or reason to not try, that's their problem.

A 3.4 GPA isn't that good. Just because he didn't want to work harder, take out a loan, or work jobs while taking classes doesn't mean I should have to -pay for it. MANY people work multiple jobs as a student. He could have, and should have joined them, but he CHOSE to not, and as such, deserves less than the students that do take out loans and work during college to pay for it.

Just because you're a sucker doesn't mean everyone has to be.

Oh, I see, because the USA is the only capitalist nation. As for the latter part, feel free to make your own Amish spin-off where you do that, but sadly, communism doesn't meet your odd needs either.

Just because you have good intentions doesn't mean everyone does. Anyone can make a life for themselves, they just have to work for it. If people don't want to, well frankly that's there problem.

 

so you are saying if you get a 3.4 gpa then you didnt work that hard? what if they gave it there all, studied day and night but still ended up with a 3.4 gpa? i agree that we all shouldnt have to pay for it, but you should be willing to help your fellow man, in a time of need.

 

Capitalism is not designed to kill the earth. If it does as a by-product, oh well. The Earth is not a living entity. It will survive.

So, if you could decide, you'd undo a massive chunk of science's progress, without regard to the fact that science improves lives?

 

If they can't achieve more than a 3.4 working day and night, it's not a "time of need", it's a "life of need". People with 3.4 GPAs can do better than a janitor, and could easily work a second job if need be. In order to keep their kids out of Detroit Public Schools, the parents of some kids at my school work 4 jobs to cover living expenses plus tuition. I have to work in order to help my parents pay for mine. I did well for years in DPS, others at my school choose to not. Some didn't care, some dealt drugs, and to be quite honest some died before graduation. We only recently moved out of the area, and now live in a relatively nicer area, but I still benefit from a change in venue when it comes to schools. Now, back to my point. People get what they deserve. The concept that some guy that sits on his ass all day and as a result cleans up after someone that applied themself more, deserves the same as these kids and parents who make the best of their circumstance and succeed deserve the same reward is repulsive. I understand the want to help people that can't help themselves. Give to an orphanage, great! Give to organizations that provides mentors or help with young kids that have family issues, awesome. Organizations like Red Cross, St. Jude's, or other such places that help people overcome problems that are caused by nature, both physical and medical, are awesome places to give your time and money. These people aren't responsible for some/all of their difficulties, and deserve time and money. Call me crazy, but a 7 year old with cancer deserves your attention a whole lot more than that janitor.

 

Ok, so imagine this :

a family, living on minimum wage, has a daughter. That girl is a very pretty girl, and is taught the rights and wrongs of life. Not to steal, lie, etc. When she is at age 10 she develops lung cancer. Her family cannot pay for the treatment she needs. You just let the girl die?

Now by what you are saying, that if a mother/father does bad in school, then that is there fault, and i agree with that. BUT should the girl suffer because of what her parents did when they were in school? Should you let the girl die?

Thats my opinion.

And when you say give to organizations, thats basically what you are doing when you help people out. Im not going to walk down the street, hand a guy that is poor a $100 bill and walk off. I will see to it that a good charity gets it and distributes it where needed.

 

Actually, im in between anarchy and communism. for all of you who do not know what the real term of anarchy is, is that the world would be lead by the people. they were basically "modern day" terrorist. they picked off world leaders, hoping that they could destory the government and let the people run it.

both seem good ideas, but then they turn out bad.

and yeah i kinda figured the cancer thing was a bad idea, but what i was trying to get at, is should the girl suffer because of her parents choices?

 

hmm

dont know if i agree with you on there..

but oh well.

 

The thing is, though, that in the instance of the girl with cancer, we're not talking about everybody stealing from everybody else. We're talking about just this one instance.

Just with regard to this one instance, why is it morally wrong?

 

Obviously Communism is terrible. My father had to live with Communism, and he says it was the worst possible thing to endure. Communism on paper sounds like a great thing, but it does not work out in the end.

Communism is terrible, fair and simple. Your full of crap if you say It's good.

 

I never said it was good, i just said it sounded good.

 

that is why you set standards. you dont just go out, giving moeny to anyone that asks. you have to have a certain agreement before you do give out said money.

 

That makes sense if you're talking about society forcing the wealthy to help the needy, but I'm talking about the needy stealing from the wealthy. If I steal from a rich person to pay my medical bills, and nobody finds out, no precedent is set.