Circumcisions, Your thoughts?

[malakadang]

Mutilating a person that is incapable of defending himself without his permission.

How about an adult wanting to be circumcised? Does anything change; is it then ok?

 

[SuF]

How about an adult wanting to be circumcised? Does anything change; is it then ok?

Sure. They have to deal with the consequences of their own actions and they can, unlike a child who had it forced upon them.

 

[malakadang]

Sure. They have to deal with the consequences of their own actions and they can, unlike a child who had it forced upon them.

Alright, so, mutilation is not the main problem. The main problem would be consent.

Would you desex a dog? Would you vaccinate a child? If the answer is yes, then what other reasons do you have aside from consent?

 

[Zerkerfist]

I think a long time ago that circumcision was performed because otherwise, you were running a health risk. That excuse just doesn't fly these days anymore though. We live in a society where it is becoming increasingly evident that circumcision is cruel & unnecessary, and many children do not want to be unnecessarily mutilated at birth. That is a part of your body that you will never get back, and yes there are many risks.

Check out this famous case of a guy named 'David Reimer'. He lost his penis during a horrible circumcision accident, and so his parents decided to raise him as a girl and sexually reassign his gender. As you can imagine, he lived a pretty terrible life and committed suicide during his adult life. This is a link to a Wiki article about him, but there is much more information if you google his name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

As long as parents educate their children about how to properly clean themselves when they are no circumcised, then I don't see why it should EVER pose a health risk, or a problem at all. The only circumstance that would beg to differ is if somebody suffers from "phimosis", which is an unnatural tightness of the foreskin. Often this can be reduced over time with exercises until the foreskin pulls back freely and effortlessly, but other times a circumcision is necessary. I actually have a friend who had phimosis in highschool, and was circumsised just a few years ago at 17 or 18 years old. For him, it was very necessary as it was a health risk and he was embarrased and ashamed of his penis before the procedure was performed.

 

[kmjt]

I was circumcised as a baby and have never had any regrets (I am glad it was done). But I don't really agree with not having the choice. I guess a parent knows best.

 

[DaltyF]

It's done at birth, because it's easier to do it at a young age. It becomes more dangerous when the subject gets older.

 

[SuF]

Alright, so, mutilation is not the main problem. The main problem would be consent.

Would you desex a dog? Would you vaccinate a child? If the answer is yes, then what other reasons do you have aside from consent?

Vaccines have a purpose; circumcision does not in the modern world.

It's done at birth, because it's easier to do it at a young age. It becomes more dangerous when the subject gets older.

It is dangerous as an infant as well and it serves no purpose. Why put extra risk on a baby when you don't have to?

 

[malakadang]

Vaccines have a purpose; circumcision does not in the modern world.

I'll assume your answer to be yes. So, consent is not the be all end all, and mutilating is not the be all end all. What is this purpose in simpler terms?

It is dangerous as an infant as well and it serves no purpose. Why put extra risk on a baby when you don't have to?

There is additional risk for vaccination also: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

I could ask you the same question. Remember, circumcision does have some medical benefits, does it not?

 

[DaltyF]

There's just one thing I've always heard about and wandered about. I've heard being uncircumcised causes some males to develop some types of psychotics. Like make them crazy. Anyone have any knowledge of this?

 

[paypalwiz]

There's just one thing I've always heard about and wandered about. I've heard being uncircumcised causes some males to develop some types of psychotics. Like make them crazy. Anyone have any knowledge of this?

That lie was developed to scare parents into doing it. That right there should be enough to tell you how fucked up the people were that started this outside of the jewish religion. Oh btw the guy on the first page talking about studies that if your cut lowers your chance for stds. well studies show that The USA has the highest std rate and the highest circumcision rate. england has the lowest std rate with the lowest circumcision rate. studies are fun arnt they . It's a awful thing to do to a baby. How could a parent sit there and watch a baby be mutilated? seriously go google all the child deaths and amputations. There was just recently a man committed suicide because his parents got him circumcised as a baby and his was cut so badly he never recovered.

 

[Tyro]

Cutting sensitive body parts from newborns can't be defended. This laceration takes time to heal, all the while trapped in a diaper filled with waste. Bleeding. Infections. Trauma. Hundreds of baby boys die every year in America due to circumcision.

 

I personally wouldn't want it removed. I'm happy with how I am, and have no problems.

If someone else wants to take a scalpel to the penis, then so be it. It's not my place to make comments on such a matter.

 

[bad_moose]

I think that it's wrong to do it to babies. Why should they have their body mutilated because someone else deems it necessary? If you reach an age where you are responsible and able to make decisions for yourself then you should be given the choice to be circumcised or not, I don't think it's a decision for someone to make for you when you are too young to have a say. Unless there is going to be a significant medical consequence for the child if they are not circumcised their penis's should be left well and truly alone. Personally I'd be really angry if my parents had decided that I should have part of my knob chopped off without my consent. >_<

 

[DaltyF]

Overall interesting thread guys. I myself am happy I am still intact. It was embarrassing younger, but then again, I was uneducated on the matter.

 

[paypalwiz]

Whats funny is that the reasoning of doing it at such a young age is because when you are old enough to make the decision there is no way in hell youd let someone cut your dick. thats why they do it to babies. Imagine if someone cut a chunk of your dick off. they do it to babies on the regular.

 

[DarkSpark]

What's so horrendous about it? It's akin to piercing or tattooing minus the small health benefits.

Yep it is mutilation like all those things, however this is mutilation, even torture as you are doing it without the childs consent.

Mutilating a person that is incapable of defending himself without his permission.

We don't need this as we can spot jews from their fugly faces already.

I want to laugh, but i might get banned >.>

Would you desex a dog? Would you vaccinate a child? If the answer is yes, then what other reasons do you have aside from consent?

a vaccination is hardly a surgical procedure to remove part of a childs genitals, is that really something you can compare it to, let alone a dog ?

There's just one thing I've always heard about and wandered about. I've heard being uncircumcised causes some males to develop some types of psychotics. Like make them crazy. Anyone have any knowledge of this?

lol

Whats funny is that the reasoning of doing it at such a young age is because when you are old enough to make the decision there is no way in hell youd let someone cut your dick. thats why they do it to babies. Imagine if someone cut a chunk of your dick off. they do it to babies on the regular.

yeah, exactly so if an adult would be unwilling to let it happen why force a child to ?

 

[malakadang]

Yep it is mutilation like all those things, however this is mutilation, even torture as you are doing it without the childs consent.

Without the childs consent...

a vaccination is hardly a surgical procedure to remove part of a childs genitals, is that really something you can compare it to, let alone a dog ?

You want to stab a child without their consent?

What is the other reason besides consent?

 

[rue]

Someone should at least post some historical, religious background on the procedure. I do believe this was condemned by the Roman Catholic church at one period. However, I know for a fact it was heavily practiced in Egypt. In my opinion, it's obeying God's orders, I'm circumcised and nothing negative has occurred because of it. Take five minutes to read Genesis 17 thoroughly, it's an excellent read regardless of your standpoint.

Genesis 17

The Covenant of Circumcision

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty[a]; walk before me faithfully and be blameless. 2 Then I will make my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers.”
3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham,[c] for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

15 God also said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.”

17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”

19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that very day. 27 And every male in Abraham’s household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.

Side notes:
Genesis 17:1 Hebrew El-Shaddai
Genesis 17:5 Abram means exalted father.
Genesis 17:5 Abraham probably means father of many.
Genesis 17:19 Isaac means he laughs.

 

[paypalwiz]

Someone should at least post some historical, religious background on the procedure. I do believe this was condemned by the Roman Catholic church at one period. However, I know for a fact it was heavily practiced in Egypt. In my opinion, it's obeying God's orders, I'm circumcised and nothing negative has occurred because of it. Take five minutes to read Genesis 17 thoroughly, it's an excellent read regardless of your standpoint.


Side notes:
Genesis 17:1 Hebrew El-Shaddai
Genesis 17:5 Abram means exalted father.
Genesis 17:5 Abraham probably means father of many.
Genesis 17:19 Isaac means he laughs.

Ok so you follow the bible to the letter huh. I bet you'd kill your son if your "god" told you to do so. That sir is the act of psychosis.

 

[DarkSpark]

Without the childs consent...

You want to stab a child without their consent?

What is the other reason besides consent?

my main reason is hardly consent, although it certainly plays a part.

Also "Stabbing" a child to prevent them from life threatening illness is hardly comparable to giving them a shiny skinless knob(or killing them who knows which thats what makes it exciting) through the pointless removal of something that 'doesn't matter anyway.

I view self mutilation to be bad in any way and likewise do i view pointless mutilation of ones own child. One day when you are a parent you will understand... If you still want to slice you kids dick then i feel for you.