Circumcisions, Your thoughts?

[Turin]

Just because it has medical merit doesn't mean people are doing it because of the medical benefit. They are doing it because it's a cultural and religious norm.

If you don't know what an ex post facto justification is (which you clearly don't because you think I'm questioning the medical validity of circumcision) then don't try to argue against my point.

By your logic , I should kill people, steal from people, and have tons of gay sex because it against most religous norms.

EDIT: Telling people not to argue against you isn't what this forum , an intelligent debate forum, is for.

EDIT2: Not to put words in Nero's mouth, and please correct me if I am wrong. I don't think he is concerned with the religous norms, because the positives of the procedure highly outweigh not having it done.

 

[aznguy94]

Why are you stigmatizing it just because it is a religious practice? It has more medical benefit then it does have negative consequences unless someone can prove me wrong.

Trust me, I know what ex post facto is.

I don't care whether it is medically beneficial or not. It's still an ex post facto justification for mutilating a newborns based on cultural or religious principles.

And even if you claim it prevents infections in the future, that's a bullshit argument. You deal with the problem when (or if) it comes. You wouldn't suggest we give newborns appendectomies in case they might get appendicitis in the future, would you?

 

[aznguy94]

By your logic , I should kill people, steal from people, and have tons of gay sex because it against most religous norms.

What the fuck? I'm ignoring you from now on because clearly you either can't read or can't form a legitimate argument. Either way, you're not worth responding to.

 

[Emperor Nero]

You aren't even making logical points now. I am not even arguing the religious significance of it, as religious significance doesn't even matter to me. You are just repeating yourself now. When you think of a better argument then come back.

Edit:
Also by your logic we should take in all of the carcinogens we want and deal with cancer when we get it? We shouldn't prevent medical problems, just deal with them?

 

[Ivy Bridge]

So why do you wish not? Is it because you don't want to follow 'mainstream religion'? The surgery when you get old enough is painful and a noncircumsized penis can cause many serious health risks later in life. I just don't see how the cons out weight the pros. It seems like most people here at sythe only argue against it because it is/was a religious practice.

No.. the religious obligations was not even my main point in my post. You're seeing what you want to see in my argument.

Hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of men go on to live healthy lives with uncircumcised penises. You make it out like if you leave it uncircumcised, you'll get an infection and die for sure, no exceptions whatsoever lol. I have a problem with having a piece of my body removed without my permission, is that not enough justification? What more do I need? It's one thing if it was causing me issues, then I would have no problem with it.. but it was removed without my consent and I will never know what it is like to have my foreskin. I don't modify my body, the only body mods I have are my ears pierced at 20g, which would easily close up if I so desired. By your logic, we might as well remove our tonsils and appendixes at birth as well as they serve no function and can only lead to health problems in the future in some cases. Just like with tonsils and appendixes, the odds of a health issue occurring as a result of the foreskin are overwhelmingly unlikely. As for transmission rates, that may be relevant to certain individuals who go around fucking anything with a willing hole, but I myself have always practiced safe sex with people I know for a fact do as well. I can teach my son to do the same, the point is pretty invalid for my purposes. Pain is hardly an excuse to do it at birth either, I experience pain to this day as a result of my circumcision. After all, the purpose of the foreskin is to protect the sensitive head... not to get too personal, but certain underwear irritate my penis because it is unprotected. Plus, babies experience pain. I fail to see how just because they can't remember it means the pain is negligible. If a baby was in pain, most people's natural instinct would be to try to soothe the baby. Why cause the pain at all if it may not even be necessary? If it is, then so be it, but depriving the boy of the choice is just wrong IMO. I wouldn't want my son to wind up like me, wishing he knew what it was like. Argue it from whatever side/pov you want, but my body is my body and permanently removing a part of it without my permission is not cool with me, the only exception being if it was actually threatening my life.

 

[Emperor Nero]

No.. the religious obligations was not even my main point in my post. You're seeing what you want to see in my argument.

Hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of men go on to live healthy lives with uncircumcised penises. You make it out like if you leave it uncircumcised, you'll get an infection and die for sure, no exceptions whatsoever lol. I have a problem with having a piece of my body removed without my permission, is that not enough justification? What more do I need? It's one thing if it was causing me issues, then I would have no problem with it.. but it was removed without my consent and I will never know what it is like to have my foreskin. I don't modify my body, the only body mods I have are my ears pierced at 20g, which would easily close up if I so desired. By your logic, we might as well remove our tonsils and appendixes at birth as well as they serve no function and can only lead to health problems in the future in some cases. Just like with tonsils and appendixes, the odds of a health issue occurring as a result of the foreskin are overwhelmingly unlikely. As for transmission rates, that may be relevant to certain individuals who go around fucking anything with a willing hole, but I myself have always practiced safe sex with people I know for a fact do as well. I can teach my son to do the same, the point is pretty invalid for my purposes. Pain is hardly an excuse to do it at birth either, I experience pain to this day as a result of my circumcision. After all, the purpose of the foreskin is to protect the sensitive head... not to get too personal, but certain underwear irritate my penis because it is unprotected.

I respect this argument. I am just looking for someone to argue with me logically. Thank you.

Though circumcisions not only prevent STD transmission and infections it also reduces cases of penile cancer and is generally better for hygiene. Preventative medicine is better than dealing with conditions when they happen. Preventing diseases, infections, and anything else would help with health care in the long run by lowering costs and increasing efficiency.

 

[aznguy94]

You aren't even making logical points now. I am not even arguing the religious significance of it, as religious significance doesn't even matter to me. You are just repeating yourself now. When you think of a better argument then come back.

Edit:
Also by your logic we should take in all of the carcinogens we want and deal with cancer when we get it? We shouldn't prevent medical problems, just deal with them?

I'm repeating myself because you're missing the point and I don't know how to make it any more clear...

Does not taking in carcinogens involve violating the right to self ownership by cutting off part of an infant's body? And taking in carcinogens is a decision for yourself, not for someone else. If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about mutilating infants. I don't give two shits whether as an adult you want to chop off parts of your penis or not.

 

[Turin]

I'm repeating myself because you're missing the point and I don't know how to make it any more clear...

Does not taking in carcinogens involve violating the right to self ownership by cutting off part of an infant's body? And taking in carcinogens is a decision for yourself, not for someone else. If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about mutilating infants. I don't give two shits whether as an adult you want to chop off parts of your penis or not.

That's up to the parents, not the infant.

 

[ClazzD]

circumcision is fine for religion and cultural reasons
but circumcision because your girlfriend doesn't like foreskin is just a big no no

 

[SuF]

I respect this argument. I am just looking for someone to argue with me logically. Thank you.

Though circumcisions not only prevent STD transmission and infections it also reduces cases of penile cancer and is generally better for hygiene. Preventative medicine is better than dealing with conditions when they happen. Preventing diseases, infections, and anything else would help with health care in the long run by lowering costs and increasing efficiency.

The medical argument has no merit in a first world country. If we are talking about Africa, fine, cut them all off because it might actually help them later in life due to the lack of any other sort of medicine and preventative care. However, if you are talking about a first world country where you can get a condom basically anywhere and you will be able to wash everyday, there is absolutely no reason to be circumcised as you can just as easily take preventive steps (that work much better) for all the issues circumcision helps with.

 

[Grykon]

the excess skins that's cut off is used in face creams and lotions.....kinda gross

 

[ForeverFresh]

There is a reason we get circumcised, its cleaner and less risk for infection. and it looks better..... ladies.

 

[Turin]

the excess skins that's cut off is used in face creams and lotions.....kinda gross

Source please ?

I think it should be up to the parents whether or not the child is circumcised.

 

[GrammarSyntax]

For some there are very important reasons for circumcision, may it be religion, medical reasons or whatever but to call it 'mutilating your body' is kinda heavy put. Isn't it proven to be cleaner and lesser chance to get infected?

Ah I see, a baby having its genitals mutilated in the name of a collection of hilarious desert stories must be an extremely good idea, it's not like the baby has no knowledge of what's happening, is it? Just incase your undeveloped brain can't process my response, I was being sarcastic.

 

[GrammarSyntax]

This is exactly how I feel about it ^

No troll, I agree with the part of SuF, but also why did god create us with a foreskin to have it cut off?

I also agree with Ivy. I want the chance at least to know if I am missing out on anything. I've read an article where a middle-aged man got circumcised and he said it felt better. I will also do the exact same thing with my son.

One of the cons is you can't masturbate several times in a row when you're circumcised. It just starts to hurt after the 2nd or third.

Has it ever occurred to you that "god" doesn't exist?

 

[DarkSpark]

Purposely mutilating your body for no reason isn't wrong?

yeah thats my thoughts. Torture is a crime as far as i am aware

I think this is some sensationalist claims. This isn't a cosmetic surgery it is used to cure some diseases and infections. There are also studies that show it decreases the chance of catching the HIV virus and many other STDs.

LOL it won't change the chance of catching HIV, and all you need to do is wash you cock every day to avoid other diseases and smells...

Uncircumsized penis looks gross and weird. I'd hate getting naked if I was uncircumsized. Even if I was/am in the minority by being cut, I'd still be laughing at guys in a locker room if they were uncut.

Other than that, a lot of parents that don't circumsize their kids don't even teach them how to properly clean their foreskin.

Oh, and to the guy that said sex is good with an uncut penis, for some/a lot of uncut guys it can be overly sensitive at times (like a woman's clit), and even when it isn't it's sensitivity can give you some nice two-thrust-bust (have fun with premature ejaculation, uncut guys!).

BAHAHAH is that how your parents convinced you it was ok by telling you that it will make you last longer ?

As for looks once its hard the skin pulls back fully i dont understand how you could actually get a hard on properly with that skin missing i swear mine would tear or something.

Has it ever occurred to you that "god" doesn't exist?

If god did exist though he wouldn't believe in the mutilation of kids

 

[DaltyF]

Uncircumsized penis looks gross and weird. I'd hate getting naked if I was uncircumsized. Even if I was/am in the minority by being cut, I'd still be laughing at guys in a locker room if they were uncut.

Other than that, a lot of parents that don't circumsize their kids don't even teach them how to properly clean their foreskin.

Oh, and to the guy that said sex is good with an uncut penis, for some/a lot of uncut guys it can be overly sensitive at times (like a woman's clit), and even when it isn't it's sensitivity can give you some nice two-thrust-bust (have fun with premature ejaculation, uncut guys!).

Wow, what an immature and uneducated response.

I am not circumsized. My parents never really went into any details about it, but I have always made sure to clean myself and everything. When I figured out what circumsizion was, I was embarrassed that I was uncut. I wouldn't show my flaccid penis to many girls, needless to say, it was a bit confusing when I was young.

Now, I'm glad that I am still intact. As stated above, sex is a bit more enjoyable versus a cut penis. A cut penis rubs around on your underwear over the years, and you lose most of the feeling in the head. Mine is pretty sensitive, but not over sensitive.

As to which looks better, thats merely opinionated. Girls prefer different things. I have been with my girlfriend for a while, and she loves my penis.

 

[malakadang]

What's so horrendous about it? It's akin to piercing or tattooing minus the small health benefits.

 

[Kabal]

What's so horrendous about it?

Mutilating a person that is incapable of defending himself without his permission.

 

[Pshynosis]

We don't need this as we can spot jews from their fugly faces already.