Boglas unban

[Apith]

The users Askillor and Logik Gaming worked together originally to frame me, so I was willing to help Bogla get unbanned in the hopes of having these users banned instead. They caused me to get fucked over in this situation.

May I ask how they tried to frame you? I see Eva kicking you off when you reported the PM you were getting. Then the proof they showed you was a simple 1 line PM from someone they don't know.

Please don't take the words "scammer" and "extortionist" seriously about you. I was trying to make a point to see what actual proof Bogla had aside from that 1 PM that warranted getting you kicked off the account, losing any gold you left on it, and then mistreating you like that.

 

[tazmanian pka]

May I ask how they tried to frame you? I see Eva kicking you off when you reported the PM you were getting. Then the proof they showed you was a simple 1 line PM from someone they don't know.

Please don't take the words "scammer" and "extortionist" seriously about you. I was trying to make a point to see what actual proof Bogla had aside from that 1 PM that warranted getting you kicked off the account, losing any gold you left on it, and then mistreating you like that.

The Pm's made to Bogla Arena were sent by Curtis & Isaiah. The account PMing Boglas Arena is owned by Curtis and Isaiah. (Askillor and Logik Gaming)
I understand that the main reason for kicking me off of the account was because they did not want to take any risks. However, I believe that the seizure of my gold and the way they dealt with the situation was wrong.

 

[Apith]

I just read your first post Tazmanian. I actually missed the long post and only saw the last 2 posts.

Bogla Eva decided to take the word of one of their repeat customers over my word which is understandable, but in the end I was the right one.

So Eva took the word of a repeat customer how? That the repeat customer was scammed by you? Or that he was the previous renter and didn't scam? Either way they almost benefited from kicking you off by taking the word of someone, and only didn't when you posted the report.

Bogla PMed me the next day stating that he wanted to refund me.

Was this after he was banned and the report was posted? Because it looked like he had the chance when he was in the chat, but did not such thing until action was taken on him on Sythe.

The Pm's made to Bogla Arena were sent by Curtis & Isaiah

I'm wondering what they were getting from that. They ended up breaking the ToS for streaming, so Im not sure what the point of accusing another renter to be a scammer was getting them.

I originally helped the Bogla Team get unbanned but now I'm having my doubts about the whole ordeal. Although it was a small amount of GP at issue, I was caught up in a big mess that I should not have been. It's fucked my up trading wise on sythe.

I created this thread because I'm one of the few that went through the chat logs and saw how they mistreated you and how they jumped to conclusions based on petty evidence. Ending up in essentially robbing you for what you left on the account, putting you in a very difficult spot and giving you a pretty bad experience where you walked out as one of the losers when you did nothing wrong. You'd most likely not get anything back had you not reported them is what I think. If you truly had 10.8M on the account, which you can't prove, then that's pretty low of them. As I'd have no doubt they'd log in after kicking you and pocket it before renting it to the next customer.

I really hope this does not deter you from using Sythe and continue trading. Account renting can be pretty tricky, and that is one of the small aspects of Sythe you shouldn't base your experience on.

 

[Alch]

Hi, I actually pmed kieran to pay him back prior to being banned (January 14th, 2:16am).

Also, the money involved in this situation is not going to be kept by me. As stated in the dispute, it will be donated to charity, as I have not earned it. Waiting till the book is fully closed on this situation in case a mod requests for it to be paid back.

When you make a mistake, you pay for it, there's a difference between being compensated for what was taken, and being compensated for what was taken, and the action itself, hence why we paid kieran a little extra for accidentally victimizing him. This isn't case specific, we offer discounts any time we're late on delivering, or extra staking time in some situations.

 

[tazmanian pka]

I just read your first post Tazmanian. I actually missed the long post and only saw the last 2 posts.



So Eva took the word of a repeat customer how? That the repeat customer was scammed by you? Or that he was the previous renter and didn't scam? Either way they almost benefited from kicking you off by taking the word of someone, and only didn't when you posted the report.




Was this after he was banned and the report was posted? Because it looked like he had the chance when he was in the chat, but did not such thing until action was taken on him on Sythe.



I'm wondering what they were getting from that. They ended up breaking the ToS for streaming, so Im not sure what the point of accusing another renter to be a scammer was getting them.



I created this thread because I'm one of the few that went through the chat logs and saw how they mistreated you and how they jumped to conclusions based on petty evidence. Ending up in essentially robbing you for what you left on the account, putting you in a very difficult spot and giving you a pretty bad experience where you walked out as one of the losers when you did nothing wrong.

I really hope this does not deter you from using Sythe and continue trading. Account renting can be pretty tricky, and that is one of the small aspects of Sythe you shouldn't base your experience on.

I'm not sure how to quote sections individually so I'll reply to them in order.
So the repeat customer confronted Eva claiming that I was commission staking on the account.
According to Eva, Curtis and Isaish had been renting account from them all day until I came along and rented the account before they renewed the amount of time wanted. They wanted me to be kicked off of the account so that they could get to streaming ASAP.(Maybe they had to go soon?) remember this is Eva's word.

I don't believe what Eva said. Being completely honest I believe that Eva was working with them in an attempt to scam me, but I guess I'll never know.


The PM sent to me by Bogla was after I posted my report but JUST before their team was banned. I believe the ban request was sent before he PMed me though.


As I just previously stated I believe that Eva may have been working with them in attempt to scam me as they were friends, but I have no proof.

There's not anything I can really do about this anymore. The Bogla team was very trusted and I thought I was friend with Eva for a while, so after this situation occuring I'm not sure if I can legitimately trust anyone else on here.

 

[Apith]

Hi, I actually pmed kieran to pay him back prior to being banned (January 14th, 2:16am).

Can I ask what changed your mind after the livechat experience? I mean I saw Eva telling him to report you, then when he does (with proof) I'm assuming that's when and how you PMed him.

Also, the money involved in this situation is not going to be kept by me. As stated in the dispute, it will be donated to charity, as I have not earned it. Waiting till the book is fully closed on this situation in case a mod requests for it to be paid back.

Alright, that's good to hear. Kieran mentioned he left 10.2M on the account's bank

I was refunded 2x my deposit and rental fee. I'm positive I had left 10.2M in the account's bank at the time, but their ingame account is now banned because of previous renters.

When you kicked him off does your staff not remember or take the gold out of the bank? I mean I highly doubt you kicked him, then it got banned before you could log in and check. I'm assuming after a trade, you transfer any wealth before renting it out again. Obviously there's no way for him to prove it either.

When you make a mistake, you pay for it, there's a difference between being compensated for what was taken, and being compensated for what was taken, and the action itself, hence why we paid kieran a little extra for accidentally victimizing him. This isn't case specific, we offer discounts any time we're late on delivering, or extra staking time in some situations.

I understand, but he still came out the loser if he actually did have 10.2M on the account. It's something he cannot prove. Normally I wouldn't take the word of someone I don't know, but he told the truth in the beginning after all.

 

[tazmanian pka]

As Eva stated they log into the account to make sure the whip and dds are on the account, they don't go into the accounts bank to check. So there's no way I prove that the gold is in the accounts bank :/

 

[tazmanian pka]

As Eva stated they log into the account to make sure the whip and dds are on the account, they don't go into the accounts bank to check. So there's no way I prove that the gold is in the accounts bank :/

Meant to say they don't go into the bank to check anything unless the whip and dds are not on the account when they first login**

 

[Apith]

I'm not sure how to quote sections individually so I'll reply to them in order.
So the repeat customer confronted Eva claiming that I was commission staking on the account.
According to Eva, Curtis and Isaish had been renting account from them all day until I came along and rented the account before they renewed the amount of time wanted. They wanted me to be kicked off of the account so that they could get to streaming ASAP.(Maybe they had to go soon?) remember this is Eva's word.

I don't believe what Eva said. Being completely honest I believe that Eva was working with them in an attempt to scam me, but I guess I'll never know.


The PM sent to me by Bogla was after I posted my report but JUST before their team was banned. I believe the ban request was sent before he PMed me though.


As I just previously stated I believe that Eva may have been working with them in attempt to scam me as they were friends, but I have no proof.

There's not anything I can really do about this anymore. The Bogla team was very trusted and I thought I was friend with Eva for a while, so after this situation occuring I'm not sure if I can legitimately trust anyone else on here.

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1789577-possible-twc-bogla-eva.html

You've had a previous not so positive experience with Eva as well. Now I don't know Eva or whoever kicked you off the account this time. Here's a question for Bogla. Is it possible one of your staff pocketed the 10M that was in the bank after they kicked tazmanian off? Or do you know what happened to it? Or do you think tazmanian is making it up trying to receive more compensation? Does your staff not look into the bank after they knowing kick a player off?

 

[tazmanian pka]

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1789577-possible-twc-bogla-eva.html

You've had a previous not so positive experience with Eva as well. Now I don't know Eva or whoever kicked you off the account this time. Here's a question for Bogla. Is it possible one of your staff pocketed the 10M that was in the bank after they kicked tazmanian off? Or do you know what happened to it? Or do you think tazmanian is making it up trying to receive more compensation?

That experience was a misunderstanding. During THAT situation Eva claimed to have accidently changed the password on the wrong account and I do believe her that it was a mistake.

 

[R2Pleasent]

Account rental is just a shit show and they should get rid of it. It's causing more problems than it's worth.

 

[Heeatz]

You're correct, however in this context it should not apply. This whole thing derived from a misunderstanding, which led to a 2x repayment and a content customer. I think this is being blown out of proportion.

We can sit here and speculate probable situations to plug in what might have actually happened, but it gets us nowhere. I'll play a scenario for you to show you what I mean.

Eva calls bogla
Eva shows bogla the "proof"
Bogla defends her (which is a natural reaction considering that's his worker)

What are you aiming for with this thread? The customer has been reimbursed, and twc isn't really an option. Should they have not paid anyone and stay banned? I don't get it.

I was refunded 2x my deposit and rental fee. I'm positive I had left 10.2M in the account's bank at the time, but their ingame account is now banned because of previous renters.

Where are you finding this reimbursement information from? His rental fee was 1.5m deposit what.. a mil? so hes received 2.5m in compensation, but lost 10m that no doubt Bogla took.

Fail to see why you're still backing Bogla up. Sketchy as fuck scenario. The sort of shit people get TWC'd for.

 

Where are you finding this reimbursement information from? His rental fee was 1.5m deposit what.. a mil? so hes received 2.5m in compensation, but lost 10m that no doubt Bogla took.

Fail to see why you're still backing Bogla up. Sketchy as fuck scenario. The sort of shit people get TWC'd for.

Because I'm being objective. He was reimbursed his deposit and rental fee, that's what I was talking about. The account is banned, so there is no way to prove what he left on the account, taz knows this as well. Why would a business with 1400+ vouches, an owner who has invested $500+ on sythe, aim to scam 10m? It's not logical. There is also a crackdown on shared and traded runescape accounts. The customer is content with the decision, so why the fuss?

 

[Tyler]

Because I'm being objective. He was reimbursed his deposit and rental fee, that's what I was talking about. The account is banned, so there is no way to prove what he left on the account, taz knows this as well. Why would a business with 1400+ vouches, an owner who has invested $500+ on sythe, aim to scam 10m? It's not logical. There is also a crackdown on shared and traded runescape accounts. The customer is content with the decision, so why the fuss?

The Bogla team also offered to refund before they were banned just to get rid of the hassle.

I have personally seen people use their accounts to scam people while livestreaming on twitch (which is why they changed their ToS in the first place to include no livestreaming)

 

[tazmanian pka]

The Bogla team also offered to refund before they were banned just to get rid of the hassle.

I have personally seen people use their accounts to scam people while livestreaming on twitch (which is why they changed their ToS in the first place to include no livestreaming)

I'm sorry, what the hell are you talking about?
I never livestreamed on the account and I never commission staked, and Bogla can confirm this himself. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about

 

I'm sorry, what the hell are you talking about?
I never livestreamed on the account and I never commission staked, and Bogla can confirm this himself. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about

He wasn't talking about you specifically. Like you said, there are people who rented the account prior to you.

 

[tazmanian pka]

As Apith stated in his original post he wants to see a staffs opinion on this.
Now that I've had a clear head and have looked back at the events I would like to have a staffs opinion on this as well. Someone other than Blade. I messaged blade over skype about this issue multiple times and he ignored it.

 

[nodnarbusn]

Account rental is just a shit show and they should get rid of it. It's causing more problems than it's worth.

This. I thought acc rental wasnt allowed on sythe after all this sort of bullshit.

 

[Apith]

Because I'm being objective. He was reimbursed his deposit and rental fee, that's what I was talking about. The account is banned, so there is no way to prove what he left on the account, taz knows this as well. Why would a business with 1400+ vouches, an owner who has invested $500+ on sythe, aim to scam 10m? It's not logical. There is also a crackdown on shared and traded runescape accounts. The customer is content with the decision, so why the fuss?

Here's a question for Bogla. Is it possible one of your staff pocketed the 10M that was in the bank after they kicked tazmanian off? Or do you know what happened to it? Or do you think tazmanian is making it up trying to receive more compensation? Does your staff not look into the bank after they knowing kick a player off?

Besides, you'd be surprised what humans would do if they knew they could get away with it. It's like in the gaming scene, people who turned gaming into their jobs have been caught throwing for money. Obviously they didn't believe they would get caught because the backlash and punishments when caught heavily outweighs whatever reward they get.

 

Besides, you'd be surprised what humans would do if they knew they could get away with it. It's like in the gaming scene, people who turned gaming into their jobs have been caught throwing for money. Obviously they didn't believe they would get caught because the backlash and punishments when caught heavily outweighs whatever reward they get.

Just saying, I rented their acc once and I had ~150m 07 on their in the invent as I was staking, one if their workers accidentally changed the pw to the wrong acc which booted me off, they could have easily taken the 150m and I would have 0 proof against them. But they are better then that and nothing was touched. They were probably in a bad mood because of what happened to their previous accs, and were more suspicious then usual. So OP, what you are saying is that they should get banned for 6 months because of a simple mistake?

Risk vs Reward

It's not logical to risk their business in the off chance that they can get away with it, especially for a small amount. The idea is more believable if it was a single player shop. I don't doubt it happening, just not in this instance. We're beating a dead horse at this point.