Boglas unban

[Apith]

I find the staff's decision to unban them so quickly rather poorly thought out. Mainly because of this report.

Here's a few highlights:

Their proof:

gyazo.com/6aaf8f10b257a09d11a8ca46bf0cb121

And the icing:

In the end they pay him back double the deposit and rental fee.

I was refunded 2x my deposit and rental fee. I'm positive I had left 10.2M in the account's bank at the time, but their ingame account is now banned because of previous renters.

Now you guys chose to take Bogla's word over that guy, who was already wrongly accused. Bogla's team booted him off, obviously they would know how much the account had left. Yet they decided not to factor that in his refund. They only paid him back because he got banned. Why did they refund him and not stand by their initial decision? After all this is what Eva said

we have more then enough proof sorry

That part alone sounds like they would scam if they could get away with it, which they couldn't. And what happens to the scammer and extortionist? Why don't they submit their proof to staff instead of letting that guy roam Sythe freely. Or did they just decide they can screw a guy over because they can, until he gave staff the chat log from their site which Bogla had access to himself along with the evidence from Eva yet ultimately stood by his worker and almost screwing the guy over if he didn't know about Sythe or closed the chat and lost the log. Maybe this is the first case that we've heard, and there could be more we haven't heard of.

 

[bogla muffy]

you seem to have confused the topics ... http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/1795380-bogla-team.html#post14280944 was what we were banned for


http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1794990-bogla-team.html was some other drama that was sorted as you can see in his topic

 

[Apith]

you seem to have confused the topics ... http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/1795380-bogla-team.html#post14280944 was what we were banned for


http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1794990-bogla-team.html was some other drama that was sorted as you can see in his topic

Your point? Why did you guys end up paying him back if you had enough proof as you claimed?

 

[Wonderland]

I agree with the unban. The live chat representative is sketchy, but that's because her english is questionable. Maybe she genuinely believed what was said in the proof provided, that you cannot be sure about. There just isn't enough proof to keep them banned.

When you say booted, do you mean ddosed? I believe when the password is changed, it automatically logs off whoever is on the account.

I see no problem in the repayment. Looks like a compromise between the customer and business.

 

[Apith]

I agree with the unban. The live chat representative is sketchy, but that's because her english is questionable. Maybe she genuinely believed what was said in the proof provided, that you cannot be sure about. There just isn't enough proof to keep them banned.

When you say booted, do you mean ddosed? I believe when the password is changed, it automatically logs off whoever is on the account.

I see no problem in the repayment. Looks like a compromise between the customer and business.

Kicked off the account. Which meant he was staking and most likely had gold on it to stake with. The repayment isn't the main issue, it's why did they end up paying that dude back if they had enough proof as they claimed? And only after they were banned. I mean they were innocent right? Why pay back a scammer and someone who was trying to extort money from them by reporting them on Sythe? If I was dealing with a scammer and someone was trying to get money off me, I'd tell them to F*** off and I wouldn't give in and let them win by giving them money. Why don't they report him with their "proof"?

 

[Wonderland]

Kicked off the account. Which meant he was staking, and most likely had gold on it to stake with. The repayment isn't the main issue, it's why did they end up paying that dude back if they had enough proof as they claimed? And only after they were banned. I mean they were innocent right? Why pay back a scammer and someone who was trying to extort money from them by reporting them on Sythe?

Looks like a misunderstanding with the live chat representative. You have to take what Eva said with a grain of salt in this situation. Should the whole business be held accountable for what she claimed? It's professionalism gone wrong.

 

[Farcast]

Looks like a misunderstanding with the live chat representative. You have to take what Eva said with a grain of salt in this situation. Should the whole business be held accountable for what she claimed? It's professionalism gone wrong.

That's how partnerships tend to work.

 

[Wonderland]

That's how partnerships tend to work.

You're correct, however in this context it should not apply. This whole thing derived from a misunderstanding, which led to a 2x repayment and a content customer. I think this is being blown out of proportion.

 

[Apith]

Looks like a misunderstanding with the live chat representative. You have to take what Eva said with a grain of salt in this situation. Should the whole business be held accountable for what she claimed? It's professionalism gone wrong.

Bogla was in the chat, he stood by her and defended her. Surely he's seen sufficient evidence to make him back Eva up. But why would they refund him? Because if they had proof, then that guy is a scammer, and they let him successfully extort money from them.

 

[Wonderland]

Bogla was in the chat, he stood by her and defended her. Surely he's seen sufficient evidence to make him back Eva up. But why would they refund him? Because if they had proof, then that guy is a scammer, and they let him successfully extort money from them.

We can sit here and speculate probable situations to plug in what might have actually happened, but it gets us nowhere. I'll play a scenario for you to show you what I mean.

Eva calls bogla
Eva shows bogla the "proof"
Bogla defends her (which is a natural reaction considering that's his worker)

What are you aiming for with this thread? The customer has been reimbursed, and twc isn't really an option. Should they have not paid anyone and stay banned? I don't get it.

 

[Apith]

You're correct, however in this context it should not apply. This whole thing derived from a misunderstanding, which led to a 2x repayment and a content customer. I think this is being blown out of proportion.

I'm not expecting a ban solely because of this if you're wondering. I'm wondering how staff unbanned him so quickly, it doesn't sound like they took this into account. Yes, the customer is content but have you ever been scammed? You get this feeling that you just got fucked over and can't do much about it. Then the scammer pities you and gives you some, most, or all back and whatever the amount you are happy with, mainly because you were at rockbottom for a bit making it easier for you to be content, you'd be ecstatic if you got everything back after that feeling. Especially when you know the scammer didn't have to and wouldn't have faced any repercussions.

 

[Apith]

We can sit here and speculate probable situations to plug in what might have actually happened, but it gets us nowhere. I'll play a scenario for you to show you what I mean.

Eva calls bogla
Eva shows bogla the "proof"
Bogla defends her (which is a natural reaction considering that's his worker)

What are you aiming for with this thread? The customer has been reimbursed, and twc isn't really an option. Should they have not paid anyone and stay banned? I don't get it.

My aim is staff's quick decision to unban him. Maybe a TWC.

Should they have not paid anyone and stay banned?

My point is they probably wouldn't have paid it back if they knew they could get away with it. If they didn't have sufficient proof, then they just decided they can screw someone over based on insufficient evidence given to them by their worker and benefit at the same time. What if they actually had proof? They're failing to report the scammer and extortionist and he's currently on Sythe if they have proof. Did staff look into that? Or is this "scammer and extortionist" allowed to roam Sythe freely now?

Bogla defends her (which is a natural reaction considering that's his worker)

Do you really think someone like Arcus or R2P would defend their worker based on an insufficient 1 line evidence that came from someone they never heard of or talked to? I'm willing to guarantee you that those 2 users are at the top of the market because their workers act professionally. In an event like this they would hear both sides and not just theirs and side with theirs instantly without solid proof.

 

[funbox]

From what i've read, this isn't asking for bogla to be banned but to be punished in a form because they tried to blackmail the said user via saying "we have proof"

correct me if i'm wrong

 

[Apith]

From what i've read, this isn't asking for bogla to be banned but to be punished in a form because they tried to blackmail the said user via saying "we have proof"

correct me if i'm wrong

Blackmail isn't the exact term but I see where you are coming from. More like they were bluffing they had proof so he wouldn't bother reporting them. It just sounded like they accused an innocent of doing a bad deed and telling him to report them. When the user reports them, instead of fighting it, they just refund him. If they were sure enough that he was the scammer by keeping the deposit and gold on the account (if any), why did they choose to refund him and not fight the report to get the scammer banned?

 

[funbox]

Blackmail isn't the exact term but I see where you are coming from. More like they were bluffing they had proof so he wouldn't bother reporting them. It just sounded like they accused an innocent of doing a bad deed and telling him to report them. When the user reports them, instead of fighting it, they just refund him. If they were sure enough that he was the scammer by keeping the deposit and gold on the account (if any), why did they choose to refund him and not fight the report to get the scammer banned?

probably because it was such a small amount,also what happened to the guy who lost 141M 07, did they refund him too or did they evade that?

 

[Apith]

probably because it was such a small amount,also what happened to the guy who lost 141M 07, did they refund him too or did they evade that?

I'm not sure about that, he did end up getting banned however. Ironically the accused scammer posted that about the guy that lost 141M.

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1795550-askillor.html

 

[bataman]

That eva chick sounds like a scammer, my friend says he bought gp from them but fuck that. No MM = no trade broski

 

[tazmanian pka]

So I figure I should probably post on this topic considering I'm involved in this mess.

I rented their account for an hour to stake. I've rented their accounts multiple times before and I did have one issue with them before but it was a misunderstanding. I rented the account from Bogla Joe.

During the 25-30 minutes I had rented the account, I received tons of PMs from people claiming that I had scammed them and I also received PMs from people asking me if I could stake for them and if I could open my stream again.

I was confused because I never streamed and I'd never accepted gold from another player except for my mule.

I went onto Bogla's livechat to tell them that I believe the renter previous to me was streaming and scammed some people. Next thing I know, Bogla Eva replies and says "Banned from service." and leaves the chat.

I started getting pissed off because I hadn't done anything wrong, I even joined the livechat to tell them that the previous renter had broken their ToS. In the end result of that day they sent me screenshots of the account I rented on talking about taking stakes from other players.

I never sent those PMs but they would not listen to me.

Bogla PMed me the next day stating that he wanted to refund me. He claimed that I was framed by the previous renter. The renter previous to me (Logik Gaming) was streaming on their account and almost commission staked. Because of that Bogla offered to refund me 2x my deposit and 2x my rental fee.

Bogla Eva decided to take the word of one of their repeat customers over my word which is understandable, but in the end I was the right one.

Because of this incident I personally don't know if I'll be able to trade anymore on sythe. However, I do believe them when they say it was an honest mistake.

As for Askillor - His name is Curtis. He was the user who rented their staker with Logik Gaming (Aka Isaiah) and was streaming.

As for the GP left on the staker when they recovered the account from logik gaming and Askillor - I believe it should not be kept by the Bogla Team nor Logik Gaming. I believe that the sythe team should decide to put the GP to use elsewhere.

I originally helped the Bogla Team get unbanned but now I'm having my doubts about the whole ordeal. Although it was a small amount of GP at issue, I was caught up in a big mess that I should not have been. It's fucked my up trading wise on sythe.

The proof that they have was supplied by Logik Gaming & Askillor that had framed me. They were friends with Bogla Eva at the time.

If you want me to post anything else about this topic just PM me please, there is no need for a thread about this situation.

 

[tazmanian pka]

I'm not sure about that, he did end up getting banned however. Ironically the accused scammer posted that about the guy that lost 141M.

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1795550-askillor.html

The users Askillor and Logik Gaming worked together originally to frame me, so I was willing to help Bogla get unbanned in the hopes of having these users banned instead. They caused me to get fucked over in this situation.

 

[tazmanian pka]

you seem to have confused the topics ... http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/1795380-bogla-team.html#post14280944 was what we were banned for


http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1794990-bogla-team.html was some other drama that was sorted as you can see in his topic

And to Muffy, don't take offence to this, but you weren't involved in this situation so please don't try to get involved now. Any information stated by you is pointless as the only people who matter in this ordeal are Bogla, Eva, and I.