Blackhat rule update

[KingOf07]

While I don't agree with the rule change as a whole, I don't think any of the points you brought up are the issues with this rule change. Nearly all of them are unaffected by the rule change, as people hacking and selling gold still exist and are active on these forums. Provided they don't talk about it, they won't be caught or banned. It's always been this way, and in the past when evidence has been brought forward, those users suffered bans. That won't change under these rules.

These rules are a blatant disregard to illegal activities. It essentially could be a gateway to blackhat for some people, as they know their Sythe accounts are safe, which could possibly lead to more users using said methods on Sythe which they won't be caught or banned.

 

[Wolfdog]

These rules are a blatant disregard to illegal activities. It essentially could be a gateway to blackhat for some people, as they know their Sythe accounts are safe, which could possibly lead to more users using said methods on Sythe which they won't be caught or banned.

My original post on this thread touched on this. While blackhat activities are 'illegal' in the classic sense, historically the scope of such activities from users on Sythe has been limited to key-logging / social engineering. I don't think the rule change is necessarily a gateway, but I do think the best case scenario is that users are unaffected by the change.

 

>nothing allowed, even think about e-whorin and ur permed
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>u can do some shit just dont get caught like..5 times
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>u can scam now but we will gib u scary rank!! better not!!! pls
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>u can blackhat lol who cares

sith 2k18 legit finna b an e-whorin marketplace

edit - memes aside this is probably the dumbest shit ive ever seen. if you let your members do w/e they want and say "oh just don't do it to US" you're gonna have a really fucking bad time. i thought i wouldn't have to explain this in a news post that clearly didn't pass anyone not autistic.

seriously who the fuck is even in sith staff anymore that this is okay.

 

[Cas]

I've always been strongly against blackhat and besides DNT this is the worst update I've seen in my time here. Good god.

 

This makes more sense to me.

There was a lot of confusion about this basically we are slightly less strict about OFFSITE blackhat the more important edit was that we now have greater flexibility in situations relating to offsite blackhat. The rules regarding blackhat onsite are still the same (nearly everything blackhat-related on sythe is still forbidden as usual) but if you were reported for like ewhoring offsite 1.5 years ago, this may no longer be an automatic ban.

Anything related to hacking rs accounts, theft, etc is still not tolerated even if it happened offsite. This was not intended to create a mass influx of blackhatting users from offsite this just gives us the ability to forgive minor offsite blackhat offenses

 

This makes more sense to me.

I think they're saying were not putting a blanket ban on black hat activities like we have done in the past. They're being more lenient with minor "offences" which is a good thing imo

 

I think more has to be done to combat blackhat, I do not believe these rule changes are going in the right direction. Just after Christmas, @Talon ddosed me and told me i would have to pay to get my connectivity back, he was already banned for ddosing. I wouldn't report it because it was quite funny, but the reality is that he still asked for money, and if I was a weaker individual I may have fallen for that kinda shit.

 

[SuF]

Thank fuck.

 

big win for nerds

 

I think they're saying were not putting a blanket ban on black hat activities like we have done in the past. They're being more lenient with minor "offences" which is a good thing imo

Cool with it.

 

[SuF]

big win for nerds

So much. Needed this years ago.

 

[Valstone]

>nothing allowed, even think about e-whorin and ur permed
...
>u can do some shit just dont get caught like..5 times
...
>u can scam now but we will gib u scary rank!! better not!!! pls
...
>u can blackhat lol who cares

sith 2k18 legit finna b an e-whorin marketplace

edit - memes aside this is probably the dumbest shit ive ever seen. if you let your members do w/e they want and say "oh just don't do it to US" you're gonna have a really fucking bad time. i thought i wouldn't have to explain this in a news post that clearly didn't pass anyone not autistic.

seriously who the fuck is even in sith staff anymore that this is okay.

I've always been strongly against blackhat and besides DNT this is the worst update I've seen in my time here. Good god.

These dudes know what's up. This is by far one of the worst decisions I think I've seen enacted in my time here on Sythe - I'm going to be honest.

Not only do I think this is a step in the wrong direction, but the content alone is presented in a very ambiguous way, which makes it incredibly hard to discern what the new policy even is.

I mean the posts from the staff seem to be tip-toeing around what the actual rule/policy even is... ex, "well you can do blackhat on sythe, but just not to sythe members" - what the actual fuck? This is garbage. This rule update is garbage and the implementation is garbage, imho. Not a fan of the "new" feeble policy for blackhat issues.

Again, IMHO, I think Sythe really needs to contemplate on the makeup of the current staff team and readdress how they should be serving the community.

This policy update was presented in an ineffectual way, and the mere fact that some of the staff actually agrees with the content (taking it easy on blackhats) is disturbing to me.

 

[SuF]

These dudes know what's up. This is by far one of the worst decisions I think I've seen enacted in my time here on Sythe - I'm going to be honest.

Not only do I think this is a step in the wrong direction, but the content alone is presented in a very ambiguous way, which makes it incredibly hard to discern what the new policy even is.

I mean the posts from the staff seem to be tip-toeing around what the actual rule/policy even is... ex, "well you can do blackhat on sythe, but just not to sythe members" - what the actual fuck? This is garbage. This rule update is garbage and the implementation is garbage, imho. Not a fan of the "new" feeble policy for blackhat issues.

Again, IMHO, I think Sythe really needs to contemplate on the makeup of the current staff team and readdress how they should be serving the community.

This policy update was presented in an ineffectual way, and the mere fact that some of the staff actually agrees with the content (taking it easy on blackhats) is disturbing to me.

Well the new rule is basically as vague as it possibly could be but what we had before was far worse. Plenty of people who didn't do anything wrong and were just techies interested in shit have been banned even though they posed no threat and harmed no one. It was complete bullshit. I'll admit there needs to be more guidance but what we had before was just crap and I'm glad something was done about it.

 

[video]

Well the new rule is basically as vague as it possibly could be but what we had before was far worse. Plenty of people who didn't do anything wrong and were just techies interested in shit have been banned even though they posed no threat and harmed no one. It was complete bullshit. I'll admit there needs to be more guidance but what we had before was just crap and I'm glad something was done about it.

Hey SuF can I lock this now or is it too early? Not trying to stifle anyone's speech here !

 

can i get my dnt removed please

 

[Lured Yah]

Awful way to implement this. I agree with the principle but when people ask specifics, don't just say "it's a case by case basis." Give some sort of guidelines rather than "if we feel you're a threat"...

I believe it is a good thing to keep it this vague. If you are involved in anything blackhat you know there might be consequences, and you should deal with them if you cross limits. If you want to be on the safe side, keep clear from black hat..

 

[Eru]

I understand where this is coming from, but the way it was worded in the main post is causing alot of confusion.

when a blackhatoffence does not directly or indirectly affect Sythe and its users, we will not issue a ban

Mainly this part.

 

[SuF]

Hey SuF can I lock this now or is it too early? Not trying to stifle anyone's speech here !

Well people seem to still be posting on topic stuff and I don't see any reason to lock it so I think it's a tad early

 

[video]

Well people seem to still be posting on topic stuff and I don't see any reason to lock it so I think it's a tad early

I think that's largely cuz I bumped it but ok fair point it will remain open

 

[Superfluous]

I understand where this is coming from, but the way it was worded in the main post is causing alot of confusion.



Mainly this part.

i agree. i think that's the only part that lets us enforce it as we used to. the alternative that moes asked us to vote on was:

Since we're changing the rule to target only those who use blackhat offences onsite or against Sythe users, we might aswell completely remove the rule. Usually it directly results in scamming which is already forbidden. So removing the rule might also be an option.

i think the current wording is superior to that option.