Big Bang Theory

[Ughster]

As for evolution. It seems to me we are perhaps de-evolving?
Any isolated group of animals or humans slowly become genetically homogeneous. Genetic diversity is lost with every generation. If two parents have two children, there will still be a loss of diversity as the two children are more similar to each other than each parent is to the other parent. It would seem to me that this is evidence of a system winding down, not winding up. Has anyone got a valid counterargument to this?

Perhaps it's just that we're becoming more and more influenced by our surroundings... The two children would likely spend great deals of time together and influence one another's personality... Generally speaking, all of our personalities tend to just be a social construction which mirrors our surroundings.

 

[jebckr]

Then you deny the senses that God supposedly gave you. You render yourself irrational.

ohh I have a good quote.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA
U made me laugh . Really I neva laughed be4 .
No one has ever been able to find one mistake in Quraan . Do u thing if they did u would ever see Muslims in the world .
Please don't talk about u don't know .

Meh, not to insult your religion in particular (as I will gladly insult religion as a whole), but you're making a fool of yourself and you're off topic.

 

[Deacon Frost]

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA
U made me laugh . Really I neva laughed be4 .
No one has ever been able to find one mistake in Quraan . Do u thing if they did u would ever see Muslims in the world .
Please don't talk about u don't know .

Riight!

Let's split your sentence up to disprove your theory.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA = humor.

U made me laugh = stating your humor

Really I neva laughed be4 = Stating that you were in fact humored, and it was the first time

No one has ever been able to find one mistake in Quraan = HAHah. The one mistake is that it revolves around a diety. It tries to say that man should give its life away to someone/something it will never know if it's true. Furthermore, it holds back society in many ways. Imagine a world without religion, where it was governed by the police (who aren't corrupt). Man would be much further in discovery than they can with religion.

Your particular religion humors me because there is so many fallacys in it that I think a J.R.R Tolkein book is more accurate.

Do u thing if they did u would ever see Muslims in the world = I see Jews, I see Pedos, I see catholics, I see mexicans, I see goths, I see heaven's gate enthusiast, I see idiots... Hmm, let me guess, you think because some people were pursuaded to believe in that idea that it is automatically correct? It's called mob mentality...

In fact, look at the SS and Nazis... Hmm, they were led by a popular belief, doesn't mean it was right, just that it was. Humans will believe anything if you slap charisma and a weak will on it.

Please don't talk about u don't know ..



Then please stop speaking/writing in the English language sir. I do know what I'm talking about, the word of a diety inside of a book is pure bullshit, I don't care who had their penis sliced off in their sleep... it doesn't phase me.


The future of man, progression, and the bettering of society is my interest, and we get no where by the false beliefs of a stupid book..

Look at scientology, the dude said it was just theories, but it's spawned a religion. Who knows, maybe that possibly couldn't have happened before? You know, like with your book? or with the bible?

Sure, some are facts, but there's no deity tied to it.

 

[porman]

exactly, if you can spawn a new religion in this day and age that easily, then how easy would it have been back then?

Religion = power, nothing more

Also he said to keep religion out of it so stick your quran up your arse

 

[kher0]

Riight!

Let's split your sentence up to disprove your theory.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA = humor.

U made me laugh = stating your humor

Really I neva laughed be4 = Stating that you were in fact humored, and it was the first time

No one has ever been able to find one mistake in Quraan = HAHah. The one mistake is that it revolves around a diety. It tries to say that man should give its life away to someone/something it will never know if it's true. Furthermore, it holds back society in many ways. Imagine a world without religion, where it was governed by the police (who aren't corrupt). Man would be much further in discovery than they can with religion.

Your particular religion humors me because there is so many fallacys in it that I think a J.R.R Tolkein book is more accurate.

Do u thing if they did u would ever see Muslims in the world = I see Jews, I see Pedos, I see catholics, I see mexicans, I see goths, I see heaven's gate enthusiast, I see idiots... Hmm, let me guess, you think because some people were pursuaded to believe in that idea that it is automatically correct? It's called mob mentality...

In fact, look at the SS and Nazis... Hmm, they were led by a popular belief, doesn't mean it was right, just that it was. Humans will believe anything if you slap charisma and a weak will on it.

Please don't talk about u don't know ..



Then please stop speaking/writing in the English language sir. I do know what I'm talking about, the word of a diety inside of a book is pure bullshit, I don't care who had their penis sliced off in their sleep... it doesn't phase me.


The future of man, progression, and the bettering of society is my interest, and we get no where by the false beliefs of a stupid book..

Look at scientology, the dude said it was just theories, but it's spawned a religion. Who knows, maybe that possibly couldn't have happened before? You know, like with your book? or with the bible?

Sure, some are facts, but there's no deity tied to it.

I feel like and Idiot talking . I said one word . No mistake in the Quraan and u haven't even read it so u can't judge . I challenge anyone here to find one mistake in the Quraan . And , If u couldn't find one mistake , So human can't do it as there is no human can't mistake and make anything perfect . Stop saying useless words and let me see u ability in discovering any mistake . Another thing , ppl who were borned muslims like u say aren't really Muslims and the proof they r the weakest in the world . Look in the past when ppl were really Muslims . They made amazing discoveries and they were the best at science . The controlled most of the world with justice.
Qurran is full of scientific miracles and facts . So please for another time don't talk about wat u don't know .

 

[world]

nah i believe that we all were created from god. i could sit here and try to convince you all that we were, but it would pointless just the same as no matter how hard you try i will never be convinced of the big bang theory.

 

[Reappeh]

At KHer, not only is a book like that inaccurate, but religion is just a battle of "I'm right!" "No, I'm right!" "No, I'm right!" "Jews can masturbate be a Jew!". There's no real proof in religion.

At World, you say you believe in a God, and that he created you. It's Grade 7 Sex-ed where you learn that, seriously, your parents had sex and then you popped out 9 months later. If you believe God created you, that means he was fucking your mom. Now, if you seriously aren't convinced about the Big Bang, how can you be convinced about a 2000-year-old book? It's been changed so many times, yet you keep eating up the shit it feeds you. God doesn't fucking exist, it doesn't matter what you say, he doesn't. If so, go up to the clouds and see if there is one. You'll probably cry because "NOOOOOOOOOOO I WANT MY GOD!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!!!!!!" and he isn't there. THERE IS NO FUCKING GOD!

 

[porman]

I feel like and Idiot talking . I said one word . No mistake in the Quraan and u haven't even read it so u can't judge . I challenge anyone here to find one mistake in the Quraan . And , If u couldn't find one mistake , So human can't do it as there is no human can't mistake and make anything perfect . Stop saying useless words and let me see u ability in discovering any mistake . Another thing , ppl who were borned muslims like u say aren't really Muslims and the proof they r the weakest in the world . Look in the past when ppl were really Muslims . They made amazing discoveries and they were the best at science . The controlled most of the world with justice.
Qurran is full of scientific miracles and facts . So please for another time don't talk about wat u don't know .

dude, shredderbeam has told you plenty of contridictions within the quran and has giving sites full of them. stop saying "show me mistakes" if you ignore them when there handed to you. stop being ignorant.

 

[Jokerz]

I personally agree to the Big Bang Theroy, as well to the fact that i believe in the String Theory.

Science Prevails.

The Fact is simple. If there was god, why has 99% of Lifeforms on the earth died out?

 

[Ughster]

At KHer, not only is a book like that inaccurate, but religion is just a battle of "I'm right!" "No, I'm right!" "No, I'm right!" "Jews can masturbate be a Jew!". There's no real proof in religion.

At World, you say you believe in a God, and that he created you. It's Grade 7 Sex-ed where you learn that, seriously, your parents had sex and then you popped out 9 months later. If you believe God created you, that means he was fucking your mom. Now, if you seriously aren't convinced about the Big Bang, how can you be convinced about a 2000-year-old book? It's been changed so many times, yet you keep eating up the shit it feeds you. God doesn't fucking exist, it doesn't matter what you say, he doesn't. If so, go up to the clouds and see if there is one. You'll probably cry because "NOOOOOOOOOOO I WANT MY GOD!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!!!!!!" and he isn't there. THERE IS NO FUCKING GOD!

Bro, you do realize your doing the exact same thing as them right?

Your taking part in this giant ego masturbation festival, atheists are the same as theists, they simply put their faith in "logic" instead of the divine, but it's really two sides of the same coin... you will still argue to the death that you are "right" and they are "wrong".

Give a little respect to kher0 eh? Hes just the same as you, arguing to defend his beliefs. I give him mad props because he's greatly out numbered and he still has the balls to passionately defend his faith.

 

[Deacon Frost]

Oh I don't bash religion, I really can't be a hypocrite in that sense.

But I can easily say my beliefs where they can say theres. Normally I'll win, but in the majority of time, it doesn't really matter.

The problem with what he's saying is that the book is indeniably true. I never said there weren't facts in it, but there's no proof of a deity.

 

[Reappeh]

I'm saying that they're all pretty much saying the same redundant statements, and as I said, religion is just a war of saying they're right. Who knows, maybe there could be a God. Maybe there couldn't have been a Big Bang... All I know, is that there WAS a guy named Jesus who lived, but what happened to him is where it gets sketchy. All religions claim they're right, and someone PLEASE tell me which one actually is.

First up: Christians.
They believe in a book written thousands of years ago, and refuse to believe scientific teachings. They believe their God is a peaceful and merciful creature.

Next up: Muslims.
They also believe in an old book, and they believe in a hate-filled God who is hellbent on killing Jews, Christians, and whites. They don't believe scientific teachings, either.

Next up: Jews.
They were around the time of Jesus' life and death, and they worship pigs for some reason. You can't eat pigs. No pigs. Eat pigs and you'll go to Hell, and that's that. Oh, and if you're a Jew, you get pissed-off Christians beating you up because you killed Jesus.

Next up: Buddhists.
They believe in an ancient, peaceful and happy God, revolved around a perfect nirvana of happiness and inner peace. They don't get noticed much, except for monks, in their robes. This also appears to be the religion on RuneScape, because all (good) monks wear robes and they also think like Christians.

Next up: Catholics
They can't take a joke, they believe God wants everyone disciplined to fall under an almost Communistic ritual of Don't do this don't do that. They think that everything is unholy.

I'm gonna take a break now, I could keep going on. And when you look at all those religions, think about their gods. They're all different and they all claim they're right. Which one was there first? I'd say Buddha. He's old and kinda cute... Now think about the universe. If you're REALLY that concerned about the whole universe being created by a scientific theory, then keep your nose the FUCK out of it and think that a guy in a book did everything, and would let his planet stay the way it is.

And on that topic, who are you to say YOU'RE all God's creatures? Surely if he created the entire universe there could be other planets with life on them. Loophole! I'll dive through that. So you deny aliens and you deny something else made the universe, so you think God only made you. That's considered vanity. Deal with it...

And sorry for the big rant, I'm not really in the mood to take this lightly. That's the way it is, and whatever religion is reading this.

Either your God made the universe, and you're not all of God's creatures, he didn't just make YOU. How vain. Either that or there was a Big Bang, and things just happened the way they did. If you keep saying "I shudnt questin this" then stop. You want to be blind to the truth, keep your pecker out of it. However, if you actually pulled your head out of your ass and looked at the facts, you'd realise the truth. Which is there isn't really one, your God is as much possibility as the Big Bang, and you'll just have to take that in stride. Get in line by the way, there's hundreds of other people claiming their God made everything. And then you might think about how much the story both changes AND stays the same. You could either realise and have a revelation that will help you know something and become, not an atheist, not a theist, but someone who doesn't let something they don't know control you. If you believe in a God, and he gives empty "promises", that's like an addiction. You need it, you don't need it, and it's not there. Get your head out of your ass and realise you are as right as we are.

 

[Azza 4556]

There is no proof that suggests that could happen.
so, what, did it just happen out of no where? come on guys...

 

[Deacon Frost]

There is no proof that suggests that could happen.
so, what, did it just happen out of no where? come on guys...

There's plenty of proof to suggest the theory .

It cannot be a theory UNLESS there's some fact behind it.

Just like any major religion...


Otherwise it's just a hypothesis.


And you're inability to grasp it is merely human. People think "edge of universe"... LOL... there is no edge, if you understand infinity, you don't question these things. It isn't stopping, and it never began.

 

[Reappeh]

Exactly, it's hard to understand infinity, humans always need a finite limit to understand something. For example, what would you believe more:

The universe is 20,000 Sextillion miles across, and we're at the center, about there.

The universe has no limit and there's no edge.

Most people would prefer the first one, even though that's impossible, if you travelled that far you might make it to another solar system if they were 5x closer. There really is no limit to the universe that anyone can comprehend. People need their limits, and when they're refused, they need something else to believe. Hence where they preach the Big Bang is bullshit and that the Earth is flat and the center of the universe which ends after Neptune. It's one of the most hotly debated subjects where I'm at, everyone's trying to find out what happened for the universe to exist. I think the Big Bang might not have happened, the universe could have always been here and the Big Bang was just an expansion. The universe is infinite because there is NO limit to anything. People don't get, the universe is EVERYTHING. Imagine the biggest thing you can. Perhaps the sun, which is massive. It could take either 5 suns to fill the universe, or it could take 150,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 suns to fill the universe. Absolutely nobody knows how big the universe is, nobody knows if Martians don't exist, nobody knows anything. We're just starting to explore the universe, we don't know if there's any possible life in the universe other than us. We're fickle creatures.

Picture it like this, you're an atom. The smallest thing that anyone can think of. It would take an insane amount (175,000,000,000,000,000,000 to the power of 999,999,999,999 perhaps ) of you doubled over to reach another galaxy, stretched out atom by atom. And that's if you were 20 feet tall and squished into the tiniest possible thing ever. The Big Bang theory is not possible the universe was made from NOTHING at all, there always was and will be something.

 

Exactly, it's hard to understand infinity, humans always need a finite limit to understand something. For example, what would you believe more:

The universe is 20,000 Sextillion miles across, and we're at the center, about there.

The universe has no limit and there's no edge.

Most people would prefer the first one, even though that's impossible, if you travelled that far you might make it to another solar system if they were 5x closer. There really is no limit to the universe that anyone can comprehend. People need their limits, and when they're refused, they need something else to believe.

Oh honestly. The concept of infinity is just that: a concept. There can be nothing in reality which is infinite. A real thing, by its very definition, must have limits. Any thing which does not appear to have limits is not real, but rather an abstraction.

Hence where they preach the Big Bang is bullshit and that the Earth is flat and the center of the universe which ends after Neptune. It's one of the most hotly debated subjects where I'm at, everyone's trying to find out what happened for the universe to exist. I think the Big Bang might not have happened, the universe could have always been here and the Big Bang was just an expansion. The universe is infinite because there is NO limit to anything.

I'm sorry but this is just absurd. There is a limit to every single real entity ever found. Consider the following. If something has infinite length, then how do you measure it? Do you start at one point and keep going? How long do you go for? Maybe you travel in one direction measuring for a million years. It doesn't matter, because when you stop you still won't know that the end isn't 100 meters from where you stopped.

Thus an existent (a thing which exists) must necessarily have limits, or it would be immeasurable and unable to be classified -- or even recognized -- as a thing.

Essentially you who claim that limitless entities exist are by your own argument unable to ever prove your claim and thus we may disregard it entirely.

nobody knows anything.

Here you are asserting that you know that nobody (including you) has any knowledge whatever. Nice contradiction there.

 

[kher0]

dude, shredderbeam has told you plenty of contridictions within the quran and has giving sites full of them. stop saying "show me mistakes" if you ignore them when there handed to you. stop being ignorant.

Shredder depended on my mistake and his misunderstanding as I'm suck at enlglish and can't make him understand so I told him that I'm out and he can find ppl betta than me . Above all , Shredder is the best here , He has things and really can argue . Someone like Reappeh doesn't worth answering . Anyway I told u my answer and U take it or not . It's not my job . I don't like arguing unless with ppl who have Ideas and things like shredder .

Bro, you do realize your doing the exact same thing as them right?

Your taking part in this giant ego masturbation festival, atheists are the same as theists, they simply put their faith in "logic" instead of the divine, but it's really two sides of the same coin... you will still argue to the death that you are "right" and they are "wrong".

Give a little respect to kher0 eh? Hes just the same as you, arguing to defend his beliefs. I give him mad props because he's greatly out numbered and he still has the balls to passionately defend his faith.

I agree with this thing about yes and no . The last thing I don't know is it good or not ( about balls thing ) But thanx anyway :S

 

[Shredderbeam]

Shredder depended on my mistake and his misunderstanding as I'm suck at enlglish and can't make him understand so I told him that I'm out and he can find ppl betta than me .

I'm not depending on your English skills at all. I have talked to an Imam, and they agreed that there were contradictions.

 

[Deacon Frost]

Oh honestly. The concept of infinity is just that: a concept. There can be nothing in reality which is infinite. A real thing, by its very definition, must have limits. Any thing which does not appear to have limits is not real, but rather an abstraction.



I'm sorry but this is just absurd. There is a limit to every single real entity ever found. Consider the following. If something has infinite length, then how do you measure it? Do you start at one point and keep going? How long do you go for? Maybe you travel in one direction measuring for a million years. It doesn't matter, because when you stop you still won't know that the end isn't 100 meters from where you stopped.

Thus an existent (a thing which exists) must necessarily have limits, or it would be immeasurable and unable to be classified -- or even recognized -- as a thing.

Essentially you who claim that limitless entities exist are by your own argument unable to ever prove your claim and thus we may disregard it entirely.



Here you are asserting that you know that nobody (including you) has any knowledge whatever. Nice contradiction there.

But Richard, not everything in the universe is measureable. Just what we have come across. Honestly, you for one should understand no end.

Essentially you who claim that limitless entities exist are by your own argument unable to ever prove your claim and thus we may disregard it entirely.

This especially man, think about what you're saying. We are to prove to you that a limitless entity can exist, while you believe otherwise? Where's the counter-proof to that. These are unexplored waters, therefore neither conclusion can be brought into perspective. Yes, most things in our surrounding area can be measured by our calculations. But you can't just say that it's possible that way at all.

If it was possible that the universe was measurable, then you pretty much are saying you believe in God. Then you're saying that heaven is measurable, and so on. It's flat. Infinite. No stop. No end. Done.

Our universe may be measurable, but the surrounding ones go on forever. No end, no attempt to measure should be made because no one would find a stop.

Time is a figment, therefore distance is a figment, Richard.

The Big Bang theory is not possible the universe was made from NOTHING at all, there always was and will be something.

That's called "Steady State". It was around before the Big Bang was introduced, and Albert Einstein was one who wanted to believe in it. However, through his studies he found the Big Bang to be more plausible, therefore a conflict with his faith.

There's a possibility of both, however.

 

But Richard, not everything in the universe is measureable. Just what we have come across. Honestly, you for one should understand no end.

Every 'thing' is measurable. If a 'thing' were immeasurable then how is it to be identified? When we define a 'thing' we define identity. Identity is little more than scope. You are suggesting you can have a 'thing' without scope? Scope-less identity is a contradiction.

The concept of infinity is a human abstraction -- the concept of limitless extrapolation. It is purely a concept of the mind, unrelated to reality. Its impossibility is made clear by the following:

If I have a bar of steel and I divide it into two halves, I now have two bars of steel, each half as long as the original. However, if I Have an infinitely long bar of steel and I divide it into two halves, both halves will be the same length as the original: infinite. This is of course impossible by the law of conservation of matter and the law of identity itself.

The law of identity is a metaphysical axiom which states that a 'thing' is itself. The sum of parts which come together to make the whole which is the 'thing' must not be in contradiction with one another and necessarily cannot be greater or less than the whole.

If we cut a cake in two we can still put the two halves together and refer to it as a whole cake. But if we cut an infinitely long metal bar in two and put the pieces back together, we have two infinitely long bars, which is in violation of the identity of the whole.

This especially man, think about what you're saying. We are to prove to you that a limitless entity can exist, while you believe otherwise? Where's the counter-proof to that.

Well I've offered three now. The fact you can't measure it to prove that its infinite and the fact that it would be in violation of the law of identity and the law of conservation of matter.

These are unexplored waters, therefore neither conclusion can be brought into perspective. Yes, most things in our surrounding area can be measured by our calculations. But you can't just say that it's possible that way at all.

Its called empirical science. The very foundation of science -- the study of nature -- is based in measurement. To assert that there are immeasurable things out there is to assert a pointless, irrational, and unprovable claim.

If it was possible that the universe was measurable, then you pretty much are saying you believe in God. Then you're saying that heaven is measurable, and so on. It's flat. Infinite. No stop. No end. Done.

Our universe may be measurable, but the surrounding ones go on forever. No end, no attempt to measure should be made because no one would find a stop.

Time is a figment, therefore distance is a figment, Richard.

Time is objective. Distance is objective. Einstein was wrong.

Your assertions about real limitlessness are arbitrary. There is no reason to believe that un-finite entities can exist. No more reason then there is to believe god exists (an un-finite entity himself).