A theory, hypethesis, and possible truth about God.

[Gravity]

God is not omnipotent. God is a supernatural deity(Will explain later on.) A supernatural deity is not stated to have unlimited powers. Whoever says that God is omnipotent in the use of a rational argument is wrong. Heres proof to prove my rationality.

If God were omnipotent, then that would mean that God had an infinite, unlimited amount of powers. Heres a little diagram which would show that that theory is incorrect and thus, irrational.

God is X.

If X were omnipotent, powers would become unlimited. If that were so, then ask X to create a rock that X could not lift. If X were omnipotent, then X would be able to make such a rock. Therefore, X would make it, proving that half of the argument of X being omnipotent were true.

However .. If X were considered omnipotent, and X "DID" make such a rock which X could not lift, then X would "NOT" be omnipotent. Only because if X were omnipotent and had unlimited powers, then X would be able to lift up such a rock.

Therefore, considering that the concept made sense, then it would mean that X could create a rock that X could not lift, and at the same time, could lift. This goes against all logic and rationality, proving X to be irrational, un-logical, and thus, not existent.

God, however, is a supernatural deity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity "A deity is a postulated preternatural or supernatural being, who is always of significant power, worshipped, thought holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, or respected by human beings."

God is worshipped, thought holy, devine, or sacred. Held in high regard, God is respected by, thought it may not be "all" human beings, human beings.

Most people abandon the concept of a believable God because they've been told idiotic tales of an omnipotent God and chose not to believe them.

If God is a supernatural deity, and not an omnipotent being, is saying that God is an idea. When an idea is brewed, it comes into existance. Therefore, God comes into existance. This would prove that God is real.

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I'm at a cyber cafe, at the moment. I've tried to fall asleep, however, I began thinking of this. I decided to log on and share my ideas with you all, and here they are.

Discuss.

 

[Shredderbeam]

When an idea is brewed, it comes into existance. Therefore, God comes into existance. This would prove that God is real.

Conceptualizing "X" does not render it existent.

 

[porman]

supernatural ramblings = delusional

 

[Gravity]

Conceptualizing "X" does not render it existent.

I havn't imagined or concieved the idea of "X". "X" was already an idea, completely born into exsistance. I've only magnified it's possibility of exsisting to a deeper level, as to show the rationality it holds in being real.

supernatural ramblings = delusional

Yes, and the ramblings of your life-span will probably be ended along with the actually life-span. If you keep spamming threads with unnessecary post, your blood will get too bruised and travel north towards your brain. Then .. You will die. ;]

Anyways. How is it delusional, lol?

 

[Shredderbeam]

I havn't imagined or concieved the idea of "X". "X" was already an idea, completely born into exsistance. I've only magnified it's possibility of exsisting to a deeper level, as to show the rationality it holds in being real.

You've disproved a stupid assumption about God, that he is omnipotent. Obviously, he cannot be, since this is a logical contradiction.

I don't see how you demonstrated the existence of God, though.

 

[Gravity]

You've disproved a stupid assumption about God, that he is omnipotent. Obviously, he cannot be, since this is a logical contradiction.

I don't see how you demonstrated the existence of God, though.

Thanks, I try. Exactly .. A logical contradiction. However increasingly true that may be, it was not my point. It was only an excert of proof to narrow the believable existance of such a supernatural being.

You not seeing how.. does not mean that I have not proven it.

I'm debating from a logical standpoint.

God is a supernatural being. God is an idea. This would mean that the idea of God being a supernatural being would come into existance. God was an idea before the beginning of time, meaning that God came into existance before the beginning of time, making him a supernatural being. So .. The supernatural being, God, came into existance before the beginning of time, which is WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE.

Get it? If God were in existance before the beginning of time, then he would have proven his title of Supernatural Deity, because only such a being could have been as old as he.

Thus, we have now concluded that God is in existance. If something is in existance, then something is real. Therefore, logically and "RATIONALLY", God is real.

Please, do not hesitate to point out any mistakes that I've made in my theory.

 

[Shredderbeam]

First, an idea requires somebody to conceive of it. The idea of God could not have existed before the Big Bang because there was nobody to conceive of it (unless God conceived of himself).

Second, something existing as an idea does not mean that it exists as a fact.

 

[Gravity]

First, an idea requires somebody to conceive of it. The idea of God could not have existed before the Big Bang because there was nobody to conceive of it (unless God conceived of himself).

Second, something existing as an idea does not mean that it exists as a fact.

The Big Bang is not a fact, but a theory, meaning that it may not be true. Since the Big Bang may not have been true, then there is no proof of no life before such a theory. Since you're basing your post off of what may be true, then your post has just as much possibility of being wrong or right as mine saying that the possibility of life before any significant events is true.

Second .. Yes, I believe so. If I come up with the idea that a coke can is made of tin, and it's made of tin, then it is a fact. A undeniable fact. That may be different towards other things, but who's to know if that matters with the subject of God?

Just like if I have an idea that the coke can in front of me is made of stone, and it's not, then it is not a fact.

Okay, enough with this unnessecary conversation of facts.
;]
I've been observing, studying, and seeing what makes an idea true as an undeniable fact. This is what I've come up with, and this is what you now read..

I have .. But one thing to say to the "second" part of your post.

You may be true, but only to an extent. If you forget, the idea of a God is also the idea of a Supernatural deity, meaning that the idea would be converted to reality, thus again, making the idea of God real.

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I'm going to head off to bed. I'll be back later to debate, unless you come to a conclusion that my conversation is not worth your time. If that is the case, then I am sorry you feel that way.

;]

 

[Macroman]

First, an idea requires somebody to conceive of it. The idea of God could not have existed before the Big Bang because there was nobody to conceive of it (unless God conceived of himself).

Second, something existing as an idea does not mean that it exists as a fact.

Shredderbeam, can you move this to SFA to keep all spam posts away


Once an idea has been proved right, the its right, but people will always believe something else, Not everyone will ever believe in the same thing.

What do you mean the idea of God, it was conceived after humans existed, because he communicated with them. In early times.

 

[Swan]

That was a boring read.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

Now you know what atheists have known for thousands of years.

 

[Macroman]

Conceptualizing "X" does not render it existent.

What if you contemplate "X" , it still doesn't change its existent but creates a logical possibility for it to exist.

 

[Shredderbeam]

What if you contemplate "X" , it still doesn't change its existent but creates a logical possibility for it to exist.

Contemplating "X" doesn't necessarily grant it the possibility to exist. Things can exist without any beings being aware of them.

 

[dpunk]

The Big Bang is not a fact, but a theory, meaning that it may not be true. Since the Big Bang may not have been true, then there is no proof of no life before such a theory. Since you're basing your post off of what may be true, then your post has just as much possibility of being wrong or right as mine saying that the possibility of life before any significant events is true.

See, this is where Creationists fail at science. They know little to nothing about it. In normal everyday talk, a theory is as you call it, something that may not be true, but in science it is different. A theory is a statement made about the natural world that can be proven false and has evidence to back it up. There is no imaginary ladder that a hypothesis has to climb to go from a guess, to a theory, to a fact. A theory can be as much of a fact as anything in this world. Consider the theory of gravity. You aren't afraid to jump because you think that you'll float away are you?

Second .. Yes, I believe so. If I come up with the idea that a coke can is made of tin, and it's made of tin, then it is a fact. A undeniable fact. That may be different towards other things, but who's to know if that matters with the subject of God?
Just like if I have an idea that the coke can in front of me is made of stone, and it's not, then it is not a fact.

You having the idea that something can be true has no influence on whether it is true or not.
I've been observing, studying, and seeing what makes an idea true as an undeniable fact. This is what I've come up with, and this is what you now read..

I have .. But one thing to say to the "second" part of your post.

You may be true, but only to an extent. If you forget, the idea of a God is also the idea of a Supernatural deity, meaning that the idea would be converted to reality, thus again, making the idea of God real.

Either I'm completely missing what you're trying to say, or you have no idea about what reality is like. Having an idea that something could be true means nothing. I can have the idea that I can shit through my left ear all I want, but that doesn't mean that it's true. It just means I have a broad imagination. I guess you could consider "the idea real," if you wanted, but that just means that someone thought it up. The ideas that your brain conjures up play no part in the natural world.