R2pleasent

[snappie1000]

1) There is no proof James scammed anything, just heresay.

In reaction to these situations I have permanently closed my account section, and banned James for safety.

You say you banned him, but you also say there's no proof he scammed. As far as I know, there has to be proof someone scammed before banning that person.

2) The thread said I am looking for accounts from Original Owners. We sent a form to all buyers which they were to fill out. All of these forms required the users to post that they are the original owners. Snappie later admitted that he lied and was not an original owner of the account.

Actually, I did say I wasn't the original owner. It was the second thing I told James after giving him the username. He said "if the info recovers and you abide by our rules, it's not a problem", and I thought I did had enough info. And in the form James provided, I did wrote I wasn't the original owner, and it got accepted. So it's actually you who's lying now, by stating I lied and admitted for lying, as I never lied or admitted I'd lied.

3) James was never my employee. He was simply someone looking to run an account shop with me. I have seen many staff members create businesses with other users who later end up scamming. They are not held responsible for those situations.

I think you should read everything posted by other people here.

4) GoldRS.com, Sythe's #1 Endorser has been found to change account sellers' information quite often. Many of the accounts are never recovered by the sellers. They have received absolutely no consequences from Sythe.org.

What's your point?

 

[R2Pleasent]

I must be mistaken, but for a moment I thought you were insinuating scamming is fine because Gold4rs did it before..

What I'm saying is that due to the nature of account sales there is no real way to govern them. Account ownership is never actually transferred, original owners can always steal them back, and 99% of the time they do.

 

[R2Pleasent]

You say you banned him, but you also say there's no proof he scammed. As far as I know, there has to be proof someone scammed before banning that person.

I banned him as a precaution.

Actually, I did say I wasn't the original owner. It was the second thing I told James after giving him the username. He said "if the info recovers and you abide by our rules, it's not a problem", and I thought I did had enough info. And in the form James provided, I did wrote I wasn't the original owner, and it got accepted. So it's actually you who's lying now, by stating I lied and admitted for lying, as I never lied or admitted I'd lied.

Well if the info was good enough why doesn't it work for you now? If the information you provided was half-decent, the original owner should be able to recover the account with it NO PROBLEM. How can you actually attempt to sell an account which you do not securely own?? What would happen if Jagex locked it? What would happen if the original owner stole it back from you?

What's your point?

My point is that if you can't recover an account you are trying to sell, you shouldn't be selling it in the first place, because it's not yours.

 

[snappie1000]

I banned him as a precaution.

I doubt that is allowed, but it's not up to me.

Well if the info was good enough why doesn't it work for you now? If the information you provided was half-decent, the original owner should be able to recover the account with it NO PROBLEM. How can you actually attempt to sell an account which you do not securely own?? What would happen if Jagex locked it? What would happen if the original owner stole it back from you?

As I said, I thought I had enough information. The account was recovery tested when I bought it and I recovered it from a lock due to IP change.

My point is that if you can't recover an account you are trying to sell, you shouldn't be selling it in the first place, because it's not yours.

I lol'd at this so hard. So what were you going to do with all the accounts you bought? As you just said, you shouldn't be selling accounts which are not yours.

 

[R2Pleasent]

I doubt that is allowed, but it's not up to me.

We act in the best interest of the website.

As I said, I thought I had enough information. The account was recovery tested when I bought it and I recovered it from a lock due to IP change.

Well what do you think the almighty James could have done to make you unable to recover it? Put his own recovs on? Anyone with good info on an account can recover it through Stolen Password recovery, which resets recoveries.

I lol'd at this so hard. So what were you going to do with all the accounts you bought? As you just said, you shouldn't be selling accounts which are not yours.

The whole thing is before I personally send any payment for an account, I test the info myself and make a judgement call on the situation. I also have the buyer read and agree to a disclaimer which states I am not responsible in the case of a stolen account.

When I buy accounts, that situation is reversed. The seller IS responsible for the account. If it is stolen, I will charge back the cash. If their information doesn't work in a recovery, I charge back the cash. Bottom line though, I really try to stay away from the cesspool of account trading. It's an incredibly flawed system which is absolutely overrun with scams and fraud.

One example is this trade right here. You think you should receive $300 for an account you don't even have control over. I think you're in the clouds.

 

[Plznate]

Here is my problem with the situation:

1) There is no proof James scammed anything, just heresay.

4) GoldRS.com, Sythe's #1 Endorser has been found to change account sellers' information quite often. Many of the accounts are never recovered by the sellers. They have received absolutely no consequences from Sythe.org.

1) except for the numerous scam reports against him.

4) surprisingly unconcerned manner of handling the situation, saying that since someone else does it its ok.

Overall a disappointing response from someone who wears the ranks that you do.

 

[Weasel2013]

Just thought i'd pitch in...

One example is this trade right here. You think you should receive $300 for an account you don't even have control over. I think you're in the clouds.

"You don't even have control over." He had control over it, until James came along.

"I think you're in the clouds" was a bit pushy, seeing as how you vouched James, putting your trust on the line to support him.

I don't see how you think it's okay to endorse someone and then allow him to take someone else's property away, then center your argument around the diction of associate vs employee.

 

[snappie1000]

Well what do you think the almighty James could have done to make you unable to recover it? Put his own recovs on? Anyone with good info on an account can recover it through Stolen Password recovery, which resets recoveries.

Try to imagine me looking at a thread by one of the most respected people here on sythe buying accounts. Do you think I ever expected to get scammed?

The whole thing is before I personally send any payment for an account, I test the info myself and make a judgement call on the situation.

By saying this you just admitted he's working for you, not with you.

I also have the buyer read and agree to a disclaimer which states I am not responsible in the case of a stolen account.

By providing this account you acknowledge that you are the original owner of the account, and that you are transferring full ownership to R2Pleasent Gold.  Any attempt to recover the account will be considered fraud, and the appropriate legal actions will be taken by R2Pleasent Gold in response to this action, including, but not limited to, releasing your information to legal authorities.

I may be blind, but I cannot find it.

When I buy accounts, that situation is reversed. The seller IS responsible for the account. If it is stolen, I will charge back the cash. If their information doesn't work in a recovery, I charge back the cash. Bottom line though, I really try to stay away from the cesspool of account trading. It's an incredibly flawed system which is absolutely overrun with scams and fraud.

That has nothing to do with this thread.

One example is this trade right here. You think you should receive $300 for an account you don't even have control over. I think you're in the clouds.

Quote me where I say I want a refund.

 

[alexisawesome]

R2P should reimburse you for your account. He made the mistake of posting his associates contact information, and needs to take responsibility.

Not much a point in even disputing paying snappie for the account after that

 

[HamJam]

The whole thing is before I personally send any payment for an account, I test the info myself and make a judgement call on the situation.

Yea, so where does James come in? I don't see why you need someone else to gather your accounts, unless of course they're working for you...hmm owait he's just an associate and doesn't get anything from it... seems logical right?

 

R2P should reimburse you for your account. He made the mistake of posting his associates contact information, and needs to take responsibility.

I wonder what happens now after R2's response ^_^

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

If this is relevant, I showed R2Pleasent proof over MSN that James owned multiple phishing sites (which James admitted on his on volition) before this trade ever happened, but James wasn't banned.

 

[Plznate]

If this is relevant, I showed R2Pleasent proof over MSN that James owned multiple phishing sites (which James admitted on his on volition) before this trade ever happened, but James wasn't banned.

If thats true, then this whole issue is complete BS.

 

[I Am The RWT]

There comes a point when truth is overwhelmed by greed.

 

[HamJam]

If this is relevant, I showed R2Pleasent proof over MSN that James owned multiple phishing sites (which James admitted on his on volition) before this trade ever happened, but James wasn't banned.

Why was he working with him when he knew that he owned multiple phishing sites? That's like helping a scammer?

 

[Matt Hasty]

If this is relevant, I showed R2Pleasent proof over MSN that James owned multiple phishing sites (which James admitted on his on volition) before this trade ever happened, but James wasn't banned.

I don't see why you didn't report this beforehand publicly.

 

[snappie1000]

If this is relevant, I showed R2Pleasent proof over MSN that James owned multiple phishing sites (which James admitted on his on volition) before this trade ever happened, but James wasn't banned.

What did he say about this after you gave him this info?

 

[R2Pleasent]

If this is relevant, I showed R2Pleasent proof over MSN that James owned multiple phishing sites (which James admitted on his on volition) before this trade ever happened, but James wasn't banned.

I looked into that briefly but was unable to link any of it to James. I also spoke with him about it.

 

[Plznate]

I looked into that briefly but was unable to link any of it to James. I also spoke with him about it.

Common now Will this is getting to be excessive. Is it really going to be that difficult to repay a person who was scammed by your employee with all the money you have made from the site thus far? How about you live up to the trusted rep that you have and make the situation right before you lose even more credibility with members of this forum...

 

[Weasel2013]

I looked into that briefly but was unable to link any of it to James. I also spoke with him about it.

Could you please respond to this : http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=7328966&postcount=68 ? It's a more pressing matter.

rsaccounttrader, what proof did you have anyway?