911, Conspiracy or Terrorist attack.

Sorry for the late response.

I'm going end my stay on this thread without going through the old cycle of arguments that we had before. I realize that it is unlikely that we will ever fundamentally agree, as we follow different forms of general rationality. You express a belief in the ideals of symmetric rationality, whereas I favor rational choice theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_choice_theory

As such, the burden of proof I require is according to your standards, "irrationally high", while I consider the implications of this conspiracy to require such evidence. In reality, neither of us practice perfect symmetry in our beliefs (you fundamentally distrust the government), but my strong personal judgement may "cloud" my views. Ultimately, the exlusivity of this event would be nearly impossible to prove given the standards I require (perfect modeling, documented nitrates, official notice by the conspirators).

You'll probably disagree, but I've considered this to be one of the more quality/educational debates as of late in the SFA.

I don't necessarily agree with your position as to why we disagree, but I do agree that the 9/11 topic is a waste of time. It is of no consequence; The government is a criminal organization either way; I only argue from the strict physics viewpoint in the same way one might argue what caused the accident on the freeway, not because I want to take sides in the specific collision, but because the official record is physically incorrect and this is perfectly obvious to me and yet people still widely believe it.

 

[Tony Di]

My father works for the FAA, and he was president of the NATCA union at JFK at the time of 9/11.

Most of you do think that 9/11 is a conspiracy, but from as far as we know; it is not

The government is a criminal organization either way

Yes, the government is a pretty fucked up organization, and they're many people who say that they knew what was happening before it happened. That is in fact true. Even my father who I talked to about this had told me that there were alot of things that could've been avoided because of them knowing the information they had. The planes were being controlled by terrorists and the hole attack was controlled by terrorists, but the real question is; why didn't the government do shit?

 

Yes, the government is a pretty fucked up organization, and they're many people who say that they knew what was happening before it happened. That is in fact true. Even my father who I talked to about this had told me that there were alot of things that could've been avoided because of them knowing the information they had. The planes were being controlled by terrorists and the hole attack was controlled by terrorists, but the real question is; why didn't the government do shit?

Well also they are mass murdering slave owning psychopaths. But your point was good too...

 

[Mike¥]

Well also they are mass murdering slave owning psychopaths. But your point was good too...

Any debaters here actually present in NYC during the attack?

Side note: I agree this topic is useless. Its like making a "is 2pac alive or dead" thread and attempting to try to care.