Abortion

[Outkast_Bro]

I don't know how to really answer this question. I'd think if you abort a child, you kill a chance of life. Who are we to decide who lives and dies in such a manner, but then again, who are we to decide what a woman can do with her body? It's one tough question... Heh.

Fuck the women, and her stupid rights for a second. Just because the women is going to have the baby, and doesn't want to doesn't mean she can commit 1st degree murder. It's pathetic that people can't see the baby is a human being! It has a heart, brain, and it has organ systems. Why can't you fucking understand that, Darren? It's not that fucking hard. We've lost our animal instinct to take care of our young. Do you see chimpanzees throwing their babies out? I don't think so!

As for the whole, "OF COURSE IT'S REAL, IT HAS LIVING CELLS". Well, Darren, that's not what you said before. You said that a cell doesn't count as a life so stop contradicting yourself. You're just so immoral is makes me sick. -_-; I wish they'd put men back in charge..fuck women's rights. :|

 

[Shredderbeam]

Fuck the women, and her stupid rights for a second. Just because the women is going to have the baby, and doesn't want to doesn't mean she can commit 1st degree murder. It's pathetic that people can't see the baby is a human being! It has a heart, brain, and it has organ systems. Why can't you fucking understand that, Darren?

It's not a separate life - it does not deserve the rights of a human being.

It's not that fucking hard. We've lost our animal instinct to take care of our young. Do you see chimpanzees throwing their babies out? I don't think so!

Are instincts the basis for morality?

As for the whole, "OF COURSE IT'S REAL, IT HAS LIVING CELLS". Well, Darren, that's not what you said before. You said that a cell doesn't count as a life so stop contradicting yourself. You're just so immoral is makes me sick. -_-; I wish they'd put men back in charge..fuck women's rights. :|

It's alive, but it doesn't count as a human life - as in, it doesn't receive rights.

Wow, you seem to be quite sexist.

 

[Outkast_Bro]

Shredderbeam;It's not a separate life - it does not deserve the rights of a human being.

Tell me, Darren. Do you have a heart, a brain, and an organ system? Aren't you a human?

It's alive, but it doesn't count as a human life - as in, it doesn't receive rights.

Wow, you seem to be quite sexist.

It doesn't receive rights because it's just a baby. Does a 1 month-old infant have rights'? Nope. They don't even know what the word means. Fuck it..Even when you're my age you still don't have rights. The rights are given to the mother because they're supposed to love and take care of the child. It's no the babies fault if the mother is a fucking moron.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Tell me, Darren. Do you have a heart, a brain, and an organ system? Aren't you a human?

I have those things, but I am a seperate life, and I am rational! This is what gives me rights!

It doesn't receive rights because it's just a baby. Does a 1 month-old infant have rights'? Nope. They don't even know what the word means. Fuck it..Even when you're my age you still don't have rights. The rights are given to the mother because they're supposed to love and take care of the child. It's no the babies fault if the mother is a fucking moron.

A one month infant is a separate being who will become rational (they are not yet humans proper), so they are accorded rights.

 

[Outkast_Bro]

I have those things, but I am a seperate life, and I am rational! This is what gives me rights!



A one month infant is a separate being who will become rational (they are not yet humans proper), so they are accorded rights.

I fucking hate you and you're immoralness. Let's just go to fucking MSN so you can kick my ass in a live debate, Mr.Immoral, Irrational, and Illogical.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I fucking hate you and you're immoralness. Let's just go to fucking MSN so you can kick my ass in a live debate, Mr.Immoral, Irrational, and Illogical.

Your*

Immorality*

 

[Shroomsday]

I think it should be illegal. If you don't want to get pregnant, use a condom simple as that or at least arrange some sort of contraceptive method ie patch. I don't think anyone has the right to deny a life. If you get pregnant after you hit it up you shouldn't be able to claim ignorance as an excuse. If it's your body then take some responsibility for it. Actions have consequences I think people need to learn that. On the other hand it should be legal in extreme circumstances, ie rape.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I think it should be illegal. If you don't want to get pregnant, use a condom simple as that or at least arrange some sort of contraceptive method ie patch. I don't think anyone has the right to deny a life.

Do you breathe? Every breath you take culminates in the destruction of millions of bacteria!

 

[Outkast_Bro]

I think it should be illegal. If you don't want to get pregnant, use a condom simple as that or at least arrange some sort of contraceptive method ie patch. I don't think anyone has the right to deny a life. If you get pregnant after you hit it up you shouldn't be able to claim ignorance as an excuse. If it's your body then take some responsibility for it. Actions have consequences I think people need to learn that. On the other hand it should be legal in extreme circumstances, ie rape.

Couldn't have said it any better!

( I almost pissed my self reading your signature )

 

[Shroomsday]

Do you breathe? Every breath you take culminates in the destruction of millions of bacteria!

Bacteria multiple like crazy.... Also they're basically the same thing copied over and over so technically I did'nt kill anything. You're comparing apples to bananas.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Bacteria multiple like crazy.... Also they're basically the same thing copied over and over so technically I did'nt kill anything. You're comparing apples to bananas.

Rate of reproduction has nothing to do with the fact that it's a life.

So, if you had a race of humans that were all genetically identical, and all thought alike, you could kill them?

 

[Shroomsday]

Rate of reproduction has nothing to do with the fact that it's a life.

So, if you had a race of humans that were all genetically identical, and all thought alike, you could kill them?

It's a life, but you're comparing the value of a human life to the value of a bacteria. If that's your believe that your telling me your not breathing right now?
I hold the life of a human way higher than the life of bacteria.

 

[Shredderbeam]

It's a life, but you're comparing the value of a human life to the value of a bacteria. If that's your believe that your telling me your not breathing right now?
I hold the life of a human way higher than the life of bacteria.

I don't count a fetus as a human life. It's not separate or rational.

 

[Shroomsday]

I don't count a fetus as a human life. It's not separate or rational.

But it has the potential to be.

 

[Shredderbeam]

But it has the potential to be.

Potential for life != actual life.

I have the potential to be a surgeon in a few years time - am I accorded the rights of one today? Absolutely not. It is what you are at this point in time that defines your rights, not what you may or not become.

 

[Shroomsday]

Potential for life != actual life.

I have the potential to be a surgeon in a few years time - am I accorded the rights of one today? Absolutely not. It is what you are at this point in time that defines your rights, not what you may or not become.

I chose my words wrong. It will eventually become a human. Yes a fetus doesn't have rights untill it's born but like I said you're denying a life.

You have the potential to become a surgeon but you could wind down a number of roads. A fetus on the other hand has one path - that's to become a fully fledged human.

That's like me saying no you can't become a surgeon whether you have the potential or not.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I chose my words wrong. It will eventually become a human. Yes a fetus doesn't have rights untill it's born but like I said you're denying a life.

Right, just as a condom prevents the union of sperm and egg, preventing a life.

You have the potential to become a surgeon but you could wind down a number of roads. A fetus on the other hand has one path - that's to become a fully fledged human.

Even if this were true (miscarriage, etc.), even if I had no choice but to become a surgeon in a few years, I would still not have the rights of one right now.

 

[Shroomsday]

Right, just as a condom prevents the union of sperm and egg, preventing a life.

Condoms protect people from unwanted births and std's. By not using one your basically asking to have a baby....then when you realize you have a living organism in you, 2 weeks down the road you call for an abortion. By wearing a condom you're not preventing a life you're simply taking steps to make sure nothing comes out of it that you don't want.


Even if this were true (miscarriage, etc.), even if I had no choice but to become a surgeon in a few years, I would still not have the rights of one right now.

True but what if I said there was no way you could become a surgeon ever, that's essentially what you're doing when you go through an abortion.

 

[Shroomsday]

Right, just as a condom prevents the union of sperm and egg, preventing a life.

Condoms protect people from unwanted births and std's. By not using one your basically asking to have a baby....then when you realize you have a living organism in you, 2 weeks down the road you call for an abortion. By wearing a condom you're not preventing a life you're simply taking steps to make sure nothing comes out of it that you don't want.


Even if this were true (miscarriage, etc.), even if I had no choice but to become a surgeon in a few years, I would still not have the rights of one right now.[/QUOTE]


True but what if I said there was no way you could become a surgeon ever, that's essentially what you're doing when you go through an abortion.

 

[Shredderbeam]

True but what if I said there was no way you could become a surgeon ever, that's essentially what you're doing when you go through an abortion.

I have rights, though. To say that, you would be violating my rights.

A non-rational, non-separate being does not have rights. You may terminate their life at any point.