csez said:
A machine isn't a life, it doesn't have the right to kick somebody off itself if it wishes. If the owner of the machine wishes to do so, it's their call. Perhaps the person on life support can broker a deal with them.
Abortion
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A machine isn't a life, it doesn't have the right to kick somebody off itself if it wishes. If the owner of the machine wishes to do so, it's their call. Perhaps the person on life support can broker a deal with them.
hashslinger
Apprentice
Oops sorry bout the double. I lagged. Might as well make this a good post...
Many of you will say that the parents can't take care of it.
solution? If you get pregnate and You absolutely cant take care of it, you should put it up for adoption. Many people adopt babys into homes that can take care of them.
Many of you will say that the parents can't take care of it.
solution? If you get pregnate and You absolutely cant take care of it, you should put it up for adoption. Many people adopt babys into homes that can take care of them.
hashslinger said:
Why can't I just have an abortion?
Fallen Soul
Apprentice
Because its the persons fault...I say stop being a whore/slut and own up to your shit if you don't want it go with adoption but don't kill because your a worthless sack of skin.
Fallen Soul said:
Yes, it's their fault. Why does that preclude them from having an abortion? If they don't want to be pregnant at all, why shouldn't they have an abortion?
Fallen Soul
Apprentice
Cause its unethical its killing a human being. Like in your other posts in the Vegetarian thread. Its a rational being...right?
It's not a rational being. It's also a seperate being. Only rational, separate beings deserve rights.
Mr James
Forum Addict
Babys in the womb do not have feelings or rationality so they do not count as a human being because they do not qualify for human rights.
Yes they come from the same species but they do not have th ability to "think for themselves" or give a point of view.
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Fallen Soul
Apprentice
It will one day grow into a Rational, and Separate being as an animal will not. So are you saying that killing it before that is a Rational idea?
Ok im going to go a tiny bit off topic and ask you if you think its right or ok to have an abortion. Don't answer with why legally it should be, just answer with your opinion if it should. Why or why not. please and thank you.
Mr James
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Yes but if you kill it before it has developed the ability to "think" then why shouldn't you kill it if you think it is for some advantage?
And even if there isn't a reason for the abortion, until the fetus can "think" it has no say in the way it is brought whether is it being killed (aborted) or not.
It is in theory the parents property until it can in someway state otherwise and are we not allowed to treat our property as we like?
It will, but until it is separate, and has become part of the species proper, it has no rights.
Personally, I think it's fine to have an abortion. It can be emotionally stressful on the woman, sure, but that's just a natural response.
Personally, I think it's fine to have an abortion. It can be emotionally stressful on the woman, sure, but that's just a natural response.
Mr James
Forum Addict
Precisely.
Easter Bunny2
Bunny Pie
Now see, Shredder has raised a point which i will bring up. The Fetus is not an independent being, it is a "leecher". Without the mother to feed the fetus, it would die. The baby was also made by the woman's cells and organs (with help
). So, techincally speaking, the baby is a PART of the mother. So, i believe that abortion is fine, if it is for a legit reason.Reasons could be not financially sound family, bad parents, disability etc. But if the mother wants an abortion because "its inconvenient" to have a baby, then i think its wrong.
Mr James
Forum Addict
If anything, the baby fetus is part of the mother until birth so that brings up a whole new thing of whether or not the baby is covered under the mother's rights because it is connected or not?
Easter Bunny2
Bunny Pie
Well, the mother has the right to get rid of the baby since it is part of her. She has the right to cut off her arms and legs... so the fetus is just another extension of her body.
Mr James
Forum Addict
What about if you find out you are having twins but you only want one child so you kill one?
Does that change anyones view or do you all think it is still the same matter?
Does that change anyones view or do you all think it is still the same matter?
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Is your arm living? Do your arm's have a beating heart, a brain, and a organ system, the essentials for life? Probably not. That's not the only part wrong about you're theory. You arm's aren't going to come off unless unattached by force, unlike a baby who's going to come out of the mother's womb a human being.
Also; the part of being attached to the mother, making it the mother's choice, in my opinion is ignorant. The only reason the baby is attached to the mother is because it needs nutrients for the baby to survive. Besides..If the mother wants an abortion, and the father doesn't, shouldn't it be an 50/50 decision? With out that sperm, the egg would have never been fertilized, and the fetus never created.
The problem with abortion is that; it shows you can get pregnant, and get rid of your problems. These mothers are just so damn conceited that they can only think about them selfs. At least put the baby for adoption it's about the same price as abortion anyway. If you're going to have sex before marriage do it with protection. Instead of taking away an innocent life think before you act.
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Outkast_Bro said:
Of course it's living. It is made up of living cells.
Outkast_Bro said:
It doesn't matter if it requires nutrients. It's still attached to the mother.
The father doesn't carry the child. He can have input, sure, but the final decision is the mother's.
Outkast_Bro said:
Of course!
Outkast Bro said:
Rather than a lump of tissue that isn't a separate life?
Outkast_Bro said:
Apart from the nine months of inconvenience.
Outkast_Bro said:
It doesn't have rights. It doesn't matter if we kill it.
megajosh2
Member
I don't know how to really answer this question. I'd think if you abort a child, you kill a chance of life. Who are we to decide who lives and dies in such a manner, but then again, who are we to decide what a woman can do with her body? It's one tough question... Heh.