Is suicide right?

I believe if its justified, its fine.

Example:
A man loves his wife for many years, At the age of 50, his wife for 30+ years passes on. He has no family, no one who care about him and his entire world and reason for living with his wife. I see this as a perfectly reasonable reason to kill yourself.

A single father whose wife has died, and his only reason for living is his children. But a car accident takes the lives of his two sons. The reasonable result is another man dead.

Someone that is fat and gets made fun of at school and bullied is NOT a good enough reason for suicide. If it bothers this person that much, they should try puttin the fuckin fork down.

I find great loss such as the deaths of loved ones or a feeling that your purpose is complete in this world are both perfectly fine reasons to end you life.

But feeling sorry for yourself cuz u weigh a little bit more than other people, or you look different, or any of tht pussy shit just needs to learn to toughen up. When i was 15 I was 6 feet tall and almost 300 pounds. wore "gothic" clothing and had hair almost down to my ass. I took alot of shit but Im still alive cuz I got stronger, I lost weight and if sum1 started shit I didnt piss myself and go slit my wrist, I fought for myself, and thus look down on those who think ending their own lives is their only way out cuz people are mean to them.

 

Whether you are religious or not, suicide is never right. It's weak and cowardly. Some people think they are strong for having the guts to do it, but really they are very weak and cowardly for thinking it's the easy way out. The strong people are those who bite the bullet when they go through similar hardship, the people who get back on their feet and sort it out.

Religious people believe it's murder. Life is a gift and we don't own our bodies. Therefore suicide grants you a place in the depths of hell.

For me, the real crime is what you put your family and friends through. Consider how hard it would be for a parent to have to consider what they did wrong to for their child to take their own life. Did they not mean enough for you to want to carry out your life with them? Was it their fault? The only victims of suicide are the loved one's who are left to pick up the pieces.

Depression is but an element of selfishness, nothing more, nothing less. If you have a level head, you'll probably understand that.

 

The way I see it is that the people committing suicide are selfish. There life may be awful, however, almost everyone can get help. There is someone to care for everyone in the world.

Committing suicide is not fair to friends and family.

 

Maybe living isn't fair to the person suffering.

 

You're completely bigoted in that you seem to think you know the psychology behind depression, and the thought processes of those suffering from depression. Some people don't want to be rich, famous or whatever else is valued commonly in today's society, and you cannot pretend you know the minds of everybody. Also, saying "If you have a level head, you'll probably understand that" in a way of demeaning all those who don't think you're right by inherently insulting them is completely stupid, because otherwise I could just say any nonsense and say "If you don't understand that, you're stupid."

For some, life is torture in itself, and until you've experienced it yourself, you don't know what pushes people over the edge. Also, who do you know that "Thinks they're strong for being able to do it."? That's just a hasty generalisation made by you, because your bigotry doesn't allow you to accept or even see the opinion of others without wanting to spit on it.

If YOU really understood, you'd be willing to accept that in certain circumstances, people have the right to do what they want with their lives, and if them living is counter-productive to themselves, why even bother?

So what, because they leave a family behind they shouldn't think of themselves and just continue? - True in some cases, but not all.

Don't pretend to be the authority on psychology.

 

Living with pain is worse than not living at all. Of course it still depends on the situation.

 

If you commit suicide because of a permanent problem (Ex: death of someone) but still have people that love you then it would be wrong to commit suicide as it would harm others.

For all the other suicides that wouldn't have a negative effect on anyone and are caused by a permanent problem, there's no point in debating whether it's right or wrong.

 

What about the pain they leave behind to family members or friends?

 

Not relevant.

 

I think its a pretty selfish thing to waste the millions of years of years it took evolution to create you just because you cant find a better outlet :|

 

It's relevant. The topic didn't specify who is suicide right or wrong for.

 

My first post here, so i'd like to start off on the right foot. I like mindful/meaningful discussions, so here we go, I would like to discuss two people here, both bully victims, died (suicidal) different years.

First Person

Kristina Arielle Calco

Kristina was a year 12 student back in 2005, she had the best grades of anyone in the school, she was the highest academic achiever there. She seemed like the happiest girl in that school, she was always cracking jokes, making people laugh and more. Behind this fake picture she painted for herself, she was constantly, and i mean, CONSTANTLY bullied at school, she was called fat, ugly, a slut, and much more on a hourly basis of every day at school, weekends etc.

Kristina died, in 2005, because she hung herself in her basement, she told her friends, that the night of her Prom, there was going to be a big wonderful surprise, the surprise was, that she killed herself, and it had to be that her little sister was the one that found her hanging in the basement.

Second Person

Olivia Jane Penpraze

Bullied, for 4 years straight, most of this occurred at her own school, even over Facebook, Messenger, Skype etc. She was called fat, and ugly, and a slut more than anyone ever has at her school, kids continuously did, not knowing the dire consequences it was going to cause, because they are stupid bullies. She was bullied daily, her bullies found anyway possible to get to her, and call her names, and do other nasty things, which i don't want to reveal here. She put on a fake smile, and she was good at it, not even her own parents knew what was going on, she merely stated that she was fine, as any normal teenager does. She was bullied for 5 ears straight, and no stopping ever occurred, it never stopped, until her death happened.

Olivia Jane Penpraze died on 3 April 2012, her story went wildfire all over the internet, their was virtual Funeral Services, real life Services, people lit candles, gave moments of silence and much more.

A Picture of Olivia Jane Penpraze: (Very beautiful girl, i wish i knew her in real life)


Photo of Kristina Arielle Calco: (Very beautiful also)


My input on this subject

Suicide, makes me cry, I am a grown man,when i saw these two stories, I cried the moment i had time alone, i saw these storied straight after each other, i was on Facebook, and i saw a post about Olivia, after i finished reading her story, i saw the story about Kristina, i have never cried so much in one night, People committing Suicide, almost give me suicidal tendencies. I don't think it is selfish at all, Suicide is your choice, if you believe you can't get out of your mess, or you don't want to, your decision is your own, and your's only. No one shall decide you own fate. If you want to get out of your situation, you must try, don't be afraid to tell people, even if it is only one person, tell them everything, get their help, they will be willing to do it, anyone would, even a homeless person will discuss solutions to your depression. (My belief, don't take it to heart)

It's a sad world, when people commit suicide, because of other people, personally, i am grade 12, nearly finished, i have been bullied since i hit year 2, and i still get bullied by those same people, they add me on Facebook, thinking they have got over their little bully phase, and i check back later, they have written a huge ass post on my wall, saying the nastiest things imaginable, this made me suicidal at one point, and the person i get help from, my grade 2 teacher, i went to the school, i talked to her, she talked to me, and we resolved it together. In grade 7, another "serious" bullying regime occurred, this "boy", always use to push me, steal my packed lunch, my lunch money, and one day, even split my head wide open on a brick wall, i was hospitalized for 2 weeks because of him, you know what kept me from thinking of Suicide then, i went and beat him up, along with all my friends (4 of them, 5 including me), we trapped him in a corner, and beat the crap out of him, no hospital for him though, we aren't bulllie's ourselves, after that, he left the school, and appeared again after i moved schools, due to other bullies there. In year 8, i was bullied by a girl, yes, a girl, for about 7 months, she was always just doing stupid things, calling me names, teasing me, and all the usual stuff, and i couldn't do anything, i had no friends, because i just moved to that school, and she turned everyone against me, it was hard, the school couldn't do anything they said, after a bit if digging around,i figured this girls back story out, she was in a notorious family, well known in my town, (it was small), everyone was scared of them, even the school, so they did nothing, i was forced to go to school, with no friends, sit on my own, i hardly had lunch, because people always stole it, i was forced to lie to the cafeteria ladies, and say that i orded lunch and i didn't get it, i did this maybe once every 4-5 months, but that wasn't enough, i resorted to stealing from people to get my lunch, it's not ethical, but was a requirement for me. I am not proud of it, but it had to be done, my family was semi-poor, we had enough trouble paying the bills, and the paying the house off.

Suicide brings me to tears every time i hear about it, you are NOT a coward for wanting to commit suicide under any circumstance. (besides acting like your suicidal for attention)

Believe what you want, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but don't question other people's beliefs without proper reasoning. I am open to listening to other people's ideas about my beliefs, but at least have half of a working brain, before questioning me.

There is my input, if you skipped/skimmed my entire story, i suggest going back and actually READING it, otherwise, you will get the wrong idea.

Thanks for reading

Dylan Krajewski

 

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Touching story so pardon the derailing a bit.

If your ever in the New York City area and suffer from any issue like this in the future, do send me a PM.

 

I am Australian, some schools are difficult here, some aren't, i have been in private schools all of my life, until year 11, that's when i hit public school, and i have less problems at public school then i did at private schools, i don't get it, but, off topic, thanks for the offer anyways <3

 

Hi dylankrajewski,

I understand your complete sorrow towards the two girls above and I agree that it is very sad to lose both of them, let alone hear their stories. But both stories prove the point I was trying to say earlier - that suicidal people are irrational (due to the bottling of emotions), and thus, they need help from people with a more rational mindset. In the case of the 2 girls you gave above, both committed suicide due to bullying - people would call them fat, ugly, etc. when it is EXTREMELY obvious that they're both not fat nor ugly. However, the more the girls would hear from outside sources that they were fat/ugly, the more they would believe they were fat/ugly, thus showing their irrational mindset. In fact, they may even look at themselves in the mirror and truly see someone who is fat/ugly, even though they clearly aren't.

Cognitive behavioral therapy would have most likely worked marvelously on these girls, as they can easily take these bullies' comments as signs of jealousy, which should make one even more proud of him/herself (if people are jealous of you, it's most likely because you're doing something better than they could ever do it).

The sad thing is that they tried to bottle in their feelings, which only exacerbates the irrational mindset. Instead of seeking help for a problem they obviously knew they had, they kept trying to bottle their emotions in until they reached the point of suicide. It's really sad when such preventable cases occur, because these girls both had treatable incidences of suicide. What's even more sad is that their fellow humans were the cause of their deaths at such a young age. To cause the death of someone before their life has even begun is considered a crime in my book. But bad people exist everywhere, and evidently it is possible to not be put down by such people. It's not like every kid that's bullied commits suicide. Some people know how to deal with it (by, for example, seeing the mean comments as signs of jealousy). This is, in essence, what cognitive behavioral therapy tries to do - it tries to change the way you interpret information. If only the girls had some professional help, they could have been alive and well with us today.

 

Everytime I get a suicide thought I'll just jerk the gherkin. Just kidding, I don't get suicide thoughts.

 

Get lost you incompetent fool, you are the reason people here in this section are looked down upon, take your arrogance elsewhere.

 

i also agree, people that commit suicides are cowards that cant handle life

 

You are pathetic, just saying.
There's nothing wrong with suicide.
It's your life and if you choose to end it then it should be your choice.

 

I believe suicide should actually be legal. How Futurama has suicide booths? That is the future. Seriously, how can you tell someone who doesn't WANT life to live life to it's fullest? You only live once, so if that person has the balls to put a gun to their head and say "Fuck this one life I have.", then they obviously have more than enough reason in their head to not go on. If you put someone in the position, like Americans do, where if they get caught trying to commit suicide, they get watched and monitored and scanned and treated like abnormal fucks, then they will just want to fucking die more. This is so wrong. If you don't want to take control of you're own life, obviously you don't want other people to control it for you. So just fucking deal with it. There will always be unhappy people. There will always be those people that would rather see what's on the other side or even see eternal darkness rather than dealing with the fucked up society and hassles we have today. I blame nobody but the people who try to control those lives. Give that person reasons to stay alive. If you can't, don't send them to a fucking hospital to "recover" from something that is just going to get worse through this supposed "recovery". I've had enough friends kill themselves that I know what someone on the verge of doing it is thinking, and it's not "Someone help me!", it's "Someone get me the fuck out of here.".