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Subatomic particles travelling FASTER than the Speed of Light.

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Very recently, some research that has not yet been published, but provides an inkling towards the fact that something can travel faster than the speed of light has been discovered.

Physicists at the lab near Geneva say they've observed subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light. If confirmed, it would defy Einstein — and upend our understanding of physics.

Albert Einstein had the idea. A century of observations have backed it up. It's one of the cornerstones of physics: Nothing travels faster than the speed of light.

But now a team of experimental physicists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, known as CERN, says that one exotic particle possibly can.

The scientists reached their conclusion after sending streams of tiny, subatomic particles called neutrinos hurtling from an accelerator at CERN outside Geneva to a detector at the Gran Sasso National Laboratory in Italy, about 450 miles away.

The neutrinos seemed to get there too soon — 60 nanoseconds too soon, give or take — than they should if they'd been traveling at the speed of light.

That slight edge, if it holds up under scrutiny, has enormous implications for our understanding of the laws of nature, physicists said.

"Basically, all of special relativity would be wrong," said Drexel University physics professor Dave Goldberg, referring to Einstein's 1905 theory establishing that light travels at a constant speed, regardless of how fast an observer is traveling, and that nothing in the universe can go faster than it.

"If you have particles traveling faster than the speed of light, you can in principle go back in time. So you can be your own grandmother. As you can imagine, that causes some problems," said Stephen Parke, a theoretical particle physicist at Fermilab in Batavia, Ill.

The operative word is "if."

"I'm fairly skeptical. I expect most people are," Goldberg said.

The physicists responsible for the work said they'd checked their findings stringently.

"We wanted to find all possible explanations for this. We wanted to find a mistake, but we didn't," said physicist Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the so-called OPERA experiment, in an interview with the BBC on Thursday.

Because it was such "a crazy result," the team was releasing its data, based on three years of measurements, so that others in the scientific community could confirm or refute the findings, he added.

The researchers posted the paper online Thursday evening and planned a seminar at CERN to discuss the findings Friday.

But even before the paper was available, scientists with the capability to generate and measure the speed of neutrinos were gearing up to try to duplicate the results.

"As you can imagine, something like this is so revolutionary that everyone who can weigh in will be attempting to do so," said particle physicist Rob Plunkett, co-spokesperson for the MINOS experiment at Fermilab.

In 2007, MINOS scientists also clocked neutrinos apparently moving faster than the speed of light, but the margin of error for that experiment was far greater than what was reported at CERN.

"It was not enough to make a scientific claim," Plunkett said.

MINOS scientists may perform experiments of their own in as soon as six months, said particle physicist and MINOS co-spokesperson Jenny Thomas.

Plans to test the CERN results in Japan's multinational T2K (Tokai-to-Kamioka) experiment are in the works, said neutrino physicist and T2K spokesman Chang Kee Jung.

Noodling the ramifications — should the findings be confirmed — gave physicists pause. There are just too many things in nature that special relativity explains.

"What does it mean? I don't know," Goldberg said. "The list of things we believe we understand still have to be true. You'd have to have another theory that makes them all work, but also accounts for this."

Parke, a fellow skeptic, said the findings could be explained without tossing out special relativity. For one thing, he said, it's possible the neutrinos' passage hadn't been timed accurately.

Or maybe the neutrinos were traveling through different dimensions, taking shortcuts from Geneva to Gran Sasso.

"The jury's still out," Plunkett said. "It's revolutionary in principle. One has to approach it with healthy skepticism."
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-0923-speed-of-light-20110923,0,497738.story

If you think this is bogus, google for yourself. It's a very recent discovery that, though has not yet been published nor confirmed may provide inordinately useful and challenging information for particle physicists to reconcile, and conjure up a new theory, and or add an addendum to the old Special Relativity.
 
Interesting, well that would completely dash all theories of "time travel" because if those particles are travelling faster than the speed of light, then that means time travel doesn't work that way.
 
Interesting, well that would completely dash all theories of "time travel" because if those particles are travelling faster than the speed of light, then that means time travel doesn't work that way.
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"If you have particles traveling faster than the speed of light, you can in principle go back in time. So you can be your own grandmother. As you can imagine, that causes some problems," said Stephen Parke, a theoretical particle physicist at Fermilab in Batavia, Ill.


Anyways, when they rule out possible errors and oversights and there's more supporting studies it'll be awesome, at least because of the fantasies offered by the possibilities. Until then, don't bet on time traveling to the past to save your first love from a tragic accident.
 
Yes, this aids the theory of time travel, but it's still a far fetched idea. Sure, they got subatomic particles to travel at the speed of light, now get every particle in the human body to do it... Impossible.

Still an incredible discovery non the less, assuming the research is accurate.
 
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I still don't see how you could be your own grandmother...

Seems like a pretty stupid metaphor if you ask me.

If you're a female, you go back in time, fuck your grandfather, have his child, then go back to the present.
 
Interesting, well that would completely dash all theories of "time travel" because if those particles are travelling faster than the speed of light, then that means time travel doesn't work that way.

No, people time travel all the time, even though it is a tiny amount.

For example

If you flew on a plain for 24hours straight and got off you would be younger than you would have been if you had not got on the plain.

It's an interesting find, but id like to see more test results, for example over a larger area other than 450miles.
 
I still don't see how you could be your own grandmother...

Seems like a pretty stupid metaphor if you ask me.
Parallel universes. I know it would be sort of stupid to go back to the past to fuck a grandfather who's not actually your grandfather, but that's one possible explanation...

I personally think it'll be a LONG time before we start time traveling (but I'm still skeptic if it's even possible), but if this is confirmed to be true, then that changes a lot of things.
 
Well if your going back how could you reach something in the future? Like if it leaves destination A traveling faster than the speed of light (and in theory going back in time) how would it reach destination B unless it decelerates?

Im probably just confused lol.
 
Well if your going back how could you reach something in the future? Like if it leaves destination A traveling faster than the speed of light (and in theory going back in time) how would it reach destination B unless it decelerates?

Im probably just confused lol.

it would just reach the point quicker than light would have, technically the particles would have gone back in time, but it would be so miniscule you would only be able to tell by highly sensitive equipment.
 
Since we're talking about time travel and the grandfather paradox, I'll give a mindfuck quiz to everybody.

A baby girl is mysteriously left at an orphanage in Cleveland in 1945. "Jane" grows up lonely and dejected, not knowing who her parents are, until one day in 1963 she is strangely attracted to a drifter. She falls in love with him. But just when things are finally looking up for Jane, a series of disasters strike. First, she becomes pregnant by the drifter, who then disappears. Second, during the complicated delivery, doctors find that Jane has both sets of sex organs, and to save her life, they are forced to surgically convert "her" to a "him." Finally, a mysterious stranger kidnaps her baby from the delivery room. Reeling from these disasters, rejected by society, scorned by fate, "he" becomes a drunkard and drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop's Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he (Jane) join the "time travelers corps." Both of them enter a time machine, and the bartender drops off the drifter in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan woman, who subsequently becomes pregnant. The bartender then goes forward nine months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops off the baby in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time travelers corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together, becomes a respected and elderly member of the time travelers corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop's Place in 1970.

Now draw Jane's family tree.
 
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It might be true, but I believe that what really happened was that the neutrinos actually skipped through dimensions or something similar, and I believe that light would still be the fastest thing in the world if they stayed in the same dimension.
 
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