Proof that Taxation is Slavery

[Trinity19]

Even if they did spend it on these things (which there is no evidence to support), does that justify enslaving people? -- Pointing GUNS at them if they don't agree?

By all accounts all that is ever done with tax money is this: they use it and you (your labour) as collateral to borrow 3 - 10 times that amount again, give you back half of what they took originally in the form of police which beat you, harass you while driving, and take your stuff, courts that don't work, and schools which actively braindeaden their students. Don't forget the nonfunctional hospitals with waiting lists longer than the breadlines in Soviet Russia, and several ongoing, grinding, world wars responsible for the majority of unnatural death in the last century.

By all accounts they do a fine fucking job with their blood money.

The first underlined part is contradicted by the second, also you have the right to not agree with taxes all you want, even if you don't pay them or file them I don't really see many cases where they point guns at you (possibly very rare and small cases with other outside factors in place) they will remind you for a few months and then send agents to ask you and try to make you file/pay and if that doesn't work then criminal charges can be pressed. Seems justified since paying taxes makes 100% sense.

form of police which beat you, harass you while driving, and take your stuff,

You can't honestly say you believe that this is even close to a majority of police members? They dont "beat" you they incapacitate you if it is needed, precautions are taken and if someone goes outside of these precautions then they probably will take these procedures steps. (Example: Someone keeps their hands in their pockets this holds the threat and possibility of a gun. The phrase "better safe than sorry" takes place here)

Harass you while driving? They are making sure you aren't a threat to everyone else on the road.(Now with the whole seatbelt thing I'm, iffy about since it should be up to you) However, if your lights are out, or if your swerving or going to fast then yes they will harass you because you are becoming an increasing threat.

Take your stuff, when and under what circumstances? Too vague too know what you're talking about.

courts that don't work

The system is flawed I won't dispute that, and it is very slow however it does work efficiantly to a degree.

and schools which actively braindeaden their students.

You would have to explain this to me since I don't quite see it. While the system isn't best fit for each individual student, for the masses it works well. Compare this to any other country with no/weak established education system and you'll see it does benefit.

Don't forget the nonfunctional hospitals with waiting lists longer than the breadlines in Soviet Russia, and several ongoing, grinding, world wars responsible for the majority of unnatural death in the last century.

Hospitals and Healthcare are tricky situation, they work but no system is perfect. Steps are taken to decrease the waiting lists as much as possible without sacrificing the level of care for others. The patients who need immediate attention are cared for first and that is rightly so, I'm sorry if treating someone with a cold isn't as important as someone with hears failure.

Also "world" wars...from an economic perspective it was a good idea for us to take part and intervene in these wars. The US had so much invested in the French and British if we didn't help in WWI we would have been thrown into depression with the loss incurred.
This was also roughely the reason for entering WWII as well.

By all accounts they do a fine fucking job with their blood money.

Better than most and thats really all we can ask for short of perfection.

 

[Mr Black]

You never responded to my post. Why ?

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

You never responded to my post. Why ?

From what I've seen, he response to arguments that are worth debating against. If he sees you don't see certain facts and keep providing pure personal views he will simply go to the next post.

But as to what you said, you're essentially saying we have to pay for all our freedom meaning those freedoms don't exist since we are born instead its something else money can buy.

Roads are essentially made possible by us, our money.

The government always seems to find a new way to tax us for something incredulously absurd. WE pay for everything and then some.

 

[Mr Black]

From what I've seen, he response to arguments that are worth debating against. If he sees you don't see certain facts and keep providing pure personal views he will simply go to the next post.

But as to what you said, you're essentially saying we have to pay for all our freedom meaning those freedoms don't exist since we are born instead its something else money can buy.

Roads are essentially made possible by us, our money.

The government always seems to find a new way to tax us for something incredulously absurd. WE pay for everything and then some.

I would appreciate a post saying that my argument isn't worth responding to. And why, as I cited all of his arguments in mine.

I'm not claiming the government is unfair, just that we're not slaves. The roads are made possible by us. By our money, that we pay in taxes.

If we didn't have taxes to pay for police forces, fire fighters and Ambulances etc, we would have a society such as Africa. Crime would be rampant, so would disease, natural disasters would wreck communities.

I am not saying they don't take more then they should, just that we are given back most of what we put into the government. We are not slaves through taxation.

 

[neo coolboy]

Would you consider said servitude to be a negative aspect of society though sythe?

In principle taxation and government is one of mankinds greatest inventions.

 

The first underlined part is contradicted by the second

Putting money down as deposit on debt is not the same as spending it on the provision of services.

also you have the right to not agree with taxes all you want, even if you don't pay them or file them I don't really see many cases where they point guns at you (possibly very rare and small cases with other outside factors in place) they will remind you for a few months and then send agents to ask you and try to make you file/pay and if that doesn't work then criminal charges can be pressed. Seems justified since paying taxes makes 100% sense.

Yes, then they kidnap you and lock you in a rape dungeon... You're an idiot.

You can't honestly say you believe that this is even close to a majority of police members? They dont "beat" you they incapacitate you if it is needed, precautions are taken and if someone goes outside of these precautions then they probably will take these procedures steps. (Example: Someone keeps their hands in their pockets this holds the threat and possibility of a gun. The phrase "better safe than sorry" takes place here)

Amazing. Youtube "police brutality" I dare you.

Harass you while driving? They are making sure you aren't a threat to everyone else on the road.(Now with the whole seatbelt thing I'm, iffy about since it should be up to you) However, if your lights are out, or if your swerving or going to fast then yes they will harass you because you are becoming an increasing threat.

See above.

Take your stuff, when and under what circumstances? Too vague too know what you're talking about.

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Hospitals and Healthcare are tricky situation, they work but no system is perfect. Steps are taken to decrease the waiting lists as much as possible without sacrificing the level of care for others. The patients who need immediate attention are cared for first and that is rightly so, I'm sorry if treating someone with a cold isn't as important as someone with hears failure.

How long do you wait to get new contact lenses, or take your dog to the vet? There are perfectly functional free market alternatives which you are completely blind to.

Also "world" wars...from an economic perspective it was a good idea for us to take part and intervene in these wars. The US had so much invested in the French and British if we didn't help in WWI we would have been thrown into depression with the loss incurred.
This was also roughely the reason for entering WWII as well.

Not going to debate with someone who thinks killing 200 million people is a good idea.

 

Would you consider said servitude to be a negative aspect of society though sythe?

In principle taxation and government is one of mankinds greatest inventions.

It is the most vile aspect of humanity.

 

I am not saying they don't take more then they should, just that we are given back most of what we put into the government. We are not slaves through taxation.

I couldn't read your argument. Can you give it to me in two sentences?

 

[Mr Black]

I couldn't read your argument. Can you give it to me in two sentences?

Lol. Nevermind.

 

[Trinity19]

Putting money down as deposit on debt is not the same as spending it on the provision of services.

I'm going to assume you're talking about paying rent on an apartment/house when you said "putting money down as a deposit on debt" if I'm wrong in assuming this please tell me.
When you pay rent you are essentially paying for services such as shelter which yes is the debt you incur. While with the services taxes pay for this is just as much the case, you pay for the services you use, this is where the debt occurs. However yes you do pay for services you don't even use, this is because if people only paid for what they used then 1.) They probably couldn't afford it and 1a) The price of each would be so high it wouldn't even be feasible for the service to continue.

Yes, then they kidnap you and lock you in a rape dungeon... You're an idiot.

I'm guessing you're joking because that's laughable, and thank you for calling me an idiot, it usually weakens an argument when you just insult someone instead of argue with them.

Amazing. Youtube "police brutality" I dare you.

Wow I'm shocked, it actually happens? 0.0 /sarcasm.

A white guy raped a girl once, guess all white men rape women.
Honestly if you're going to actually sit here and stand by that you think because a small minority of the police act like this, then I'm sorry but you have no argument because as I said its the "small" (emphasis on small) minority.

See above.

Same answer.

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I've known about this already, and while yes it can be used for bad reasons it does have a beneficial side.

How long do you wait to get new contact lenses, or take your dog to the vet? There are perfectly functional free market alternatives which you are completely blind to.

Well when I wore contact lenses I got them about an hour after I came in for my eye checkup, they had a stock in the back.
With the vet usually you can get in that very day, but this depends on the area and you can't blame the hospitals or anyone at all for a natural process, (Larger population=more appointments=longer waiting times) its basic and can't be helped.

Not going to debate with someone who thinks killing 200 million people is a good idea.

This isn't a debate on the worth of a life. I was looking at the economic aspects of it. If you wanted to have a debate on whether I hold life to the same level as you then make one.
On this thread however, I was simply stating a beneficial reason for entering the war.

 

[Piltro]

You don't pay taxes if you're a illegal immigrant, so are they truly the free ones?

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

You don't pay taxes if you're a illegal immigrant, so are they truly the free ones?

In a way, yes.

 

[Trinity19]

You don't pay taxes if you're a illegal immigrant, so are they truly the free ones?

Well it's not slavery but technically they are a bit less constricted but they lose the benefits of that constriction. They're forced to the low low jobs with very little room for any kind of advancement. So yeah they don't have to pay taxes but I doubt you'll see many illegals making over a few grand a year.

 

[WeRnIE]

For example, I win the lottery.
No one helped me to win it, but I still need to pay the taxes, and pretty big ones.

Taxes is a good think, but in some countries/cases they are just too big, and it is a slavery as you said. When the taxes are not so big it is okay.

 

[shawnwill1210]

Taxes are a form of slavery. I mean look at how many taxes we pay.
Income Tax
Sales Tax
Housing Taxes
Social Security and Medicare
If you want to open a business you have to pay a ton of taxes and all sorts of stuff.

Money is a means in which our government controls us, even though money has no value. It is simply a piece of paper. It has no value because it has no backing and the government can simply print more.

 

[Nunchuck]

This is a real eye-opener 0.0

 

[Insidious Insinuations]

Even if they did spend it on these things (which there is no evidence to support), does that justify enslaving people? -- Pointing GUNS at them if they don't agree?

By all accounts all that is ever done with tax money is this: they use it and you (your labour) as collateral to borrow 3 - 10 times that amount again, give you back half of what they took originally in the form of police which beat you, harass you while driving, and take your stuff, courts that don't work, and schools which actively braindeaden their students. Don't forget the nonfunctional hospitals with waiting lists longer than the breadlines in Soviet Russia, and several ongoing, grinding, world wars responsible for the majority of unnatural death in the last century.

By all accounts they do a fine fucking job with their blood money.

I've lurked a lot in this section and not posting much due to the almost vehement anti-theist rhetoric but I've seen many of your posts here... As much as I'm going to try not come across as a brown-noser; you're absolutely right in recognizing the problems - we however differ on the solutions. If only I knew just a handful of people IRL with like-minded critical thinking abilities or even a few grains of good ol' common sense.

 

[Trinity19]

I've lurked a lot in this section and not posting much due to the almost vehement anti-theist rhetoric but I've seen many of your posts here... As much as I'm going to try not come across as a brown-noser; you're absolutely right in recognizing the problems - we however differ on the solutions. If only I knew just a handful of people IRL with like-minded critical thinking abilities or even a few grains of good ol' common sense.

They are only problems if you view them in this overly-problematic light.

Sythe looked and used only the problems that are seen in a vast minority of the situations, and then calls them the problems that are plaguing society.
These are not critical thinking skills, this is a tactic to give more importance to a smaller problem to make the whole look more corrupt than it actually is.

Because we all know all cops going around beating helpless people and stealing from their houses, and all schools are feeding kids led paint as to "braindeaden" them, and ofcourse all hospitals have hundreds of beds open but they don't want to let the rift raft in to their prestigious establishment. /sarcasm.

Common sense would be to realize the situation as a whole and remember that with any probability of success, no matter how high the success rate there is a chance of failure. Apply this to any project or any situation and you must realize that while there is say a 1% chance of failure (and in a long run term these will happen as probability will dictate) you must also remember that 99% of that will be purely success. But this tactic is taking that 1% and making it seem as though it were the 99% and there is rarely any success which is not the case.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

They are only problems if you view them in this overly-problematic light.

Sythe looked and used only the problems that are seen in a vast minority of the situations, and then calls them the problems that are plaguing society.
These are not critical thinking skills, this is a tactic to give more importance to a smaller problem to make the whole look more corrupt than it actually is.

Because we all know all cops going around beating helpless people and stealing from their houses, and all schools are feeding kids led paint as to "braindeaden" them, and ofcourse all hospitals have hundreds of beds open but they don't want to let the rift raft in to their prestigious establishment. /sarcasm.

Common sense would be to realize the situation as a whole and remember that with any probability of success, no matter how high the success rate there is a chance of failure. Apply this to any project or any situation and you must realize that while there is say a 1% chance of failure (and in a long run term these will happen as probability will dictate) you must also remember that 99% of that will be purely success. But this tactic is taking that 1% and making it seem as though it were the 99% and there is rarely any success which is not the case.

That's not it. He's simply showing you how the government masked taxation so it could be blindly accepted. There's ridiculous taxes out there that we don't have a say in really, although some of it may go for good causes most doesn't. It shows a form of slavery. You're still on the stance that our government is fine and dandy, that they make mistakes but its only small ones so no biggy. Just because all their mistakes aren't known to us doesn't mean everything is fine.

You may think some of these problems as minority, but I bet you're simply taking into account media coverage and what you seen. There's a lot that happens and is never told about.

 

[Trinity19]

That's not it. He's simply showing you how the government masked taxation so it could be blindly accepted. There's ridiculous taxes out there that we don't have a say in really, although some of it may go for good causes most doesn't. It shows a form of slavery. You're still on the stance that our government is fine and dandy, that they make mistakes but its only small ones so no biggy. Just because all their mistakes aren't known to us doesn't mean everything is fine.

You may think some of these problems as minority, but I bet you're simply taking into account media coverage and what you seen. There's a lot that happens and is never told about.

I could somewhat see the standpoint on the tax idea, while I didn't agree with it I could definitely see it.

However this evolved much farther when Sythe started bringing in other situations into the conversation.

Most taxes are for good reasons and actually most of the things we pay for we don't even use, the main reason for this being that if we didn't all pay (even for things we don't use) the things we would would cost outstanding amounts of money and they just wouldn't be feasible to even exist.

While there are a few you can call ridiculous the main one was the topic that started this thread which was ridiculous in itself to call slavery. If anything this law simply makes it so people can't cheat their taxes and file a payment or gift at an improper time. You have to have the ability to receive it and if you can there is no reason they shouldn't be able to tax it.

And also, I'm not taking it by media coverage I'm taking it by what I've seen and by the statistics that have been presented. It would be completely different for each person if they simply went by media coverage but let me ask you if you think that every cop is a dirty cop and only looking for their profit? You honestly think thats a majority trait?