Minors - taxation without representation?

[Alt 14]

The following is a summary of a dream I had last night that very thought provoking and I woke up astounded at my subconsciousness. Anyway, for all of you who don't know, the phrase "No taxation without representation" was used during the years leading up to the American Revolution. Google it if you don't know American history at all.


Anyway, in the dream I somehow discovered *something* that made me very rich. I don't quite know what but I got a large sum of money. That same day, taxes were due for the previous year and I "owed" the government a total of 85% of my income between federal, state and local. This made me very mad and everyone I told about my situation had the "Hey kid, that's the way it is" attitude. The next thing I know I'm in Boston, Mass. with a bunch of activists I somehow rounded up. We chanted "No taxation without representation" just as our forefathers did 200 years ago as we destroyed a ton of government property. Basically, it was the second Boston Tea Party.



The point of the dream is minors are forced into paying taxes, but they have zero say in the laws that be or any form of representation. I feel the same way about minors being tried as an adult. How can you hold someone who is not "of age" accountable for crimes as an adult would yet not give him the civil liberties and privileges as an adult? It makes no sense. How can I be held accountable for stealing a car but not for making sure what I do with my body is in my best interest or the best for my health?

Let's see what sythe.org has to say about this. Should you steal money from a child and then tell him he isn't old enough to decide if throwing billions of dollars toward a war (for example) is the best idea?

 

[Alt 14]

Bump, don't give a fuck. Forgot I posted this, but now I remember so discuss.

 

[MDS]

The point of the dream is minors are forced into paying taxes, but they have zero say in the laws that be or any form of representation.

thats actually a really good point, we have to pay taxes on everything we buy,and we have NO say whatsoever in any politics... bullshit imo...

 

[wtp]

i agree minors shouldent have to pay taxes.

 

[Gekkostate]

Yeah so if you don't pay taxes you shouldn't be protected by that same government right? Since you're not giving anything to them then their police force should NOT have to help you when in need since you aren't helping pay their salary, am i not right? Seriously guys think about what taxes are used to pay for then bitch about them like come on just cause we pay SMALL taxes doesn't mean we should have a say in major political decisions. "Oh hey i just payed 5$ taxes on my groceries, i say we should invade all other countries".....gtfo

Actually wait yeah let's stop paying taxes and let the country fall into a recession even faster, that's a SMASHING IDEA omgzors howcomes we never thought of this earlier?!

We all follow the same rules and are thus protected by the same rules, equivelant exchange.

 

[Shredderbeam]

You're right. If "no taxation without representation" is valid, then it follows that minors shouldn't have to pay taxes.

Of course, I would rather the mantra be something like "no taxes without assent". Individuals can vote for people to represent them, but if the majority votes a different way, then their voice goes unheard. It's rule of what's popular, basically.

 

[DropKick Murphys]

^
It's a bit cliche, but democracy is really just tyranny of the majority.
By the definition of taxation it should be illegal. If money is freely given than it is no longer a tax, but a donation.

 

[TJ]

Nah, im 16 and i agree with paying tax's. It does help build the roads that i drive on, does help build the classrooms i sit in.

 

[P00nasaurus]

woah, thats a really good point. but how would the gov. not tax us, you know?

 

[TJ]

If the government did not tax us, then there would be a lack of road repairs, and a lack of eductational activities. Anyways, taxes really aren't that much..my check gets like..$10 taken out of it and i usually make $150 bi-weekly.

 

[MDS]

well, how bout the government makes welfare cuts, then they can afford road repairs ect without taxing minors?

 

[Alt 14]

Nah, im 16 and i agree with paying tax's. It does help build the roads that i drive on, does help build the classrooms i sit in.

You socialist bastard.

woah, thats a really good point. but how would the gov. not tax us, you know?

Umm... Not withhold it from your paycheck? If the govt is going to steal my money the least they can do is let me vote for people to represent me.

well, how bout the government makes welfare cuts, then they can afford road repairs ect without taxing minors?

Exactly man. Start reducing government spending and we can start reducing taxes. If it were up to me I would start with overseas military occupation, then stupid shit like money spent on wire taps, etc etc.

 

[DropKick Murphys]

If the government did not tax us, then there would be a lack of road repairs, and a lack of eductational activities.

Awww, you mean you wouldn't have the shitty overpriced services the government provides? It would be terrible if you could choose to purchase education, or use of roads, wouldn't it?

Anyways, taxes really aren't that much..my check gets like..$10 taken out of it and i usually make $150 bi-weekly.

Regardless, it is theft.
Just because you might agree with it doesn't mean you can force other people to pay.

 

[Inventor]

That idea really makes me want to do something about it. It's essentially bureaucracy at it's finest. I feel that as a 16 year old, I deal with bureaucratic garbage on a daily basis and board of ed/political ridiculousness.

These kinds of things make me wish I wasn't lazy and made it into quality classes and got some good grades. Now I have even less say with what goes on.

 

[sythe's lil helper]

Who would build all the schools and roads? I mean the U.S would fal apart!

 

[The_Ace]

it's just a dream, unless you want to go to a physcologist to analyse it, but i don't think he'll tell you much unless that dream happens ever night.

 

[TJ]

Awww, you mean you wouldn't have the shitty overpriced services the government provides? It would be terrible if you could choose to purchase education, or use of roads, wouldn't it?


Regardless, it is theft.
Just because you might agree with it doesn't mean you can force other people to pay.

Don't live then.

Because whenever you drive on roads, tax's pay for it.

Next time you want to have the right to an education, don't go. Tax's help pay for the building.

Every place you go, tax's had part in you either getting there, or being there.

 

[Inventor]

True. We need to be taxed. We can't change that now, if only the gov't started without taxing anyone under the age of 18.

Although.. then parents would send kids for them to the supermarket etc. so they wouldn't have to pay taxes.

 

[AkA_Stoney]

nothing you hear is the truth, you really have no clue where your money is going, this country is run by the government and you do have a say, but what they want to happen, WILL.

 

[Deacon Frost]

If the government did not tax us, then there would be a lack of road repairs, and a lack of eductational activities. Anyways, taxes really aren't that much..my check gets like..$10 taken out of it and i usually make $150 bi-weekly.

I spend about 350$ biweekly in taxes.

And there is a thing called paying for what you use? Toll roads? Private schooling? etc.


Taxes are dumb, most of what we pay is war tax, and we weren't even at war.

Point being, taxes should be removed, services should be paid for, and the union should be demolished. .

I'm 18, but I agree with the minors taxation without representation problem.