Osama's death was not justified

[shawnwill1210]

When I first found out that Osama was dead, I was happy. I thought this meant that progress was being made and that the US was closer to pulling out of the middle east. However, this happiness quickly turned into utter disgust. Regardless of crimes committed, he deserved a fair trial. By senselessly killing him, the US is simply stating to the world that they are correct in their judgement without allowing Osama to defend himself. The US acts as if it is infallible, which is just wrong. The celebrations occuring throughout the US because of this death also disgust me. Two wrongs do not make a right. Thousands of wrongs, add one more, do not make a right. The hatred that people have for one another and see past emotions to see the actual truth. By expressing joy for a death, you are expressing hatred, and by expressing hatred you are causing hatred.

Discuss.

Whose to say they just executed him?

I am in the military and although i havent been deployed yet i have mnany friends that have (i work with long tabbers)

And if you havent been in combat then dont judge the actions. a target cannot always be captured alive. It is what it is

and i dont care what the news says, last i checked the U.S probably wont release that he was openly trying to surrender. So how would news that? Last i checked they sweep things like that under the rug.

But if someone like osama tried to surrender to me id double tap his ass in the head just the same

 

[wogsRus]

I do feel kind of sorry for him - sure he did some bad stuff, but he shouldn't have been shot and buried in the sea.

it is tradition to be burred in sea for his race.

OT: even if he was trailed he would be sentenced to death, committing a crime and killing a few people u get life in prison but osama killed thousands he doesnt deserve to live nor should he be allowed to live in prison for the rest of eternity

 

[uselesspoop]

u guys and your "fair" trials... it's so stupid. every HUMAN BEING deserves a fair trial. Osama wasn't a human being.

 

[raziaex]

Wow, time and time again; SuF proves to be one of the only respectable people on Sythe...
The rejoicing of another persons death is never justifiable. No matter what they've done - even if it is towards you or your relations and friends. You may hate him, feel like destroying him for what his done; but then how are you any better than him if you do the same? Vengeance is just an excuse for murder; a fallacy on the emotional level.

 

[malakadang]

I agree 100% with SuF; this sets an irreversible precedent that is both horrifying and immoral.

Whose to say they just executed him?

I am in the military and although i havent been deployed yet i have mnany friends that have (i work with long tabbers)

And if you havent been in combat then dont judge the actions. a target cannot always be captured alive. It is what it is

and i dont care what the news says, last i checked the U.S probably wont release that he was openly trying to surrender. So how would news that? Last i checked they sweep things like that under the rug.

But if someone like osama tried to surrender to me id double tap his ass in the head just the same

It was a planned assassination. They knew of his whereabouts before hand, it was calculated, and meticulously planned out by the top forces at the United States Disposal.

It wasn't some rookie soldiers walking down the street and saying hey, that looks like Osama; lets get him!

The operation took preparation and premeditation. I agree that a subject cannot always be captured alive, but it's not like Osama was guarded by 100,000 Taliban soldiers. He was guarded by what, 3 body guards? His son, someone else and an innocent meat shield?
Come on... The US outnumbered Osama at that point in time.

it is tradition to be burred in sea for his race.

OT: even if he was trailed he would be sentenced to death, committing a crime and killing a few people u get life in prison but osama killed thousands he doesnt deserve to live nor should he be allowed to live in prison for the rest of eternity

Committing a crime and killing a few people = the Death Penalty in most US countries.
Look what happened to Saddam Hussein.

u guys and your "fair" trials... it's so stupid. every HUMAN BEING deserves a fair trial. Osama wasn't a human being.

By that logic, nor are you.
He was smarter than you, wealthier than you, more committed than you. by definition he most certainly deserves a trial.

 

[Veni]

He was smarter than you, wealthier than you, more committed than you. by definition he most certainly deserves a trial.

You are right, everyone does deserve a trial. Nobody is found guilty, until proven guilty.

The determination of a person's guilt or innocence after hearing evidence for the prosecution certainly shouldn't apply to Osama but he was cheated out of our justice system.

 

[SuF]

As others said, it wasn't an execution, they broke into the compound, faced resistance and subdued him, gunfighting and with hostages as "meat shields"

Did he deserve a fair trial? Maybe.
Did he get one? No.

The reactions of people to the death is what is being argued, regardless of whether or not it was a planned killing.

Whose to say they just executed him?

I am in the military and although i havent been deployed yet i have mnany friends that have (i work with long tabbers)

And if you havent been in combat then dont judge the actions. a target cannot always be captured alive. It is what it is

and i dont care what the news says, last i checked the U.S probably wont release that he was openly trying to surrender. So how would news that? Last i checked they sweep things like that under the rug.

But if someone like osama tried to surrender to me id double tap his ass in the head just the same

Even if it was in self defense, there should have been a different reaction from people around the world.

u guys and your "fair" trials... it's so stupid. every HUMAN BEING deserves a fair trial. Osama wasn't a human being.

He is a human being by definition. You are changing the definition of it to fit your emotional state.

 

[Grrr]

When I first found out that Osama was dead, I was happy. I thought this meant that progress was being made and that the US was closer to pulling out of the middle east. However, this happiness quickly turned into utter disgust. Regardless of crimes committed, he deserved a fair trial. By senselessly killing him, the US is simply stating to the world that they are correct in their judgement without allowing Osama to defend himself. The US acts as if it is infallible, which is just wrong. The celebrations occuring throughout the US because of this death also disgust me. Two wrongs do not make a right. Thousands of wrongs, add one more, do not make a right. The hatred that people have for one another and see past emotions to see the actual truth. By expressing joy for a death, you are expressing hatred, and by expressing hatred you are causing hatred.

Discuss.

Exactly, we live in a society which revolves around the concept of fair trails. Whether it be in the American constitution or the Human Rights Act in the UK. Despite what this person has done, he should still be afforded a fair trial.

 

[Fate1]

He did not deserve to have a fair trial. I would have fucking cut his head off with a dull hatchet. He was a horrible person who's intentions were only to kill tons of innocent people. Why the hell would you want that guy alive?

 

[DE-ANGEL-O]

@Fate.......

, But true. A life for a life. this is how it was way back then. this is how it should be now. we have all this new technology we have all this new advances in the justice department, but the truth is if your willing to take a life your willing to die. and sense he had the heart to take thousands of lifes he knew that it was his day to die. he deserved to die and theres no getting passed it.

 

[ThE RaNdOm OnE]

As i have posted in other threads about this...

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy"

Martin Luther King Jr

 

[Kristian4th]

Although the terrorist attacks publicly admitted by him had stopped since I think 2005, I personally believe he would of only continued to operate and initiate conflict between the USA. I think he would of conducted more terrorist attacks and caused more events such as 9/11 and perhaps ones with a larger death toll. I think his death was justified by the US forces and he shouldn't of been entitled to a trial, besides, the news reported he refused to surrender and there was gunfire from both sides.

 

[Bodybordguru]

You know how when we captured Saddam Hussein, we spent MILLIONS of dollars just for the trial, and it took months to get to a verdict, when it was FACT (truth) that he was a murderer. Also, the Navy Seals had a right to be able to shoot him on spot because the terroist cowards shot at the Navy Seals, and in combat, they cannot shoot unless shot at. So, yes, it is justfied to have had Bin Laden killed.

 

[charmander412]

What are you talking about? He was killed because he and several other men--including his son--were firing automatic weapons at the Americans. You're not going to risk the lives of the seals involved by trying to somehow disarm the lot and take him alive. Also, he was buried in the sea because they did not want his grave to become a shrine.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

@SuF
Osama Bin Laden's death was legally justifiable. The United States declared war on Al-Quada under the international military campaign called the "Global War on Terrorism". Morally justifiable is a different matter.

 

[ProudCheater]

They killed him because he resisted, This is a war the constitution does not protect enemy's of the US. If he was Innocent he would not have hidden for 10 years and plus send videos taunting America.

 

[wtp]

I agree that people shouldn't celebrate someones death. Regardless of what they've done.

We are angry because he caused death, but rejoice in his own, which is contradictory and inhuman.

If it was possible he should have gotten a trial, but capturing him might not have been possible or risky. He undoubtedly had a major part in the murder of hundreds of people. We didn't need a trial to know he was guilty.

If he continued to live he might have had a part in killing more people. But, now his death may be responsible for deaths to come. That's a different discussion though.

 

[wtfomfgbbq101]

Once the a population gives up their rights of knowledge for safety.. all is lost.. and very few will know the truth. We live in dangerous times were democracy is run by cooperation and control of wealth. The poor will always get screwed over no matter what type of economic system and will always have different needs and ideology. So as a group or as a group of nations humanity will always starve for war with each other.

 

[Insidious Insinuations]

Logically, I'd agree.
But common sense and the nature of humanity interferes, this man deserved to die and I feel, although I'm not in jubilant celebration, that this was the correct thing to do.

No matter how unjust, someone like this simply has to go.

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Except it was never proven that he did any of those things.

u guys and your "fair" trials... it's so stupid. every HUMAN BEING deserves a fair trial. Osama wasn't a human being.

Your moniker sums up my view on this post.

As i have posted in other threads about this...

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy"

Martin Luther King Jr

... MLK never said that.

You know how when we captured Saddam Hussein, we spent MILLIONS of dollars just for the trial, and it took months to get to a verdict, when it was FACT (truth) that he was a murderer. Also, the Navy Seals had a right to be able to shoot him on spot because the terroist cowards shot at the Navy Seals, and in combat, they cannot shoot unless shot at. So, yes, it is justfied to have had Bin Laden killed.

The Navy Seals outnumbered and outgunned them not mentioning the element of surprise, how does this show cowardice?

Proof millions of dollars were spent on the trial?

@SuF
Osama Bin Laden's death was legally justifiable. The United States declared war on Al-Quada under the international military campaign called the "Global War on Terrorism". Morally justifiable is a different matter.

I lol'd

Illegal war, I'm declaring a global war on red heads - even if you're in Australia and I said I'm going to war with the UK and France and the UN doesn't approve you will be killed.

They killed him because he resisted, This is a war the constitution does not protect enemy's of the US. If he was Innocent he would not have hidden for 10 years and plus send videos taunting America.

That's the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

Let's see... there's the UN's charter which DOES plus I'm sure Pakistan has it's own little version protecting people there not to mention the US violating their sovereignty.

How do we know the videos aren't faked?

If you're being accused of terrorism, you're just going to turn yourself in to the closest police station?

 

[charmander412]

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Except it was never proven that he did any of those things.

Your moniker sums up my view on this post.

... MLK never said that.

The Navy Seals outnumbered and outgunned them not mentioning the element of surprise, how does this show cowardice?

Proof millions of dollars were spent on the trial?

I lol'd

Illegal war, I'm declaring a global war on red heads - even if you're in Australia and I said I'm going to war with the UK and France and the UN doesn't approve you will be killed.

That's the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

Let's see... there's the UN's charter which DOES plus I'm sure Pakistan has it's own little version protecting people there not to mention the US violating their sovereignty.

How do we know the videos aren't faked?

If you're being accused of terrorism, you're just going to turn yourself in to the closest police station?

Your point is legitimate. How I see it is that if the original reports were true and the Americans were indeed under heavy fire from bin Laden and his fellow inhabitants then the killing can be justified; they would not risk the lives of their seals to attempt to incapacitate or disarm all the men. Now, however, reports are surfacing that he was actually standing there and was not resisting. If this proves to be true, I do not support what the U.S. did.