Osama's death was not justified

[Veni]

No story lines up with another, go read a few articles online. Saying that someone was armed one day but not the next is a lie.

How can that change overnight?

 

[rsplayer31]

No story lines up with another, go read a few articles online. Saying that someone was armed one day but not the next is a lie.

How can that change overnight?

The media is trying to make big stories out of the little information they have. It was said the White House has wanted to clear up about these facts that he was unarmed, but they said he still did resist.

bet hes alive

So you think that not only the United States that has confirmed his death, but the United Nations in which has also confirmed his death is lieing?

 

[xOneDown]

I don't think most of you realize why we killed Osama..

Al Qaeda is run from the top down, meaning taking the SOLE leader (Bin Laden) out of the picture leaves a HUGE power struggle amongst the members of the organization, splitting it apart and weakening it greatly. He was also known as Al Qaeda's biggest provider of funds. You can't completely eliminate an organization that large because it's not confined to one country. We have Al Qaeda members in the U.S.

Also, for the people who say, "This is just going to fuel Al Qaeda members," that's stupid. Will the organization and its followers retaliate? Yes. Soon? Probably. However, there's no better time for a person to make rash decisions than when they're incredibly angry about something.

 

[TheMaker]

The news in sweden says that "talibans" have planted a bomb somewhere in sweden and if osama is killed the bomb will go BOOM. I hope this is just to scare U.S to not kill him, in he's statement it stand that all talibans now should fight!

Source:

https://www.flashback.org/t1532680

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.2414832/al-qaida-en-atombomb-ligger-gomd-i-europa

It's in swedish.

 

[Mr Smith]

He was buried in the sea so that where he was from, the other members of Al-Qaeda couldn't make a shrine.

The news in sweden says that "talibans" have planted a bomb somewhere in sweden and if osama is killed the bomb will go BOOM. I hope this is just to scare U.S to not kill him, in he's statement it stand that all talibans now should fight!

Source:

https://www.flashback.org/t1532680

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.2414832/al-qaida-en-atombomb-ligger-gomd-i-europa

It's in swedish.

The U.K and the U.S.A are on high bomb alert - £300k worth of uranium was traded in the terrorist group just for 3 pieces of it - the bombs are nuclear.

 

[uselesspoop]

Fine, even if Osama is considered a human being, then this fair trial bullshit just has to come to an end.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

If I knew where he was this whole time, I would have killed him myself.

He deserved to die.

He's tortured the world far too long.

 

[SuF]

He did not deserve to have a fair trial. I would have fucking cut his head off with a dull hatchet. He was a horrible person who's intentions were only to kill tons of innocent people. Why the hell would you want that guy alive?

He has a right to live. He has a right to a fair trial. He has a right to defend himself against acusations. You are just as bad as him if you really believe what you said.

@Fate.......

, But true. A life for a life. this is how it was way back then. this is how it should be now. we have all this new technology we have all this new advances in the justice department, but the truth is if your willing to take a life your willing to die. and sense he had the heart to take thousands of lifes he knew that it was his day to die. he deserved to die and theres no getting passed it.

I do not support the death penalty under any circumstance. Theres a whole thread about it here as well.

Although the terrorist attacks publicly admitted by him had stopped since I think 2005, I personally believe he would of only continued to operate and initiate conflict between the USA. I think he would of conducted more terrorist attacks and caused more events such as 9/11 and perhaps ones with a larger death toll. I think his death was justified by the US forces and he shouldn't of been entitled to a trial, besides, the news reported he refused to surrender and there was gunfire from both sides.

I accuse you of killing my wife and I am rich and run ads to make everyone think you did it. Does that mean you do not deserve a trial? By your logic, yes, that is exactly what it means. By your logic I would be perfectly justifed if I hired a hitman to gun you down.

You know how when we captured Saddam Hussein, we spent MILLIONS of dollars just for the trial, and it took months to get to a verdict, when it was FACT (truth) that he was a murderer. Also, the Navy Seals had a right to be able to shoot him on spot because the terroist cowards shot at the Navy Seals, and in combat, they cannot shoot unless shot at. So, yes, it is justfied to have had Bin Laden killed.

We didn't hold his trial. It does not matter if something is a known fact, you still deserve a fair trial. Read above. The navy seals also were told that it was capture or kill. They could have just sniped them all citing possible suicide bombs or dead man switches. He also was not even armed.

What are you talking about? He was killed because he and several other men--including his son--were firing automatic weapons at the Americans. You're not going to risk the lives of the seals involved by trying to somehow disarm the lot and take him alive. Also, he was buried in the sea because they did not want his grave to become a shrine.

He was not armed. I am not aruging whether or not the seals were justified in pulling the trigger. I am aruging that it was not justified and he did not deserve to die and no one should be celebrating the death of another human.

@SuF
Osama Bin Laden's death was legally justifiable. The United States declared war on Al-Quada under the international military campaign called the "Global War on Terrorism". Morally justifiable is a different matter.

The US is NOT, I repeat, NOT at war with anyone. Assasination of political leaders, which Osama was one, is also illegal under US policy (or law). Regardless, the motives of capturing or killing Osama was to seek revenge fir 9/11. Obama said he would capture Osama during his campaign. Why? To make people want to vote for him. If there was a legal footing for killing him (which there isn't), then Obama is corupt and should be impeached.

They killed him because he resisted, This is a war the constitution does not protect enemy's of the US. If he was Innocent he would not have hidden for 10 years and plus send videos taunting America.

Read any of my points above.

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... MLK never said that.
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I know he said something similar that summed up what I said about Osama.

I don't think most of you realize why we killed Osama..

Al Qaeda is run from the top down, meaning taking the SOLE leader (Bin Laden) out of the picture leaves a HUGE power struggle amongst the members of the organization, splitting it apart and weakening it greatly. He was also known as Al Qaeda's biggest provider of funds. You can't completely eliminate an organization that large because it's not confined to one country. We have Al Qaeda members in the U.S.

Wrong. Al Qaeda has fractured, with cells popping up and just declaring their name. They are operating independantly with minimal orginizational structure.

Also, for the people who say, "This is just going to fuel Al Qaeda members," that's stupid. Will the organization and its followers retaliate? Yes. Soon? Probably. However, there's no better time for a person to make rash decisions than when they're incredibly angry about something.

Its not hard to plan a terrorist attack.

Most likely..I think its just some bullshit so Obama would win again...and maybe boost the USD at its crash a little

Very true.

If I knew where he was this whole time, I would have killed him myself.

He deserved to die.

He's tortured the world far too long.

No one deserves death.

 

[cownap]

Would Al Qaeda or Osama give me a fair trial?
Would Al Qaeda or Osama kill me and my family?

 

[i noob killer i]

Suf seriously Im sorry but how can you justify giveing a man who killed 4000 peole a fair trial like seriously? You cant he did not care about peoples human rights when he arranged the terror attacks and I feel that the right outcome happend.

 

[malakadang]

Would Al Qaeda or Osama give me a fair trial?
Would Al Qaeda or Osama kill me and my family?

Thats completely irrelevant.
In the US, and in Aus where I live, we pride ourselves on our legal system, on our democracy. We pride ourselves on free speech, and the liberty each member of society man is afforded.
How can we set an irreversible grotesque precedent that it's alright to kill another human being regardless of the actions we know him to have committed?
The trial could be arranged over a week or something, the facts are simple, and death death penalty could be hastened. But that doesn't mean he's not entitled to rights that we say everyone is entitled to.

Suf seriously Im sorry but how can you justify giveing a man who killed 4000 peole a fair trial like seriously? You cant he did not care about peoples human rights when he arranged the terror attacks and I feel that the right outcome happend.

Many people do not actually understand who fueled Saddams hate for the US initially.

Regardless, if America preaches that every man has the right to freedom, speech, religion, equal rights, a trial; then they should give every many such things, other wise where edges from re slipping into the grasp of a totalitarian ruler, where the rules are made at his discretion.

 

[cownap]

I don't know the legal system well so what I say may be wrong.

I believe everyone being entitled to a trial is more pointed at US citizens and less towards a group of people we are at war with. The military wouldn't watch one of their own be shot and then try and chase down the guy so he can be put on trial. Also if there is any complaints to be made about this then it should be regarding the death of the other people inside and not just Osama, were we suppose to put them on trial too?

 

[SuF]

Would Al Qaeda or Osama give me a fair trial?
Would Al Qaeda or Osama kill me and my family?

Be the bigger man.

Suf seriously Im sorry but how can you justify giveing a man who killed 4000 peole a fair trial like seriously? You cant he did not care about peoples human rights when he arranged the terror attacks and I feel that the right outcome happend.

How do you know he killed them? That is what a trial is for. To provide a fair way to determine guilt.

I don't know the legal system well so what I say may be wrong.

I believe everyone being entitled to a trial is more pointed at US citizens and less towards a group of people we are at war with. The military wouldn't watch one of their own be shot and then try and chase down the guy so he can be put on trial. Also if there is any complaints to be made about this then it should be regarding the death of the other people inside and not just Osama, were we suppose to put them on trial too?

Regardless of the law, everyone deserves a fair trial. There is a difference between war or police actions and putting people on trial. We are not at war. We entered the compound with a highly trained seal team instead of just blowing it up. Whether or not the plan was to kill him is irrelevant. The reactions to it are awful and Obama's view on it is just disgusting.

 

[angus07]

this has to be a fucking joke.
the only reason i would come anywhere close to agreeing with this is because for all I know osama bin laden is not a terrorist and has nothing to do with al qaeda.

but all conspiracy theories aside, if Osama bin laden really has done all the things we believe then of course he should be dead.

fair trials? celebration of death is wrong? two wrongs dont make a right?

are you kidding me.

first of all, did all the people burning in the rubble of the twin towers have a fair trial?

for ages, different cultures have centered on the idea of things such as sacrificial rituals and celebrations of different sorts of death. dont feed me that garbage that death should not be celebrated. Many people feel that death in different circumstances, cultures, religions, etc. should be celebrated. just because you have a different belief as them doesnt mean everyone should feel the same way. its not a universal rule because u or anyone else believes it is. and u shouldnt condemn someone else for thinking otherwise. kinda reminds me of hitler.

two wrongs dont make a right. again, its not a universal rule of thumb that every death is a wrong. maybe one death could be wrong, but another could be right. of course someone can "DESERVE to die", the same way a child could "DESERVE" to be put in timeout for punching his grandma in the face.

and anyone talking about problems with legality and freedom of this and that in our country and blah blah blah. give me a break. just because your country preaches fair trials, not guilty til proven and all that doesnt mean every country is like that, nor does it mean everyone else has to agree with that. especially for a case like this.

some people in the world celebrated when the towers went down and thousands died. why cant i celebrate this?(not saying i am or am not, just making a point). and dont respond with two wrongs dont make a right because the fact that all those people died was "right" to some, the same way osama's death is "right" to others.

you have no place to say what is "right" for someone else

 

[Evan Wears Prada]

From the multiple videos I've watched and articles I've read, the US wanted to bring him in, but it turned into a firefight and Osama got killed. The US should have made it more of a priority to get him alive and give him a trial. I also agree that it's sickening that people would celebrate the death of another human.

 

[i noob killer i]

How do you know he killed them? That is what a trial is for. To provide a fair way to determine guilt.

Considering he admitted to it after the attacks I feel that would be enough evidence to justify us killing him. Also if you want to look at examples of this there was a German war criminal that was found in south America and captured by the Jewish secret service and executed there and then with a mock trial. Surely if they did that with Bin Larden it would be a show or a mock trial thus not being fair anyway so that makes your original point irrelivant. I just think that even if he did have a trial It would of not been fair and he would of most likely been executed.

 

[SuF]

this has to be a fucking joke.
the only reason i would come anywhere close to agreeing with this is because for all I know osama bin laden is not a terrorist and has nothing to do with al qaeda.

but all conspiracy theories aside, if Osama bin laden really has done all the things we believe then of course he should be dead.

fair trials? celebration of death is wrong? two wrongs dont make a right?

are you kidding me.

first of all, did all the people burning in the rubble of the twin towers have a fair trial?

If you do not believe in fair trials, you do not care if your government is corrupt and thus you do not care if they send men out into the street and start gunning down everyone they see. Celebrating the death of another human being is morally wrong. It makes you as bad as the person who killed him. Two wrongs, logically, do not make a right.

The people in the towers were victims. You want to charge them with what? Being at the wrong place at the wrong time? Osama deserved a fair trial to bring justice for all the people killed.

for ages, different cultures have centered on the idea of things such as sacrificial rituals and celebrations of different sorts of death. dont feed me that garbage that death should not be celebrated. Many people feel that death in different circumstances, cultures, religions, etc. should be celebrated. just because you have a different belief as them doesnt mean everyone should feel the same way. its not a universal rule because u or anyone else believes it is. and u shouldnt condemn someone else for thinking otherwise. kinda reminds me of hitler.

If someone celebrates the death of another human being, they are not moral. They do not value human life nor do they care about the universal right people have to life. Hatred made Osama kill our people. Hatred made us kill him. Hatred will make his people kill our people. It never ends. Be a good person and understand that Osama being dead may make the world safer but be able to feel emotion about another human beings death and feel sad about it or you are honestly just as bad as him.

two wrongs dont make a right. again, its not a universal rule of thumb that every death is a wrong. maybe one death could be wrong, but another could be right. of course someone can "DESERVE to die", the same way a child could "DESERVE" to be put in timeout for punching his grandma in the face.

Timeout is not a wrong. It is perfectly morally acceptable as it teaches the child. Death destroys people. It makes them cease to exist. It violates their right to life. People have no right to decide whether or not someone deserves to live. Believing this would just mean that if I thought you deserved to die, it would be acceptable for me to kill you. Killing the man who raped and killed your wife is still murder. Osama being killed is no different.

and anyone talking about problems with legality and freedom of this and that in our country and blah blah blah. give me a break. just because your country preaches fair trials, not guilty til proven and all that doesnt mean every country is like that, nor does it mean everyone else has to agree with that. especially for a case like this.

The US demands fair trials. US navy seals killed Osama. Mhmm. Navy Seals don't have to listen to US laws even though they are controlled by the US?

some people in the world celebrated when the towers went down and thousands died. why cant i celebrate this?(not saying i am or am not, just making a point). and dont respond with two wrongs dont make a right because the fact that all those people died was "right" to some, the same way osama's death is "right" to others.

you have no place to say what is "right" for someone else

Killing someone is morally wrong. Thus, two wrongs do not make a right. Celebrating someones death implies hate. Hate breeds hate. Be the bigger man and stop the cycle.

Considering he admitted to it after the attacks I feel that would be enough evidence to justify us killing him. Also if you want to look at examples of this there was a German war criminal that was found in south America and captured by the Jewish secret service and executed there and then with a mock trial. Surely if they did that with Bin Larden it would be a show or a mock trial thus not being fair anyway so that makes your original point irrelivant. I just think that even if he did have a trial It would of not been fair and he would of most likely been executed.

Of course he would have been found guilty. That isn't the point. The point is, the courts decide guilt, not the leader of one country.

 

[angus07]

how dare you talk about logic and then talk about morals.
anything you say is "not moral" is not moral to you. how dare you say that your way of thinking and your beliefs are the only thing that is right.

you are no better than the radical muslims who demand i believe what they do or they kill me. give me a break man.

 

[Busta305]

The victims of 9/11 didn't get a "fair trial", I don't see why people shouldn't celebrate his death after all the pain he caused.

 

[Flight]

When I first found out that Osama was dead, I was happy. I thought this meant that progress was being made and that the US was closer to pulling out of the middle east. However, this happiness quickly turned into utter disgust. Regardless of crimes committed, he deserved a fair trial. By senselessly killing him, the US is simply stating to the world that they are correct in their judgement without allowing Osama to defend himself. The US acts as if it is infallible, which is just wrong. The celebrations occuring throughout the US because of this death also disgust me. Two wrongs do not make a right. Thousands of wrongs, add one more, do not make a right. The hatred that people have for one another and see past emotions to see the actual truth. By expressing joy for a death, you are expressing hatred, and by expressing hatred you are causing hatred.

Discuss.

How can you make such a statement when the general public doesn't know all the details? They could have fired on us first, thus we had to return fire, killing Osama and the other terrorists. There's also an idea going around that his body guard killed him so that he wouldn't leak any info.

So don't go posting stuff like this when we hardly know anything.