[DENIED]Clarify server owner liability

Adding some more real life examples everyone can understand.
1. A business mops the floor and puts up two wet floor signs. A customer slips and falls he has no right to sue because of the wet floor signs. The business tried to protect the customer, but they choose to ignore it. By sythe reals they get to sue and will win because the wet sign wasn't agreed to.
2. A laundry detergent company makes washer pods. They put a warning label that says these are not edible. Teenages dumb and dumber challenge each other to eat one. They can't sue detergent company because of the warning label. By sythe rules they can sue then do the same with another product and all these business go under. We don't want blanket protection. We want a warning label a sign against gross stupidity and negligence.

1. Actually he does has a right to sue depending on where he slipped and where and when the signs were placed. Now the outcome of the case would of course be decided by gathering information and reviewing other evidence which I assume for the sake of the scenario the people or persons reviewing and gather information would be the sythe moderators. You can't take away a customers right to request a review (sue) just like you cant take away the due process for both parties. Also lets not forget the average human heigh it 5'4 and the average wet floor sign is 2ft I guess I say that to say its always variables to every situation. << as a fast food OO i've had this happen multiple times btw.

2. Now we're reaching.

 

[Okamikun]

1. Actually he does has a right to sue depending on where he slipped and where and when the signs were placed. Now the outcome of the case would of course be decided by gathering information and reviewing other evidence which I assume for the sake of the scenario the people or persons reviewing and gather information would be the sythe moderators. You can't take away a customers right to request a review (sue) just like you cant take away the due process for both parties. Also lets not forget the average human heigh it 5'4 and the average wet floor sign is 2ft I guess I say that to say its always variables to every situation. << as a fast food OO i've had this happen multiple times btw. Did you get sued? No you don't if you do stuff right you don't. I want the ability to set up our warnings the right way but sythe won't give us a guideline.

2. Now we're reaching.

sadly we are not this is what we are expected of and yes there are customers that are this dumb such as a guy talking with worker in DMs and giving him his passed and pin because the worker said it would be easier. We can't even see that shit let alone stop it so yes people are that stupid.

 

[Okamikun]

Not sure how I added that into your quoted section but read above @Suuh

 

[Bert]

Costumers should not be allowed to disregard server rules. Then be allowed to get a full refund when doing something they are told not to.

As i've told you before but it seems to me that you still do not understand. You have to ask the customer by TYPING, "do you agree to these terms of service" and the customer has to reply to you by TYPING "Yes I agree to these terms of service"

 

Posting a sign or even the signing of a waiver doesn’t eliminate all liability my man. Your argument is flawed.

 

[Okamikun]

As i've told you before but it seems to me that you still do not understand. You have to ask the customer by TYPING, "do you agree to these terms of service" and the customer has to reply to you by TYPING "Yes I agree to these terms of service"

How do people yes I agree to a warning label and wet floor sign????????

 

[Okamikun]

Posting a sign or even the signing of a waiver doesn’t eliminate all liability my man. Your argument is flawed.

In the cases about it does and has been proven so in court.

 

In the cases about it does and has been proven so in court.

Depends on the case. Having a wet floor sign or a TOS or whatever does not fully eliminate liability. If you believe that you or whomever does shouldn't be running a business. Even if you sign a waiver if it goes to court and its unethical one can only assume what happens then. Some of the cases on sythe come down to ethics. You might have a rock solid TOS but is it ethical.

Honestly in my restaurants we keep wet floor signs down even when the floors not wet we also keep them in the restrooms you think this eliminates us from being sued or liability heck no.

 

[Okamikun]

Depends on the case. Having a wet floor sign or a TOS or whatever does not fully eliminate liability. If you believe that you or whomever does shouldn't be running a business. Even if you sign a waiver if it goes to court and its unethical one can only assume what happens then. Some of the cases on sythe come down to ethics. You might have a rock solid TOS but is it ethical.

And that is fine I just want them to tell us what they want “hire trusted people” is not a real way to do business we all try to do that. They set no guidelines for a to S then tell us tos doesn't matter and neither do deposits. Idc if it doesn't cover every case it should cover 90%. If you hire a known scammer or someone who seems dodgy sure don't protect the owner but if they guy seems legit acts legit and has no warning we should be protected.

 

And that is fine I just want them to tell us what they want “hire trusted people” is not a real way to do business we all try to do that. They set no guidelines for a to S then tell us tos doesn't matter and neither do deposits. Idc if it doesn't cover every case it should cover 90%. If you hire a known scammer or someone who seems dodgy sure don't protect the owner but if they guy seems legit acts legit and has no warning we should be protected.

You're trying to get sythe to implement things that need to be implemented on a server level. You need to make your own guidelines to protect yourself and the customer. Its not a flaw in the sythe system its a flaw in the service owners system. Sythe is not the judge, jury and executioner they can only go by information that is provided if you cover your baseline it would be hard to prove negligence and from what I can see if no negligence can be proven typically the case goes the owners way. You cant stop people from opening disputed but you can surely win them.

 

This thread is wild lol, In my HUMBLE opinion, if someone came in my server over night and my ticket manager is deposited (insured) $300 and he scams a customer for $400 that $100 over the workers deposit value is on me as the Owner... its the same as an IRL insurance, you pay a deductible and cover costs of what insurance wont. Dont @ me of come at me arguing I'm not here for that, just my unbiased opinion of how I personally do things.

 

[Okamikun]

You're trying to get sythe to implement things that need to be implemented on a server level. You need to make your own guidelines to protect yourself and the customer. Its not a flaw in the sythe system its a flaw in the service owners system. Sythe is not the judge, jury and executioner they can only go by information that is provided if you cover your baseline it would be hard to prove negligence and from what I can see if no negligence can be proven typically the case goes the owners way. You cant stop people from opening disputed but you can surely win them.

Sythe is the judge Jury and executioner lol I've never seen a jury of our peers in a report lol.

 

As i've told you before but it seems to me that you still do not understand. You have to ask the customer by TYPING, "do you agree to these terms of service" and the customer has to reply to you by TYPING "Yes I agree to these terms of service"

& then it gets overruled on a sythe report
A ToS may as well wipe your behind with it.

There have been cases, unrelated to this, where a sale occurred off platform & was ruled on using default sythe ToS.

Effectively, sythe is designed to screw server owners.
Yes, customers are free to report anything. But ToS are made to protect business owners AND customers, however they are invalidated "randomly" depending on the mood of the moderator handling things

 

[Bert]

How do people yes I agree to a warning label and wet floor sign????????

Why do you keep talking about random stuff that has nothing to do with what I am telling you. Read what I said again and follow it to avoid problems, if you want more problems keep making up hypothetical situations about warning labels on wet floors.

 

Sythe is the judge Jury and executioner lol I've never seen a jury of our peers in a report lol.

You know when they close a report and they say "we've discussed with other staff or upper staff or what have you" that's the jury.

 

[Okamikun]

You know when they close a report and they say "we've discussed with other staff or upper staff or what have you" that's the jury.

So other sythe members are the jury XD so yes sythe is judge Judy and executioner lol. Just saying. And I'm not saying that needs change discord do need policed but we also have a right to be protect from scammers and stupid costumers that can't follow a warning label.

 

So other sythe members are the jury XD so yes sythe is judge Judy and executioner lol. Just saying. And I'm not saying that needs change discord do need policed but we also have a right to be protect from scammers and stupid costumers that can't follow a warning label.

I digress you can't be helped.

 

Since we're digressing a lot, let me get the main issue out here once again.

Why is a server owner liable, if multiple layers of warnings are there, a customer is specifically told NOT to do something, agrees to NOT do said thing.
Proceeds to do said thing anyhow, suffers a financial loss as a consequence.

Runs to sythe & get to claim their funds back.
And then based on the report linked in the initial post, is to be paid out

 

[WFAF]

Since we're digressing a lot, let me get the main issue out here once again.

Why is a server owner liable, if multiple layers of warnings are there, a customer is specifically told NOT to do something, agrees to NOT do said thing.
Proceeds to do said thing anyhow, suffers a financial loss as a consequence.

Runs to sythe & get to claim their funds back.
And then based on the report linked in the initial post, is to be paid out

There appears to be a running theme with this happening with said discord, Primal for example, don't appear to have the same issue?

 

Since we're digressing a lot, let me get the main issue out here once again.

Why is a server owner liable, if multiple layers of warnings are there, a customer is specifically told NOT to do something, agrees to NOT do said thing.
Proceeds to do said thing anyhow, suffers a financial loss as a consequence.

Runs to sythe & get to claim their funds back.
And then based on the report linked in the initial post, is to be paid out

In this ticket like Pikachu said Peanut is ultimately responsible for his worker the guidelines says that Peanut needs to be pinged for trades over a certain threshold his worker did not ping him nor did he wait for him to do the trade Peanut is liable for that sorry but not sorry. Now what Peanut needs to do is add ticket values to his system to where if a customer opens a ticket to bet or something like that a certain amount it only adds him to the ticket and he would need to add and certain host and monitor the ticket that way so he is never unaware of what's being processed. Host would need to be added to the ticket based on the value they can trade. So now Peanut is never unaware of a ticket opened higher than the value of a hosts bet if I'm understanding this gambling thing correctly. I'm no expert so correct me if i'm wrong.

A customer with a 25b bet shouldn't even be able to open a ticket with a host with a max 2b bet imo. So that leads me to believe the servers structure is off a bit which is opening him up to a shit load of damages customers as well.