Hitting Women

[Snares]

In the majority of scenarios.

nope.
in any scenarios.
it isn't okay.
If you are in the scenario where you are hitting the women, that doesn't make it okay, either.
It makes you both wrong, with one of you doing something out of necessity. Doesn't make it right.

 

[Sanctuary]

nope.
in any scenarios.
it isn't okay.
If you are in the scenario where you are hitting the women, that doesn't make it okay, either.
It makes you both wrong, with one of you doing something out of necessity. Doesn't make it right.

So what about in the case of the guy's self defence? Just because on average guys are stronger, doesn't make them invincible.

 

[Snares]

So what about in the case of the guy's self defence? Just because on average guys are stronger, doesn't make them invincible.

I never said it did.
woman on man or man on woman hitting simply isn't okay even if necessary, because of the situations that would lead to being able to justify the hitting.

 

[Sanctuary]

I never said it did.
woman on man or man on woman hitting simply isn't okay even if necessary, because of the situations that would lead to being able to justify the hitting.

Well, I'll go to the extreme with this. Say the woman is trying to cause you quite a lot of physical damage, say, with a knife? You just stated it's never alright in any scenario.

 

[Snares]

Well, I'll go to the extreme with this. Say the woman is trying to cause you quite a lot of physical damage, say, with a knife? You just stated it's never alright in any scenario.

haven't you ever heard "two wrongs don't make a right"?

necessity doesn't make it "okay" it just makes it what it is-
necessary.

 

[Sanctuary]

haven't you ever heard "two wrongs don't make a right"?

necessity doesn't make it "okay" it just makes it what it is-
necessary.

Well it's not "right" to hit anybody. It's not "okay" for girls to hit guys, so I don't your argument there...

If 2 wrongs doesn't equal a right, how does 1 wrong equal a right?

 

[Snares]

Well it's not "right" to hit anybody. It's not "okay" for girls to hit guys, so I don't your argument there...

If 2 wrongs doesn't equal a right, how does 1 wrong equal a right?

don't recall ever saying it was right.
[citation needed] ?

 

[Psywar1]

There's a HUGE! line between gender equality and abuse.
If you can't separate the two, I certainly do not envy you!
:sick:

Please explain to me how hitting a woman in self-defence is abuse?

So you're assuming all women are feminists.
I suppose by this logic I should assume all men are self-righteous assholes that beat women and believe they only belong in the kitchen?

I am not burning any bras, here. Not beating up someone weaker than you should just be a natural inclination for any normal human being.

By all means, beat up a woman, but don't go feeling like the world is unfair when you accidentally kill her, she presses charges and you wind up imprisoned, or she knows someone much stronger than you to come to her defense.

Wait what? You accidentally kill her and she presses charges? How do you press charges when you are dead? If you mean she presses charges as a separate, possible outcome, then unfortunately if it was a case of self-defence then she does not have much of a case, except for the fact that she herself hit and perhaps seriously injured someone. In such a scenario, wouldn't you simply press charges against her? That aside, merely hitting a woman does mean you are "beating her up" (At least when I retaliate in self-defence I do not strike with the intent to kill, nor do I go around beating the female up.)

deal a blow to, either with the hand or with an instrument; "He hit her hard in the face"

You're assuming all women are "weaker" than males. I believe this is a logical fallacy known as "begging the question" -- females trained in martial arts are capable of causing physical harm, and believe me, they do exist and are quite common. If that's not what you mean by "weaker", then what do you mean? (I'd think that by "weak" in this context would mean not as capable of causing physical damage)

 

[Sanctuary]

So basically it comes down to self-defence?

Basically.

Is it okay to hit a woman?
No.
It isn't.

In the majority of scenarios.

nope.
in any scenarios.
it isn't okay.

don't recall ever saying it was right.
[citation needed] ?

Well you seemed to state that in your scenario that it was justifiable. Like it was, "alright" to hit him.

In my case I slapped someone who entrapped me in a bathroom, blocked the door, and screamed at me. He slapped me back, hard. Fair? Is this your ideal of equality?

So blocking someone in a bathroom deserves to be hit, but a woman trying to stab you with a knife...doesn't?

 

[Snares]

Well you seemed to state that in your scenario that it was justifiable.



So blocking someone in a bathroom deserves to be hit, but a woman trying to stab you with a knife...doesn't?

Again, justifiable doesn't make it right.. Was it right that I hit him? nope. felt awful. had no choice.

you are searching for an opinion I simply do not have and trying to make a debate out of something that is not there.

And psywar please read the discussion before asking for explanations.

I am quite done with this thread. It is obvious the people on it are looking for an argument, not an answer.

 

[Sanctuary]

Like I originally stated, I agree with you. Just playing devil's advocate here. Although I do believe that too many women think it's alright to hit guys, but that's a whole new topic.

 

[Matt Hasty]

I have an uncle that use to beat up his wife all the time but she use to beat him up as well. They never pressed charges against each other. One day at around 3:30 am, my uncle rang are door bell he was covered in blood because his wife stabbed him in the head 3 times and ended up cutting off his ear.

He never pressed charges but I can vouch that he probably has done a lot worse. they just ended up leaving each other, but to this day they still have an on going affair because my uncle remarried but they still love each other. I guess that really shows me that most men and women will fight but love dominates.

Everyone has really strong opinions, but no one can really speak for the victims. Is it okay for a male to hit a female? No, why? Cause, it's just disrespectful. If you were a father and you had a son you'd want to teach him not to be violent and instead be loving and caring. And for all the boys saying, well what if she had a knife? Well lets just say what if your mother got beaten up by your father daily and one day she got fed up and she pulled out a kitchen knife, would you go and defend your father? Or would you go jump in between and tell your father that enough was enough.

And for the females and males as well, if you're going to be violent you're going to need to expect violence back. It's only human nature for one to defend ones self. If you're a girl, don't expect every guy out there to be a man and have a golden heart, most men are just boys and will fight you back.

I could probably go on and on about this, but what's the point.

 

[Maleficent]

To those of you that said it's okay to hit a woman, whether it be because she's ugly or built like a boxer, you are idiots and fully deserve whatever you get from these women!
I know that in my experience as a girl I have slapped a guy or two in my day, and they had it coming. Men are louder, usually, at least in my case. If a guy screams at me I'm going to slap him. If he slaps me back, I am going to press charges. Period.

It's so easy to say it's okay to hit a woman if she's ugly (if you're a complete douchebag) but however she looks she is still a human being and still a female. We may be tough inside but not all of us are physically built to take a punch and shouldn't ever have to.

I would also like to add, that I have been tossed around by TWO boyfriends and tried very hard to fight back, and I am an average female, average weight, average everything. Assholes.

You basically said if he gets louder than you can get you are going to slap him. You deserve any kind of power he throws back at you because to be frank I'd hit you as hard as i can with that mindset. I will NEVER let anyone hit me and i won't hit them back that is something i can't grasp.

Also If you inflicted pain first you should know the outcome so you are basically saying to this man 'Fine i accept your challenge' when he knocks jesus out your lungs you want to press charges.

 

[Snares]

You basically said if he gets louder than you can get you are going to slap him. You deserve any kind of power he throws back at you because to be frank I'd hit you as hard as i can with that mindset. I will NEVER let anyone hit me and i won't hit them back that is something i can't grasp.

Also If you inflicted pain first you should know the outcome so you are basically saying to this man 'Fine i accept your challenge' when he knocks jesus out your lungs you want to press charges.

Again read the whole conversation; He entrapped me idiot. This forum is bullshit, you're all idiots, I've been a member for like four years (this is my fourth account.)
And I am done- Peace.

 

[Maleficent]

I have an uncle that use to beat up his wife all the time but she use to beat him up as well. They never pressed charges against each other. One day at around 3:30 am, my uncle rang are door bell he was covered in blood because his wife stabbed him in the head 3 times and ended up cutting off his ear.

He never pressed charges but I can vouch that he probably has done a lot worse. they just ended up leaving each other, but to this day they still have an on going affair because my uncle remarried but they still love each other. I guess that really shows me that most men and women will fight but love dominates.

Everyone has really strong opinions, but no one can really speak for the victims. Is it okay for a male to hit a female? No, why? Cause, it's just disrespectful. If you were a father and you had a son you'd want to teach him not to be violent and instead be loving and caring. And for all the boys saying, well what if she had a knife? Well lets just say what if your mother got beaten up by your father daily and one day she got fed up and she pulled out a kitchen knife, would you go and defend your father? Or would you go jump in between and tell your father that enough was enough.

And for the females and males as well, if you're going to be violent you're going to need to expect violence back. It's only human nature for one to defend ones self. If you're a girl, don't expect every guy out there to be a man and have a golden heart, most men are just boys and will fight you back.

I could probably go on and on about this, but what's the point.

You only addressed a male hitting a female i want the other side please.

If i had a daughter and she hit a man and he hit her back i would take no pity for her she deserved it. Well lets bring a real life scenario into play here, Awhile back my sister and her boyfriend was arguing about some nonsense and he started to yell at her she slapped and pushed him. He didn't retaliate and yelled more because she slapped him so he's saying to her ''Don't hit me again'' She hits him again and she says ''Now what are you gonna do'' He didn't do anything of course but in the end he should of aired her lungs out.

 

[Matt Hasty]

You only addressed a male hitting a female i want the other side please.

If i had a daughter and she hit a man and he hit her back i would take no pity for her she deserved it. Well lets bring a real life scenario into play here, Awhile back my sister and her boyfriend was arguing about some nonsense and he started to yell at her she slapped and pushed him. He didn't retaliate and yelled more because she slapped him so he's saying to her ''Don't hit me again'' She hits him again and she says ''Now what are you gonna do'' He didn't do anything of course but in the end he should of aired her lungs out.

You sound a tad angry, I suggest anger management classes. I also addressed both sides if you read this post.

And for the females and males as well, if you're going to be violent you're going to need to expect violence back. It's only human nature for one to defend ones self. If you're a girl, don't expect every guy out there to be a man and have a golden heart, most men are just boys and will fight you back.

Your sisters boyfriend did the right thing, but nothing stopped him from leaving. If someone attacks you your first thoughts should be that I should leave this situation, not airing her or his lungs out. As for your daughter, that's a terrible thing to say, I hope you get some consoling. If your daughter hit another man for no reason at all, she'd obviously have some sort of mental disability. No one in their right state of mind would just bluntly attack someone unless they were provoked or in self defense. Does that make it right though? No, but does hitting them back make it right either? No, especially if they're mentally unstable.

 

[opoweroil]

You can sue a woman for assault just for slapping you. I wouldn't hit back since it would destroy the case.

 

[Karl]

If you don't understand what SFA is about, Leave now.

The Topic is to Argue about the fact people Hit women, is it right or not, etc.

Not if you Hit women or wouldn't hit a woman
Anymore posts with your personal thoughts regarding the matter, You get an infraction.

 

[opoweroil]

(Since i got infracted, i felt like i need to expand on my statement, since i blindly assumed that any intelligent person would understand what i meant.)

By society standards (and the world around), striking back at a women is highly unacceptable. It has been this way since the beginning of man kind; it's like an archetype, people feel an innate tendency to view retaliation against females to be intolerable.

This is why if a woman strikes you, striking back wouldn't be the most clever thing to do. Instead, an intelligent person would let the judicial system amend the double standard prejudice that prevails in today's society; being a misogynist and striking back would only make matters worst.

 

[Honeo]

Again read the whole conversation; He entrapped me idiot. This forum is bullshit, you're all idiots, I've been a member for like four years (this is my fourth account.)
And I am done- Peace.

Although you said you're done, I'm going to use this situation and show how it is a perfect example. And before I write this, I want you to know it wasn't right of your boyfriend to slap you back. (Although we aren't getting the full story I will trust what you said.)

You claimed that your boyfriend was blocking the door to the bathroom which made you feel threatened, I'm assuming, otherwise you would not have hit him. I am assuming the argument started in the bathroom, otherwise, how he got you in there is beyond me. But couldn't it of been just because he wanted to finish the conversation without you walking out? I've been in numerous situations where if a girl gets flustered in an argument, they hang up the phone or walk out of the room mid-sentence.

You claim it wasn't right for you to hit him which is understandable because that is your stance on domestic violence. But I'm assuming you felt like you did not have a choice, so you did what you thought was necessary.

Let me turn the tables now. I myself have been in situations where a girl has been screaming at me for something that I did that "she did not like", forces me into a corner (literally and theoretically), and does not let me have a chance to speak on behalf of myself. I don't feel threatened, but violated. I have no chance to speak, and no way out. So, I do what I think is necessary for the situation and try to calm her down by putting my arms around her, talking calmly, or trying to explain my side. But no, she yells louder, shoves my arms down, doesn't give me a chance to speak, and slaps me across the face, hard, very hard (at this point I haven't said a word in this argument). In the situation presented above, I told her to "shut the fuck up," and I walked away.

Next day, while she was intoxicated, she came in my room and drew all over my desk in highlighter writing crude statements, then proceeds to break them. Not a huge deal, but a enormous pain in the ass. Here, I should have slapped the shit out of her face, but I didn't because it is "dis respectable" to hit a lady.

Once women get emotional, they are on a power trip and feel invincible until proven otherwise. She definitely deserved a slap, as do guys from now and then. So is it right sometimes? Yes, definitely.