Scammers never banned.

[Kavero]

SuF I don't ever see anyone doing any reports except Skele, which is ridiculous you have too many globals that can't take responsibility or, maybe not enough?

 

[Pkpkpk]

You provide adequate proof that a scam took place and we'll ban them.

Incorrect. First of all, stop putting words in my mouth. I said it's possible to provide a fake screenshot that requires minimal work to edit (such as the one you gave). You'd get the same response if you provided chat logs. We're not saying they're fake, but it's definitely possible and not enough to have us conclude that the user did in fact scam you.

And as for the whole conversation, it would take a lot more work (it's usually about 12 screenshots) and if it is in fact fake, the other user can point out which parts are fake in a dispute.

To enforce the law. That's the rules. That's a lot more than just the report a scammer section. And to enforce the law, we need proof of a scam. Proof that you haven't provided.

It's not anyones job. This is what we're trying to get across to you. All you've done by making this thread is take me and skele out of the scam forum to defend ourselves to you when really we haven't done anything wrong.

1. If I flat out say thanks for the accounty or pin or whatever and log out, what more proof do you need? That doesnt mean anything to you? If i didn in fact make a false claim he could still easily "point out whats fake". It's like when people get off with the law after confessing. Makes no sense.
2. Okay enforce the laws. If there is a murder, the cops are going to be working on that rather than someone that's walking around the streets cussing. Murder = Scam // Cussing = Spamming
3. It's not anyone's job? how is it not anyone's job? You're the cops, enforce the laws. Also I didn't take y'all out of the scam section, you came yourself. I didn't even include your name in the post because I didn't want it to look like I was bashing you, because I'm not.
4. You said that you didn't say it was a fake, you just said it might. By closing the thread you're assuming it is a fake. Assuming is just saying that chances are, it is a fake.

It's not that hard, if you follow the simple template and provide all the info they'll be banned. Don't have us guessing what happened next because you decided to only provide 1 screenshot.

Yes, a screen shot with a confession. Never thought the day would come when a confession isn't enough to ban someone.

I think it is funny how quickly Skele_Master and Darkgroove are on this thread to defend themselves.

I respect both of you for taking the time out of your day to complete scam reports, but for other moderators, it seems to me like they don't give a rats ass about this community, and would rather buy and sell runescape than take care of potential scammers.

I agree, many of them have their own agenda, they just want the rank for trust/power.

That's because there's only 100 people to control... we have 150,000... Plus the way scams are conducted are VERY different.

True. What happens when there is more work? You hire more people. Once again, there are plenty of people that would step up. BTW your numbers are way off. 150000 people aren't active. Maybe a few thousand.

You should be damn grateful that the mods are taking time out of their day to do the reports. It's the user's fault for being an idiot to get scammed. Ever read a guide "HOW TO NOT GET SCAMMED"? No, you did not. Did you read the rules of the RaS section before you posted your thread? No you did not. You went straight ahead and traded, with NO middleman. Then, when you get scammed, you post threads being a little bitch going "omfg he scammed me!". And to top it off, you don't even post adequate proof, only proof that a third grader with paint could have edited.

Tell me i'm wrong, I beg you.

You begged so I'll tell you you're wrong. I have read things on how not to get scammed, I do take precautions, but it still happens. Here's the recent scam: He sent me $35 with paypal as a GIFT. I gave him the account info. He somehow filed a case with paypal even though it was a gift. Could a middleman have protected this? No.

geez, lay off the mods they try their best . how about you put your self in that position and see how fast you get flamed.

I could easily do their job.

I Can freely defend the staff, they have done a good job, around %60 of scammers reported get banned, i think thats still a good job.

That's probably pretty accurate. I don't like those odds. I understand we can't get everyone, but still.

Either provide suggestions to make the system work better, or shut the fuck up, stop complaining and wasting our time.

SuF I absolutely LOVE your use of cuss words. I love how you follow every singly one of the rules even that little one about cussing. I also love how this is the feedback section and it seems as though it is more of a gang bang section onto me. None the less I have given suggestions, and I'll repeat them for you:
-MORE MODS. Bigger community means you need more mods.
-ENCOURAGE MODS TO FILL OUT SCAM REPORTS. Pretty important aspect of getting rid of scammers

 

[Skele]

1. If I flat out say thanks for the accounty or pin or whatever and log out, what more proof do you need? That doesnt mean anything to you? If i didn in fact make a false claim he could still easily "point out whats fake". It's like when people get off with the law after confessing. Makes no sense.

The evidence you provided is like a 2 sec video clip of someone saying "I did it". Those 2 secs (1 screenshot) could have easily been faked.

You begged so I'll tell you you're wrong. I have read things on how not to get scammed, I do take precautions, but it still happens. Here's the recent scam: He sent me $35 with paypal as a GIFT. I gave him the account info. He somehow filed a case with paypal even though it was a gift. Could a middleman have protected this? No.

An MM would at least guarantee a successful trade. If they decide to chargeback a simple screenshot of your paypal is enough for a ban.

I could easily do their job.

-MORE MODS. Bigger community means you need more mods.
-ENCOURAGE MODS TO FILL OUT SCAM REPORTS. Pretty important aspect of getting rid of scammers

1) If there's anyone we feel is ready, we'll promote them.
2) Mods do what they're required to do. If they don't they'll get demoted. There's more to running this site than doing the scammer section.

If your only suggestion on this thread is to get new mods then I might as well close it.

 

[Rhodesy]

I have read these the pages and commented on the first one. I stand by what I said, there are less reports due to other factors, time consuming being a main one and fake evidences on grudges another. Also I am not implying you would fake a piece of evidence but if I was looking at a piece of evidence similar to yours when a person is just bluntly confessing and admitting to the scam you would have to look into it, because it gives an impression of forgery. In my opinion not many morons would admit online where you can just easily print screen so there are obvious factors to include in the situation.

 

[Pkpkpk]

I have read these the pages and commented on the first one. I stand by what I said, there are less reports due to other factors, time consuming being a main one and fake evidences on grudges another. Also I am not implying you would fake a piece of evidence but if I was looking at a piece of evidence similar to yours when a person is just bluntly confessing and admitting to the scam you would have to look into it, because it gives an impression of forgery. In my opinion not many morons would admit online where you can just easily print screen so there are obvious factors to include in the situation.

I honestly don't care, he's banned now after someone else had to get scammed so everyone can just pat themselves on the back. I won't be dealing with the scam section anymore. That's pretty much what I've concluded from this. By the time anyone even looks at a report they've scammed someone else. I have plenty of proof to ban another guy but IDT im going to send a report because A: He's just a leecher and probably already made a new account and B: It wont be checked for weeks anyways. Do yall ever IP ban someone? Because that would make things much simpler.

 

[Darkgroove]

1. If I flat out say thanks for the accounty or pin or whatever and log out, what more proof do you need? That doesnt mean anything to you? If i didn in fact make a false claim he could still easily "point out whats fake". It's like when people get off with the law after confessing. Makes no sense.

No it doesn't. Next time look at the sticky in the section and post what we need to see before we can consider banning them.

2. Okay enforce the laws. If there is a murder, the cops are going to be working on that rather than someone that's walking around the streets cussing. Murder = Scam // Cussing = Spamming

Scamming = stealing not mudering. Again, horrible analogy.

3. It's not anyone's job? how is it not anyone's job? You're the cops, enforce the laws. Also I didn't take y'all out of the scam section, you came yourself. I didn't even include your name in the post because I didn't want it to look like I was bashing you, because I'm not.

You pointed to a scam report that I personally handled. You took us out of that forum to defend ourselves.

4. You said that you didn't say it was a fake, you just said it might. By closing the thread you're assuming it is a fake. Assuming is just saying that chances are, it is a fake.

No by closing the thread I'm saying because there's a possibility that it can be fake then that's not enough to go on. Like I said with the chat logs, if you had posted them it would still be locked. Doesn't mean you had edited them, just means there's a possibility that you did and that means its not enough to go on.

Yes, a screen shot with a confession. Never thought the day would come when a confession isn't enough to ban someone.

Confessions can be a result of hacking and fake screenshots amongst other things. Show us proof of a trade with him scamming you and we'll ban him. That simple.

I agree, many of them have their own agenda, they just want the rank for trust/power.

Again, every mod does some form of work.

True. What happens when there is more work? You hire more people. Once again, there are plenty of people that would step up. BTW your numbers are way off. 150000 people aren't active. Maybe a few thousand.

There are 150,000 users to manage in the database. Regardless of who's active or not. Spam reports still deal with users and multiple account are being made all the time. And a few thousand is still > 100 on a private server.

You begged so I'll tell you you're wrong. I have read things on how not to get scammed, I do take precautions, but it still happens. Here's the recent scam: He sent me $35 with paypal as a GIFT. I gave him the account info. He somehow filed a case with paypal even though it was a gift. Could a middleman have protected this? No.

If you had made him leave a not with the gift paypal would have seen his "claim" under suspicious circumstances.

I could easily do their job.

No you couldn't. Someone like you would come along and flame you about the horrible job your doing.



That's probably pretty accurate. I don't like those odds. I understand we can't get everyone, but still.

-MORE MODS. Bigger community means you need more mods.

Sure let's just go through and promote a bunch of people and if they turn out to be scammers we can get another feedback thread on how we don't pick mods well enough.

Also your feedback is on scammers never being banned. How will getting more mods help them get banned? Sin, Skele and SuF have posted saying they agree with the decision...

-ENCOURAGE MODS TO FILL OUT SCAM REPORTS. Pretty important aspect of getting rid of scammers

They are encouraged, whether they want to do them or not is a completely different matter.

 

[imtoolazy]

Do yall ever IP ban someone? Because that would make things much simpler.

Good question Im wondering why there are so many ban evaders. I dont understand how there would be ban evaders if you just ban the ip. Very slim chance that you will ban many people with it,unless its like a univ address or something.

 

[Pkpkpk]

No it doesn't. Next time look at the sticky in the section and post what we need to see before we can consider banning them.

Scamming = stealing not mudering. Again, horrible analogy.


You pointed to a scam report that I personally handled. You took us out of that forum to defend ourselves.

No by closing the thread I'm saying because there's a possibility that it can be fake then that's not enough to go on. Like I said with the chat logs, if you had posted them it would still be locked. Doesn't mean you had edited them, just means there's a possibility that you did and that means its not enough to go on.

Confessions can be a result of hacking and fake screenshots amongst other things. Show us proof of a trade with him scamming you and we'll ban him. That simple.

Again, every mod does some form of work.

There are 150,000 users to manage in the database. Regardless of who's active or not. Spam reports still deal with users and multiple account are being made all the time. And a few thousand is still > 100 on a private server.

If you had made him leave a not with the gift paypal would have seen his "claim" under suspicious circumstances.

No you couldn't. Someone like you would come along and flame you about the horrible job your doing.

That's probably pretty accurate. I don't like those odds. I understand we can't get everyone, but still.

Sure let's just go through and promote a bunch of people and if they turn out to be scammers we can get another feedback thread on how we don't pick mods well enough.

Also your feedback is on scammers never being banned. How will getting more mods help them get banned? Sin, Skele and SuF have posted saying they agree with the decision...


They are encouraged, whether they want to do them or not is a completely different matter.

1.
"The only valid proof for an MSN conversation is a screenshot of the ACTUAL CONVERSATION WINDOW." Check
"If you have screenshots, POST THEM!" Check
"DO NOT CHOP OFF THE SIDES OF YOUR MSN SCREENSHOTS!! " Check
"Staff will not download your files. Please upload them and avoid using Rapid Share or any other similar places." Check
"Use an INSTANT MESSENGER for the trade" Check
"Show the MSN address. " Check
"Avoid videos where possible, take screen-shots instead." Check
Looks like I followed the rules.

2. "Scamming = stealing not mudering."
In life, whats the worst crime? Murder
On the forums what is the worst crime? Scamming
You take things MUCH too literal.

3. You only defend yourself when your offended. Are you offended? If so I'm truly sorry for you.

4. Possibility it was edited > Possibility it wasnt is what your saying. What your saying is pictures of the chat log aren't valid evidence. That makes me laugh because the rules for posting reports says pictures>video.

5. IP ban them.

6. So... if screenshots = maybe hack or fake, what do you recommend? Please share that with me!

7. A note? I've never heard anything about that.

8. You sound like a blind man guiding me to safety. Don't try and assume that I'd do a bad job. Just makes you sound dumb tbh.

9. Right because there isn't a good number of users to choose from?

10. ' How will getting more mods help them get banned?' Someone said earlier that there are many reports and that is why it takes time to get through them. This makes complete sense. And let me break it down for you AGAIN. More mods = more scam reports read = people banned = less scams in the future. Crazy, right?

11. I'm encouraged to do good in school, and if I don't, there are consequences. Are there consequences on here? Why would someone want to spend their time reading reports if there is nothing in for them and if they don't have to. Heck I'd love to live a life of all fun and no work. Your point?

 

[Skele]

Good question Im wondering why there are so many ban evaders. I dont understand how there would be ban evaders if you just ban the ip. Very slim chance that you will ban many people with it,unless its like a univ address or something.

Because changing IP's is hard

7. A note? I've never heard anything about that.

Because you never used an MM like it's recommended?

11. I'm encouraged to do good in school, and if I don't, there are consequences. Are there consequences on here? Why would someone want to spend their time reading reports if there is nothing in for them and if they don't have to. Heck I'd love to live a life of all fun and no work. Your point?

Exactly. There's nothing in it for us. We're doing it out of our own will, some want to, others don't.

 

Exactly. There's nothing in it for us. We're doing it out of our own will, some want to, others don't.

I'm pretty sure you guys need a certain number of logs by the end of the month so it's not really voluntary.

 

[Skele]

I'm pretty sure you guys need a certain number of logs by the end of the month so it's not really voluntary.

If all I wanted were logs then I'd do a couple of spam reports, close/move random threads and i'd meet the quota. No need for me to spend hours doing scammer reports because users don't know how to trade.

 

[R33l2r3al]

Good question Im wondering why there are so many ban evaders. I dont understand how there would be ban evaders if you just ban the ip. Very slim chance that you will ban many people with it,unless its like a univ address or something.

Yes, because it doesn't take more than one minute to change your IP address...

5. IP ban them.

9. Right because there isn't a good number of users to choose from?

10. ...And let me break it down for you AGAIN. More mods = more scam reports read = people banned = less scams in the future. Crazy, right?

11. I'm encouraged to do good in school, and if I don't, there are consequences. Are there consequences on here? Why would someone want to spend their time reading reports if there is nothing in for them and if they don't have to. Heck I'd love to live a life of all fun and no work. Your point?

1. The IP Ban will last for all but one minute until they change the IP and make a new account. It doesn't help.

2. There are a lot of users on here, but not all of them are mature enough to handle the position or know enough about the forums to moderate it effectively at all. Mods and OMM's have scammed in the past, and that has been with us taking time to actually try and pick good ones. Now you want to us to pick more quickly and pick more of them? That's an accident waiting to happen.

3. That is quite the logical fallacy. Just because there are more mods, does not mean that more reports will be read. That is based purely on the mods own values. Many mods simply stick to their sections and moderate there, which is perfectly acceptable. As well, just because a report is read does NOT mean people will get banned. Who says every report is legitimate and requires that someone gets banned? Finally, how in the hell does banning people now prevent more scams in the future? Last time I checked, there has ALWAYS been scams and chances are that will continue to be the case regardless of if people are banned or not. They simply come right back. That generalization is made upon completely fabricated nonsense that holds no water in this argument. Provide me one example of evidence that "people banned = less scams in the future." is a true statement.

4. Yes and those people who encourage you are typically your parents, which we the staff here on Sythe, are not. We are not legally bound to force you to go to school, or in this case, force you to use an MM, but it's at your own risk if you don't.

I have read things on how not to get scammed, I do take precautions, but it still happens. Here's the recent scam: He sent me $35 with paypal as a GIFT. I gave him the account info. He somehow filed a case with paypal even though it was a gift. Could a middleman have protected this? No.

Trying to justify the rationale behind not using an MM will not get you anywhere.

 

[imtoolazy]

At least the IP ban discourages the normal user. Not everyone knows that you can just proxy and go around. It makes it harder than just clicking Register on the main page...

 

[R33l2r3al]

At least the IP ban discourages the normal user. Not everyone knows that you can just proxy and go around. It makes it harder than just clicking Register on the main page...

If they are able to register to these forums, something tells me they can use google search.

Go look for youself. Type in "How to change" and tell me what the FIRST suggestion is on the list...

 

[Master.Programmer]

It isn't their job to do them, though maybe if they were paid, it would be different.

 

[Pkpkpk]

Yes, because it doesn't take more than one minute to change your IP address...



1. The IP Ban will last for all but one minute until they change the IP and make a new account. It doesn't help.

2. There are a lot of users on here, but not all of them are mature enough to handle the position or know enough about the forums to moderate it effectively at all. Mods and OMM's have scammed in the past, and that has been with us taking time to actually try and pick good ones. Now you want to us to pick more quickly and pick more of them? That's an accident waiting to happen.

3. That is quite the logical fallacy. Just because there are more mods, does not mean that more reports will be read. That is based purely on the mods own values. Many mods simply stick to their sections and moderate there, which is perfectly acceptable. As well, just because a report is read does NOT mean people will get banned. Who says every report is legitimate and requires that someone gets banned? Finally, how in the hell does banning people now prevent more scams in the future? Last time I checked, there has ALWAYS been scams and chances are that will continue to be the case regardless of if people are banned or not. They simply come right back. That generalization is made upon completely fabricated nonsense that holds no water in this argument. Provide me one example of evidence that "people banned = less scams in the future." is a true statement.

4. Yes and those people who encourage you are typically your parents, which we the staff here on Sythe, are not. We are not legally bound to force you to go to school, or in this case, force you to use an MM, but it's at your own risk if you don't.



Trying to justify the rationale behind not using an MM will not get you anywhere.

1. Oh, I'm not knowledgeable in the IP changing ways. So thanks.
2. That's true. But a lot of them are mature enough.
3. Yes more mods does equal more reports answered because as stated above the mods have requirements they have to meet. And yes it would decrease the number of scams. If this guy had gotten banned before he scammed someone else that would have been one less scam. If I got banned with my posts and time put into this it would take a long while to get my rep back up (not that I have much as it is). And lastly yes I understand not every report is legit, it was just my way of saying get up and read the reports. I'd rather say ban people than type out a whole paragraph of nonsense. Don't read too much into crap.
4.The people that SHOULD encourage people to read reports are sythe and other mods. I'm not forced to go to school either? But if I didn't I would be kicked out of the house. Does any of this make sense to you? Do yall have to keep reading what I put and find some invisible error in it? "W3ll uhh were n0t ur par3ntz durrrrr" No duh.
Okay lets say I did use an MM. He still would have gotten the money back. Your point? BTW this report is from some guy that was supposed to be raising my mining level on my skiller. You don't use MMs for services.. lol.

At least the IP ban discourages the normal user. Not everyone knows that you can just proxy and go around. It makes it harder than just clicking Register on the main page...

I sure don't.

It isn't their job to do them, though maybe if they were paid, it would be different.

So whose job is it? Moderator: moderate. Moderate the forums = get rid of scammers, spammers, keep forum active etc. Its pretty much part of the definition.

If they are able to register to these forums, something tells me they can use google search.

Go look for youself. Type in "How to change" and tell me what the FIRST suggestion is on the list...

If changing IPs deals with a proxy then you can ban proxys. Can also have a list of paypal emails not to deal with. But ya don't. That'd help a lot too.

 

[SuF]

SuF I absolutely LOVE your use of cuss words. I love how you follow every singly one of the rules even that little one about cussing. I also love how this is the feedback section and it seems as though it is more of a gang bang section onto me. None the less I have given suggestions, and I'll repeat them for you:
-MORE MODS. Bigger community means you need more mods.
-ENCOURAGE MODS TO FILL OUT SCAM REPORTS. Pretty important aspect of getting rid of scammers

Maybe I missed your suggestion in your posts because all it seems you are saying is that the mods are wrong and your report did in fact have enough proof. This senseless arguing will get nothing accomplished.

PS: IP bans are utterly worthless so there isn't much point in it.

 

[Master.Programmer]

1. Oh, I'm not knowledgeable in the IP changing ways. So thanks.
2. That's true. But a lot of them are mature enough.
3. Yes more mods does equal more reports answered because as stated above the mods have requirements they have to meet. And yes it would decrease the number of scams. If this guy had gotten banned before he scammed someone else that would have been one less scam. If I got banned with my posts and time put into this it would take a long while to get my rep back up (not that I have much as it is). And lastly yes I understand not every report is legit, it was just my way of saying get up and read the reports. I'd rather say ban people than type out a whole paragraph of nonsense. Don't read too much into crap.
4.The people that SHOULD encourage people to read reports are sythe and other mods. I'm not forced to go to school either? But if I didn't I would be kicked out of the house. Does any of this make sense to you? Do yall have to keep reading what I put and find some invisible error in it? "W3ll uhh were n0t ur par3ntz durrrrr" No duh.
Okay lets say I did use an MM. He still would have gotten the money back. Your point? BTW this report is from some guy that was supposed to be raising my mining level on my skiller. You don't use MMs for services.. lol.



I sure don't.



So whose job is it? Moderator: moderate. Moderate the forums = get rid of scammers, spammers, keep forum active etc. Its pretty much part of the definition.



If changing IPs deals with a proxy then you can ban proxys. Can also have a list of paypal emails not to deal with. But ya don't. That'd help a lot too.

It's not their job - They aren't being paid to babysit.

If they were being paid, it would be different.

 

[Pkpkpk]

Maybe I missed your suggestion in your posts because all it seems you are saying is that the mods are wrong and your report did in fact have enough proof. This senseless arguing will get nothing accomplished.

PS: IP bans are utterly worthless so there isn't much point in it.

No that's not what this thread is about, people have just been transforming it to that. There are a few things that could help out but they aren't in place. Yeah people can make new sythe accounts but they're not going to make new paypal accounts and register them to new bank accounts every day. Correct me if I'm wrong?

It's not their job - They aren't being paid to babysit.

If they were being paid, it would be different.

Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about so just qwerty.

 

[Master.Programmer]

No that's not what this thread is about, people have just been transforming it to that. There are a few things that could help out but they aren't in place. Yeah people can make new sythe accounts but they're not going to make new paypal accounts and register them to new bank accounts every day. Correct me if I'm wrong?



Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about so just qwerty.

I'm being serious, they aren't getting a commission to answer the report. It will get done when it gets done, remember that the forum rights are owned by Sythe himself. Scamming could be allowed if they chose. We should be thankful we have this site - Just be more careful.