Scammers never banned.

[Skele]

2. This is true, but whose job is it? Is it the peoples job to research a company before buying their peanut better or is it the governments to investigate once a report is filed. If they investigate it as it is filed there are less people stuck with salmonella. An example for you?

There should be equal responsibility. The people should research about the company before buying instead of blindly buying from whoever opens shop. The government has a lot of responsibility as it is, and will probably take some time to investigate and come to a decision.

 

[IX Silent Kill]

1. Ah, none the less, it's pretty obvious of his scam, he was cussing and bashing me throughout the picture and then at the end taking the account. What's an incentive of forging a picture? What a joke. If I can forge one part of a convo, I can forge the entire conversation. BTW that's not what he meant, what he meant was basically that is too obvious and a scammer wouldn't do that so that means people will second guess it and think its real. What he is saying makes sense but the thing is every scammer is different. Logging out doesent make you any more of a scammer than saying flat out thanks for the account etc. "I don't ban people off MSN conversations about admitted scammings."

2. This is true, but whose job is it? Is it the peoples job to research a company before buying their peanut better or is it the governments to investigate once a report is filed. If they investigate it as it is filed there are less people stuck with salmonella. An example for you?

3. I agree, so maybe you should encourage the other mods to take charge sometimes. Those who fail to meet the expectations of their job should be removed. There a plenty of people willing to step up and help.

Straight up owning, I agree, seems like Skele is just making up excuses.

 

[Pkpkpk]

There should be equal responsibility. The people should research about the company before buying instead of blindly buying from whoever opens shop. The government has a lot of responsibility as it is, and will probably take some time to investigate and come to a decision.

I should be able to trust that what the store is selling isn't contaminated. They should have done the checking already. I shouldn't have to go take a trip to peter pan industries every week to monitor their production and learn the ins and outs of peanut butter. That's what the other peeps are for. If it were my job to answer scam reports I'd go through them like water. I hate seeing people scammed and more so I hate being scammed myself. Nothing would bring me more happiness (on sythe) than to protect other users from scamers, ultimately minimizing the reports sent.

Straight up owning, I agree, seems like Skele is just making up excuses.

Pretty much. I mean, after all, it isn't the mods job to check the scam reports, right?

 

[Darkgroove]

1. Ah, none the less, it's pretty obvious of his scam, he was cussing and bashing me throughout the picture and then at the end taking the account. What's an incentive of forging a picture? What a joke. If I can forge one part of a convo, I can forge the entire conversation. BTW that's not what he meant, what he meant was basically that is too obvious and a scammer wouldn't do that so that means people will second guess it and think its real. What he is saying makes sense but the thing is every scammer is different. Logging out doesent make you any more of a scammer than saying flat out thanks for the account etc. "I don't ban people off MSN conversations about admitted scammings."

I swear you people are never happy. You complain there are too much scam reports, we do the scam reports, then you complain about the way they are done.

If I produce a screenshot of you saying "haha I scammed your account Darkgroove", can I ban you? I am very willing to show you how badly your mistaken about all this.

2. This is true, but whose job is it? Is it the peoples job to research a company before buying their peanut better or is it the governments to investigate once a report is filed. If they investigate it as it is filed there are less people stuck with salmonella. An example for you?

We're the police in your analogy, not the government.

3. I agree, so maybe you should encourage the other mods to take charge sometimes. Those who fail to meet the expectations of their job should be removed. There a plenty of people willing to step up and help.

Those who fail to meet the expectations of their status are removed. The admins have standards to which the moderators are kept to, and if they don't meet those standards are demoted (see me and Daily's demotion back in November).

All moderators are stepping up and helping. Just because their work doesn't involve the scammer forum doesn't mean they aren't helping out. Look at the spam reports, disputes, daily checks to each forum, voicing opinions in SL.

All you've said has been based on a naive and ignorant view of an outsider. You clearly know nothing about what gets done and are very happy to place blame on the people working hard when things don't get done your way. Again, would you like me to provide a picture of you telling me on MSN that stole my account (he hasn't stolen my account, it's just to show him how easy a screenshot like that is to fake which is why we don't ban users for that without additional proof/information.

Pretty much. I mean, after all, it isn't the mods job to check the scam reports, right?

All moderators are expected to do is moderate posts/threads. That is why they are called "moderators".

 

[Skele]

I should be able to trust that what the store is selling isn't contaminated. They should have done the checking already. I shouldn't have to go take a trip to peter pan industries every week to monitor their production and learn the ins and outs of peanut butter. That's what the other peeps are for. If it were my job to answer scam reports I'd go through them like water. I hate seeing people scammed and more so I hate being scammed myself. Nothing would bring me more happiness (on sythe) than to protect other users from scamers, ultimately minimizing the reports sent.

This is a free market, we don't have any control on who makes what kind of shops here. As such we take care of ourselves, mods are simply the higher official who make the final say.

 

[Pkpkpk]

I swear you people are never happy. You complain there are too much scam reports, we do the scam reports, then you complain about the way they are done.

If I produce a screenshot of you saying "haha I scammed your account Darkgroove", can I ban you? I am very willing to show you how badly your mistaken about all this.

We're the police in your analogy, not the government.

Those who fail to meet the expectations of their status are removed. The admins have standards to which the moderators are kept to, and if they don't meet those standards are demoted (see me and Daily's demotion back in November).

All moderators are stepping up and helping. Just because their work doesn't involve the scammer forum doesn't mean they aren't helping out. Look at the spam reports, disputes, daily checks to each forum, voicing opinions in SL.

All you've said has been based on a naive and ignorant view of an outsider. You clearly know nothing about what gets done and are very happy to place blame on the people working hard when things don't get done your way. Again, would you like me to provide a picture of you telling me on MSN that stole my account (he hasn't stolen my account, it's just to show him how easy a screenshot like that is to fake which is why we don't ban users for that without additional proof/information.



All moderators are expected to do is moderate posts/threads. That is why they are called "moderators".

1. Because people never get banned the way you do them. You wanted pictures, I provided pictures. I had to wait nearly two months for a response. Yall make excuses, so I complain.

2. You could JUST AS EASILY produce a whole conversation, correct? This argument can't stand. Also are you accusing me of making a fake? If so that's pretty sad as you know nothing about me.

3. Okay? You're the police? What's the police's job?

4. Then maybe that needs to happen more often. The majority of the reports are solved my skele. Why does he have to do all the dirty work? He seems to solve pretty much all of the spam reports as well, except for the occasional person that decides to help out (my observation).

5. Okay... so... lets say 10 people sign up to help with a clean up day. Two people help clean the chapel while the other 8 go up into the attic and clean up there. Which is more important? The chapel or the attic? This might just be my opinion but I think it's more important to clean out all the scammers before we move to spammers.

6. 'All you've said has been based on a naive and ignorant view of an outsider.' Wait one second... oh, right! we're in the feedback section. You're right, I'm not a mod. I don't have flashy ranks, and I'm not a 'guru' but I am a forum user. I bet if you put up a poll the majority of the regular users that have been scammed aren't so happy with the whole system. Why? Because it doesn't work. Scam reports are worthless.

7. Reading and analyzing scam reports IS moderating. If not than whose job is it.

This is a free market, we don't have any control on who makes what kind of shops here. As such we take care of ourselves, mods are simply the higher official who make the final say.

Yeah, bad example. My point is you require pretty much the middle name of the scamer to even have a slight chance of banning them.

 

[Darkgroove]

1. Because people never get banned the way you do them. You wanted pictures, I provided pictures. I had to wait nearly two months for a response. Yall make excuses, so I complain.

You'd be waiting longer if I didn't start from the back and work my way forward. And people do get banned the way we do it. You provide adequate proof that a scam took place and we'll ban them.

2. You could JUST AS EASILY produce a whole conversation, correct? This argument can't stand. Also are you accusing me of making a fake? If so that's pretty sad as you know nothing about me.

Incorrect. First of all, stop putting words in my mouth. I said it's possible to provide a fake screenshot that requires minimal work to edit (such as the one you gave). You'd get the same response if you provided chat logs. We're not saying they're fake, but it's definitely possible and not enough to have us conclude that the user did in fact scam you.

And as for the whole conversation, it would take a lot more work (it's usually about 12 screenshots) and if it is in fact fake, the other user can point out which parts are fake in a dispute.

3. Okay? You're the police? What's the police's job?

To enforce the law. That's the rules. That's a lot more than just the report a scammer section. And to enforce the law, we need proof of a scam. Proof that you haven't provided.

4. Then maybe that needs to happen more often. The majority of the reports are solved my skele. Why does he have to do all the dirty work? He seems to solve pretty much all of the spam reports as well, except for the occasional person that decides to help out (my observation).

Skele is very devoted (and has no life ) I help him when I can, but that can't always be the case. That is exactly why he is a global and does a damn fine job.

5. Okay... so... lets say 10 people sign up to help with a clean up day. Two people help clean the chapel while the other 8 go up into the attic and clean up there. Which is more important? The chapel or the attic? This might just be my opinion but I think it's more important to clean out all the scammers before we move to spammers.

You're providing horrible analogies. The chapel is "more important" becaues it is what users see when they walk in. The report a spammer forum contains all the mess that users see when they first turn up.

As for the scammer section, it's supposed to serve as a database for users before they trade to determine the possibility of the person they are trading with scamming them.

6. 'All you've said has been based on a naive and ignorant view of an outsider.' Wait one second... oh, right! we're in the feedback section. You're right, I'm not a mod. I'm don't have flashy ranks, and I'm not a 'guru' but I am a forum user. I bet if you put up a poll the majority of the regular users that have been scammed aren't so happy with the whole system. Why? Because it doesn't work. Scam reports are worthless.

Then don't make them. I disagree with you, but don't make them. Instead of whining, make a suggestion that you think will work.

7. Reading and analyzing scam reports IS moderating. If not than whose job is it.

It's not anyones job. This is what we're trying to get across to you. All you've done by making this thread is take me and skele out of the scam forum to defend ourselves to you when really we haven't done anything wrong.

 

[Skele]

Yeah, bad example. My point is you require pretty much the middle name of the scamer to even have a slight chance of banning them.

It's not that hard, if you follow the simple template and provide all the info they'll be banned. Don't have us guessing what happened next because you decided to only provide 1 screenshot.

Skele is very devoted (and has no life )

It's not anyones job. This is what we're trying to get across to you. All you've done by making this thread is take me and skele out of the scam forum to defend ourselves to you when really we haven't done anything wrong.

This^

 

[imtoolazy]

I know I am speaking from a "new user" perspective but:

I think that the scammer section does work well. When I first went to report a scammer, I thought it probably wouldn't get me anywhere. I saw a lot of 0 replied threads there. But, I followed the template, and the ban was recognized fast. The evidence is really important.
Unfortunately, having all of the utilites to do the job is nice, but the problem is that they are sometimes inaccessible. What good is having a phonebook if there is no easy way to search within it. Similarly, whats the point of having the report a scammer section if when you go to use it,the site takes 10 mins to load or times out. I tried posting about that,but somehow the thread disappeared. Its really hard to do a trade around 7pm-9pm EST because people are adding you on msn when they are barely able to see the page.
Asking for a pm or reply takes forever, or sometimes doesn't happen. honestly, accessing the site during that time has become a painful task during that time.

Bottom line: I feel if there was more access to the site,especially during the time when a lot of trades happen, people would actually take 2 seconds(because it would actually take that amount of time) and run a background check before trading.

I even volunteered to possibly get a server. At least a mirror would be nice. Possibly cloud hosting?

^^Thats my opinion. I know it may not mean much because I am not an old member,but its how I feel.

 

[Darkgroove]

I know I am speaking from a "new user" perspective but:

I think that the scammer section does work well. When I first went to report a scammer, I thought it probably wouldn't get me anywhere. I saw a lot of 0 replied threads there. But, I followed the template, and the ban was recognized fast. The evidence is really important.
Unfortunately, having all of the utilites to do the job is nice, but the problem is that they are sometimes inaccessible. What good is having a phonebook if there is no easy way to search within it. Similarly, whats the point of having the report a scammer section if when you go to use it,the site takes 10 mins to load or times out. I tried posting about that,but somehow the thread disappeared. Its really hard to do a trade around 7pm-9pm EST because people are adding you on msn when they are barely able to see the page.
Asking for a pm or reply takes forever, or sometimes doesn't happen. honestly, accessing the site during that time has become a painful task during that time.

Bottom line: I feel if there was more access to the site,especially during the time when a lot of trades happen, people would actually take 2 seconds(because it would actually take that amount of time) and run a background check before trading.

I even volunteered to possibly get a server. At least a mirror would be nice. Possibly cloud hosting?

^^Thats my opinion. I know it may not mean much because I am not an old member,but its how I feel.

If people weren't DDoSing the server this wouldn't be so much of a problem.

 

[imtoolazy]

Ahh,thats what was happening? I always wondered what was going down with the server. I guess they only like to do it at that time? Anyway,back on topic: I think there is a moderate amount of work being done with the scammers thread. Probably not as much that could be done, but its moving. I am sure it takes trust to get up there, I am ready to volunteer, but I know I am not that trusted on the forum for such a task. Hopefully in the future I would be able to help make this forum a better place.

 

[Plundy]

I think it is funny how quickly Skele_Master and Darkgroove are on this thread to defend themselves.

I respect both of you for taking the time out of your day to complete scam reports, but for other moderators, it seems to me like they don't give a rats ass about this community, and would rather buy and sell runescape than take care of potential scammers.

Runescape private servers with 100 people have a better banning system than this site.

It makes me sick.

 

[g9x]

Good to see all my hard work is being noticed.

Sorry, I was only talking about recently (few days)


You've always been one of my fav. mods, I know you do a good job

 

[Darkgroove]

I think it is funny how quickly Skele_Master and Darkgroove are on this thread to defend themselves.

I respect both of you for taking the time out of your day to complete scam reports, but for other moderators, it seems to me like they don't give a rats ass about this community, and would rather buy and sell runescape than take care of potential scammers.

Runescape private servers with 100 people have a better banning system than this site.

It makes me sick.

That's because there's only 100 people to control... we have 150,000... Plus the way scams are conducted are VERY different.

 

[Necromancer24]

I think it is funny how quickly Skele_Master and Darkgroove are on this thread to defend themselves.

I respect both of you for taking the time out of your day to complete scam reports, but for other moderators, it seems to me like they don't give a rats ass about this community, and would rather buy and sell runescape than take care of potential scammers.

Runescape private servers with 100 people have a better banning system than this site.

It makes me sick.

Are you for real? The other moderators are busy with the other parts of the site. There are like 20 mods, give or take a few. There are more than 150k members, give or take a few 10k. These things take time.

You should be damn grateful that the mods are taking time out of their day to do the reports. It's the user's fault for being an idiot to get scammed. Ever read a guide "HOW TO NOT GET SCAMMED"? No, you did not. Did you read the rules of the RaS section before you posted your thread? No you did not. You went straight ahead and traded, with NO middleman. Then, when you get scammed, you post threads being a little bitch going "omfg he scammed me!". And to top it off, you don't even post adequate proof, only proof that a third grader with paint could have edited.

Tell me i'm wrong, I beg you.

 

[Kristian4th]

Another 1-2 helpers would be good for the site, even if it is within the Scammers section. There will be some people willing to do it.

 

[Necromancer24]

Another 1-2 helpers would be good for the site, even if it is within the Scammers section. There will be some people willing to do it.

This has been suggested before. It has been denied. They won't be able to solve the reports without being able to ban people. They could be biased. More existing mods should do some reports once in a while.

 

[speedsage]

geez, lay off the mods they try their best . how about you put your self in that position and see how fast you get flamed.

 

[Volume]

I Can freely defend the staff, they have done a good job, around %60 of scammers reported get banned, i think thats still a good job.

 

[SuF]

Either provide suggestions to make the system work better, or shut the fuck up, stop complaining and wasting our time.