Regarding Offical Middle Man Applications..

[Feren Silver]

I don't believe this is breaking a suggestion rule, because it's a suggestion to the OMM process.

Well, my question is.. Why has the OMM process gotten that much harder to obtain?

• Most of our current OMM's have MM'd smaller trades like pin trades, GP trades (in the old ways), and account swaps.
• The old requirements:
  • PINs (0/10):
  • Other Trades (0/X):
  • 12M+ Trades (0/5):
    • Heck, these aren't even set in stone. They were just general outlines (looking off the accepted OMM's apps).
      

I mean, come on. The 'big' trades were 12m+? That's about $40 in market value for that GP. Now consider the requirements for OMM now:

• 10 trades for anything up to $50.
• 5 trades for anything between $50.00 and $100.
• 5 trades for anything at or over $100.
• 3 trades for anything over $200.

A majority of these aren't that bad to accomplish, but the $100+ ones get tricky and the $200+ ones are almost impossible due to someone risking that much cash would clearly pay for an OMM.

I know I'll get denied, but it's just a thought that was running through my mind while looking at the accepted OMM applications (Sigex..).
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[ChamilliTarY]

I agree with this 100%

 

I find it all reasonable, it's what proves that you have trust and you won't scam.

I just hate the damn pictures that need to be taken, lol.....I always forget those!

 

[Kadaj]

Fully agree, is kind of a recent why i gave up on my application, no one wants to use regular people for bigger trades, they'd much rather use a staff or OMM to further guarantee their safety in the trade.

And Badger - you're a staff member, people will use you over others, which makes it easier for you.

;D

 

[Repentless]

I don't believe this is breaking a suggestion rule, because it's a suggestion to the OMM process.

Well, my question is.. Why has the OMM process gotten that much harder to obtain?

• Most of our current OMM's have MM'd smaller trades like pin trades, GP trades (in the old ways), and account swaps.

I mean, come on. The 'big' trades were 12m+? That's about $40 in market value for that GP. Now consider the requirements for OMM now:

• 10 trades for anything up to $50.
• 5 trades for anything between $50.00 and $100.
• 5 trades for anything at or over $100.
• 3 trades for anything over $200.

A majority of these aren't that bad to accomplish, but the $100+ ones get tricky and the $200+ ones are almost impossible due to someone risking that much cash would clearly pay for an OMM.

I know I'll get denied, but it's just a thought that was running through my mind while looking at the accepted OMM applications (Sigex..).
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The acceptance of Sigex's MM app was a joke. It didn't really happen.

GP used to be a lot more valuable back in the day, by the way.

The requirements are fine.

 

[HeavenLord]

The Sigex application was, as stated (for teh lulz) he had 1 completed MM out of 25.

The point is that the middleman application is not supposed to be a walk in the park. Sythe has high standards for Middlemen and application requirements should not be lowered just so more people can get the rank. Which is why only 3 people are currently official mms, they went through the rigorous process the same as everyone else did and succeeded.

Its a valid suggestion but I doubt its going to be applied.

 

I find it all reasonable, it's what proves that you have trust and you won't scam.

I just hate the damn pictures that need to be taken, lol.....I always forget those!

I do too. It's hard to save it and upload proper pictures.

Fully agree, is kind of a recent why i gave up on my application, no one wants to use regular people for bigger trades, they'd much rather use a staff or OMM to further guarantee their safety in the trade.

And Badger - you're a staff member, people will use you over others, which makes it easier for you.

;D

Agreed.

On Topic: I somewhat agree with this, the "rigorous" process seems a task nearly impossible. Though I do see how it's reasonable when you talk about it, it's harder when you actually have to do all the trades. I'd recommend perhaps cutting some of the more difficult requirements for the application.

 

[Feren Silver]

Fully agree, is kind of a recent why i gave up on my application, no one wants to use regular people for bigger trades, they'd much rather use a staff or OMM to further guarantee their safety in the trade.

And Badger - you're a staff member, people will use you over others, which makes it easier for you.

;D

Yes, this is why I'm starting to lose faith in even attempting to try for an OMM application. You can't blame regular users to prefer using someone that was 'trusted' enough to get a mod spot over a 'regular user' like the majority of us.

The acceptance of Sigex's MM app was a joke. It didn't really happen.

GP used to be a lot more valuable back in the day, by the way.

The requirements are fine.

Please, enlighten me. What was the value of GP? I played and it was $5 at most. So let's do the math 5 x 12 = $60. Still far from the current requirements.

The Sigex application was, as stated (for teh lulz) he had 1 completed MM out of 25.

The point is that the middleman application is not supposed to be a walk in the park. Sythe has high standards for Middlemen and application requirements should not be lowered just so more people can get the rank. Which is why only 3 people are currently official mms, they went through the rigorous process the same as everyone else did and succeeded.

Its a valid suggestion but I doubt its going to be applied.

Why shouldn't there be more OMM's? There are highly qualified MM's here on the site that deserve it. Not to mention, it's hard for 3 OMM's to handle all the trades.

You claim the process should be rigorous. Please, look at their proofs. They had to MM pin trades, GP swaps (when it was easy), and account swaps. That's no where near the difficulty what the MM's trying complete the application are going through.

I do too. It's hard to save it and upload proper pictures.



Agreed.

On Topic: I somewhat agree with this, the "rigorous" process seems a task nearly impossible. Though I do see how it's reasonable when you talk about it, it's harder when you actually have to do all the trades. I'd recommend perhaps cutting some of the more difficult requirements for the application.

I agree. I'm fine with the trades you need to MM, but that high of value trades is almost near impossible to achieve. Look at Tubba Lub, he was 3 MM's away from OMM (all $200+ trades) and he couldn't get anyone that would trust him with that kind of money.

 

[Spazz]

I think 200$+ is a little high I'd preffer 150$ but Sythe has his rules.

 

[Feren Silver]

I think 200$+ is a little high I'd preffer 150$ but Sythe has his rules.

Finn made the rule, not Sythe. I just want to know why has the 'standard' changed for being considered trustworthy enough for an OMM?

 

[djweasel]

I agree with Feren because I've told him I'd like him to MM for one of my trades of an account which was $250 and I didn't wanna do it since if the buyer scammed we'd have an issue. I also looked at old MM apps and it's true there are few that were big trades.

 

[Sin666]

I would be willing to look into adjusting the requirements. They're not meant to be so hard that by the time people finish the applications, we're pressured to accept them for a lack of options. Applications should be difficult to complete, but not impossible.

Keep in mind, however, that accounts now sell for much higher than they did in the past. Previously, accounts were sold stripped of any item of value, and were worth only a raw number for their stats: now, almost all of them come with a full bank. Mills, previously sold in pieces, are frequently sold as bulk. The average trade value has certainly increased; as such, the MM requirements should too.

It's not a simple matter of quick math. The question is really what do accounts sell for, how often, and how many of those trades are the officials currently handling. If there are enough $200+ trades but the mods and officials are active enough to handle it, then there isn't a problem.

 

[HeavenLord]

Why shouldn't there be more OMM's? There are highly qualified MM's here on the site that deserve it. Not to mention, it's hard for 3 OMM's to handle all the trades.

You claim the process should be rigorous. Please, look at their proofs. They had to MM pin trades, GP swaps (when it was easy), and account swaps. That's no where near the difficulty what the MM's trying complete the application are going through.

Why do people think that Middlemen only apply to runescape? As stated in the requirements it clearly state:

This permits trades from any game that we endorse, or is spoken about on the site, ie Runescape, WoW, Steam, etc. This includes the real life trading market.

WoW gold trading and account trading is extremely easy compared to Runescape, so how is mming those any harder? The same applies with real life items which makes it especially easier for items to go above $200 etc. (ipods, video game consoles)

The only thing that has changed is the gold swaps, account selling, services, pin selling, etc. are all the same. The point is that Sythe has a high standard for trusted and if members aren't willing to go through the application process in the first place then they really should reconsider applying. It's not just the rank, its the responsibilities and trusted status that comes with it.

 

[Feren Silver]

I would be willing to look into adjusting the requirements. They're not meant to be so hard that by the time people finish the applications, we're pressured to accept them for a lack of options. Applications should be difficult to complete, but not impossible.

Keep in mind, however, that accounts now sell for much higher than they did in the past. Previously, accounts were sold stripped of any item of value, and were worth only a raw number for their stats: now, almost all of them come with a full bank. Mills, previously sold in pieces, are frequently sold as bulk. The average trade value has certainly increased; as such, the MM requirements should too.

It's not a simple matter of quick math. The question is really what do accounts sell for, how often, and how many of those trades are the officials currently handling. If there are enough $200+ trades but the mods and officials are active enough to handle it, then there isn't a problem.

No the problem is that no one is willing to risk their $200 account to a non-staff member. A majority of the $200 accounts don't get traded because:

• They can't get in contact with an OMM.
• They won't use a Trusted MM.
• Or one of the traders is scammed because one gives up and goes first.

On the value of trades. Sure, accounts may have been removed of all the wealth, but a majority of that wealth was sold on Sythe (covering the 12m+ costs). Not to mention MMing GP back in the day wasn't hard. It required logging in and trading with two people.

I'm just saying in my opinion the $200 trades are absurd. I'm not exactly sure what the solution would be, but I'm just pointing out the problem (from my viewpoint).

Why do people think that Middlemen only apply to runescape? As stated in the requirements it clearly state:



WoW gold trading and account trading is extremely easy compared to Runescape, so how is mming those any harder? The same applies with real life items which makes it especially easier for items to go above $200 etc. (ipods, video game consoles)

The only thing that has changed is the gold swaps, account selling, services, pin selling, etc. are all the same. The point is that Sythe has a high standard for trusted and if members aren't willing to go through the application process in the first place then they really should reconsider applying. It's not just the rank, its the responsibilities and trusted status that comes with it.

Please, do not put words in my mouth. I got the old requirements off old applications, so don't say "I'm RuneScape minded." Look at a majority of my MM's, they're almost all Xbox related trades. So, because I decided to shoot for OMM later than other people, I am being punished by going through a more rigorous application? I'm being punished because I don't play WoW and can't do "easy MM's"? Did I come in here, begging for an OMM rank? No I didn't. I'm just telling you the current process is near impossible to complete by non-mods for obvious reasons. By your statement, I'm screwed because I didn't try for OMM application right away. I guess I'll stop trying for OMM then?

My question for you HeavenLord, is why did it become more rigorous? If RuneScape gold trading became more difficult, why should OMM apps become harder? There are plenty of other endorsed markets that haven't changed. Please explain why it's gotten harder?

 

[7ouch]

I say you seperate the OMMs. Make a specific application for each type of sale and if a person completes that application they become an OMM for that type of sale. That way we can set the application standards based on each type of sale since some will be more difficult than others.

 

[Shin]

I find it all reasonable, it's what proves that you have trust and you won't scam.

Perhaps, but there are some people that I've seen in the past that hit their breaking point, and it's sad.

I just hate the damn pictures that need to be taken, lol.....I always forget those!

Um...
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Fully agree, is kind of a recent why i gave up on my application, no one wants to use regular people for bigger trades, they'd much rather use a staff or OMM to further guarantee their safety in the trade.

That's not really the issue, tbh. The thing is that either one is not popular, or the other person they're trading with is a scammer. Not after long, they become impatient and decide to go first to the other anyways, and then get scammed.

And Badger - you're a staff member, people will use you over others, which makes it easier for you.

Not necessarily, but it will absolutely help him, I'm sure.
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Not ONLY do you have to complete the OMM Application, but as finished you must go through a poll of the Staff. I'm sure everyone would think your OMM App would actually be treated as an application, but it absolutely doesn't. Basically, you have to complete an application just for the Staff to vote on you. They don't vote on your application for the skill and effort put forth, and the professionalism within, but is all based on a popularity vote.

So how's that for an added difficulty. Either you're popular and you'll get OMM, or if people like to create a bunch of drama with you, you get to sit on the back burner forever. It's like trying to run through a wall.

Good luck to others.

 

[Feren Silver]

Not ONLY do you have to complete the OMM Application, but as finished you must go through a poll of the Staff. I'm sure everyone would think your OMM App would actually be treated as an application, but it absolutely doesn't. Basically, you have to complete an application just for the Staff to vote on you. They don't vote on your application for the skill and effort put forth, and the professionalism within, but is all based on a popularity vote.

So how's that for an added difficulty. Either you're popular and you'll get OMM, or if people like to create a bunch of drama with you, you get to sit on the back burner forever. It's like trying to run through a wall.

Good luck to others.

Yeah, this is another thing. By the time you've managed to complete the gauntlet of obstacles to get the proofs done you've made enemies in high places along the way. They will surely vote no on your application and you're right back at the start. Hopefully Sin can come up with a solution.

 

[imxtoeknee]

I almost gave up but I came back and started again, the requirements are kind of harsh, but I guess it may be necessary.

 

[SuF]

I was pushing for a $300 trade aswell. Many accounts now are selling for much more than $200. Anyone could become an official MM, and wait until they get a $1000+ trade before they scam. The application needs to be harsh to keep out scammers. Get some staff to vouch for you and people should trust you. They are moronic like that you know?

 

[Louis]

I know they wanted to set high standards, but I've practically given up because of them.