Abortion

[v Angel v]

It's wrong and anyone who thinks it's right should die.
Here is my point of view:
The fetus is not hers,it's inside her.
Abortion is not damaging the mom,but the baby. (physically)
Killing is wrong specially a helpless baby.
Now if your gonna say it's not baby yet....than your partly right.
But it does have something and it's what makes us all human,it has a soul.(if your offended by me using "it" I say it like that because it can be either boy or girl)
It is killing not only the creation between the father and mother but one of god's creations.(if your an atheist i strongly recommend that you find a religion)
well that's just my point of view..

 

[Swan]

It's wrong and anyone who thinks it's right should die.
Here is my point of view:
The fetus is not hers,it's inside her.
Abortion is not damaging the mom,but the baby. (physically)
Killing is wrong specially a helpless baby.
Now if your gonna say it's not baby yet....than your partly right.
But it does have something and it's what makes us all human,it has a soul.(if your offended by me using "it" I say it like that because it can be either boy or girl)
It is killing not only the creation between the father and mother but one of god's creations.(if your an atheist i strongly recommend that you find a religion)
well that's just my point of view..

Religion does not come in to this debate. Any view inspired by religion should be thought through rationally before even being considered.

Why should we die?

The fetus is inside the mother, yes. She has the right to purge it from her body if she doesn't want it.

Abortion removes the fetus, which cannot feel pain until a certain period of time.

A fetus is not yet a proper human being.

How do you know it has a soul? It is just a bunch of cells put together, nothing special about that (yes, I'm a clump of cells as well. The difference is, I'm actually a grown human being meaning I am rational. A fetus is not rational).

Oh, I'm sorry but a fetus is not "God's creation"; A fetus is a developed fertilized egg cell inside a female's womb. Any mythical deity doesn't come in to this subject whatsoever. Furthermore, why should I "get a religion"? I'm the one being rational here, you're just spouting shit without backing yourself or your views up at all.

 

[The Riddler_]

The fetus is inside the mother, yes. She has the right to purge it from her body if she doesn't want it.

If it being purged from the body is meaning it's losing it's life then it does matter.

Abortion removes the fetus, which cannot feel pain until a certain period of time.

Why did you say this? You said that even after the baby is born, it is "ok" to kill it. Why would you be concerned with if it can feel pain or not.

A fetus is not yet a proper human being

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Yet, but it WILL. Please, get me a percentage of the miscarriages and the successful births. I want to see how they measure up together. Not every baby being aborted is going to be a miscarriage.

I see that as a cop-out; You don't want to debate with me because my thoughts directly contradict your thoughts. The entire point of a debate is to change someone's mind.

You can't teach someone who won't listen.

 

[v Angel v]

Religion does not come in to this debate. Any view inspired by religion should be thought through rationally before even being considered.

Why should we die?

The fetus is inside the mother, yes. She has the right to purge it from her body if she doesn't want it.

Abortion removes the fetus, which cannot feel pain until a certain period of time.

How do you know it has a soul? It is just a bunch of cells put together, nothing special about that (yes, I'm a clump of cells as well. The difference is, I'm actually a grown human being meaning I am rational. A fetus is not rational).


Oh, I'm sorry but a fetus is not "God's creation"; A fetus is a developed fertilized egg cell inside a female's womb. Any mythical deity doesn't come in to this subject whatsoever. Furthermore, why should I "get a religion"? I'm the one being rational here, you're just spouting shit without backing yourself or your views up at all.

1.Your right I shouldn't bring up religion [sarcasm]after all the big bang created us[/sarcasm]

2.No debate.

3.But the fetus is not just some "thing" you can just take out it's a human being in the making and taking it out is just killing a person

4.Yes it does feel pain.(depending on the week)

5.Your basically saying none of us have a soul,it's becoming a human being and all human beings have a soul,unfortunately atheists such as yourself will say bullshit we don't have one we only have a conscience or some shit like that.I WISH there was some type of proof to prove we have a soul sadly there isn't,but there is belief (in a high power) that we have one and it what makes us different from other species.

6.If you think about it scientifically yes,but there isn't any experiment that will prove me right your an Atheist the only way you will believe me is if Jesus Christ or God himself appears in front of you and tell you how he made us.

I will never change my mind abortion is wrong and people who do it should burn in hell

 

[DropKick Murphys]

1.Your right I shouldn't bring up religion [sarcasm]after all the big bang created us[/sarcasm]

You're right, it is sooo much more likely some invisible old man in the sky flicked his finger and then everything was magically made

3.But the fetus is not just some "thing" you can just take out it's a human being in the making and taking it out is just killing a person

So you would tell a mother she cannot remove what is essentially a parasite from her body? I don't believe a fetus has rights, but even if it did the mother still has the right to remove it from her body.

5.Your basically saying none of us have a soul,it's becoming a human being and all human beings have a soul

Would you care to offer evidence for such and outlandish claim? What is a soul even?

,unfortunately atheists such as yourself will say bullshit we don't have one we only have a conscience or some shit like that.

lol

I WISH there was some type of proof to prove we have a soul sadly there isn't,but there is belief (in a high power) that we have one and it what makes us different from other species.

So you admit you believe in something with no evidence? And what makes us different from other species is our intelligence and our rationality.

6.If you think about it scientifically yes,but there isn't any experiment that will prove me right your an Atheist the only way you will believe me is if Jesus Christ or God himself appears in front of you and tell you how he made us.

If I thought I saw god or jesus I would think I was hallucinating. The only way I would believe it is if he appeared in front of me and other credible witnesses.

I will never change my mind abortion is wrong and people who do it should burn in hell

What a nice Christian, suggesting people should burn in hell!

 

[v Angel v]

1.Wow atheists these days...god created the universe in 6 days if you don't believe that I couldn't careless.
2.Parasite? your basically calling all humans parasites.It's a human being not yet completely developed but it should have the right to live.
3.It's a part of God within you.(well not with you since you an atheist.)
4.-----
5.Yes if you put it like that,we are a higher power than any other species on earth we are more intelligent than any other too,you don't see a fucking chicken driving a car or buying groceries or trying to find a cure for cancer?
6.Ha funny....
7.Thanks

 

[DropKick Murphys]

1.Wow atheists these days...god created the universe in 6 days if you don't believe that I couldn't careless.

Well I generally don't believe things unless there is at least some evidence to support it. I mean, if I told you that there was a pink zebra orbiting a distant star who controlled everything on earth, would you believe me?

2.Parasite? your basically calling all humans parasites.

No, fetuses are literally parasites. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just saying what they are.

It's a human being not yet completely developed but it should have the right to live.

Well I'm certainly not advocating killing them, I'm just saying that if a mother wishes to remove something from her body she should be able to. Is that so ridiculous?

3.It's a part of God within you.(well not with you since you an atheist.)

How do you know that? I mean, I could just assert the opposite and that doesn't make it true.

5.Yes if you put it like that,we are a higher power than any other species on earth we are more intelligent than any other too,you don't see a fucking chicken driving a car or buying groceries or trying to find a cure for cancer?

I certainly agree, I have never seen a fucking chicken driving a car, and I definitely haven't seen one finding a cure for cancer!

Look, I don't have anything against you or your religion, I could care less what you believe. It's just when you start trying to take away my freedoms and the freedoms of other people that I have a problem.

 

[v Angel v]

1.The only proof I can give you is the strong belief people have.
2.I think calling a fetus a parasite is way too harsh but if you want to call it that go ahead.
3.Yes, it is ridiculous it's another life it doesn't belong to her it's not property.
4.Belief my friend,belief.
5.Abortion is killing a fetus basically taking away it's freedom to live.

 

[Oh Bama]

Neither. It is wrong if the person that made the child is able to take care of and support the child. It is ok if the person can't take care of the child on his/her own and also support and nurture the child. Remember what does a child need. Attention - Care - Support - Nurturing - ECT.

 

[Xtrader]

it's only wrong if its a certain length into the pregnancy, if its still a sperm its OK.

 

3.Yes, it is ridiculous it's another life it doesn't belong to her it's not property.
4.Belief my friend,belief.
5.Abortion is killing a fetus basically taking away it's freedom to live.

We're taking away the freedom it never had. The fetus doesn't understand its own existence, and can't even feel pain.

 

[Swan]

1.The only proof I can give you is the strong belief people have.
2.I think calling a fetus a parasite is way too harsh but if you want to call it that go ahead.
3.Yes, it is ridiculous it's another life it doesn't belong to her it's not property.
4.Belief my friend,belief.
5.Abortion is killing a fetus basically taking away it's freedom to live.

1. That isn't proof - it is irrational.

2. Definition of parasite:

an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host

A fetus is certainly a parasite.

3. I'm sure that before you realized that a fetus was a parasite, you wouldn't want a parasite inside your body. It is the mother's right to remove that parasite, regardless of moral objection. As rational beings, it is irrational to base laws on moral views. Let me present you with an example: Criminals: Some people may think it is right to kill people for a crime, but that doesn't make it rational to do so. Abortion is no different. We as rational beings base our laws on rational viewpoints rather than morals, and it is not irrational to remove a parasite from one's body.

4. Belief without proof is irrational. Russel's Teapot applies.

5. A fetus never has freedom to live until it is born - It isn't even conscious of itself until late stages of pregnency.

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@Riddler: I don't care if a fetus can feel pain or not as I have very little emotion regarding the subject, if any. I'm debating from what most people would consider a rational viewpoint.

 

[Macroman]

I honestly think that abortion anytime before birth is alright, as long as its done in the most humane way.

 

[shoompa]

I honestly think that abortion anytime before birth is alright, as long as its done in the most humane way.

how is there any way to kill something and it remain "humane?"

its not like once a baby comes out of the womb during birth that all of a sudden it becomes a living thing, most of the procedures done the baby is almost or fully formed when they are killed.

would it bother everyone if they used guns?

 

[Swan]

how is there any way to kill something and it remain "humane?"

its not like once a baby comes out of the womb during birth that all of a sudden it becomes a living thing, most of the procedures done the baby is almost or fully formed when they are killed.

would it bother everyone if they used guns?

Apply this to a different scenario: There are humane ways to kill a fully grown, living dog.

 

[1337_Byte]

My view on abortion: WRONG

I think that killing a living human being is wrong.
An alternative to having an abortion is child donation.
If you truly think you can not handle your child for some reason, you should be able to go through a court like process. If accepted, your child would be take care of.

Anyone have any points that make me want to change my mind?

 

[Shredderbeam]

yes i think it should be banned unless if the woman got raped. babies are people to and dont deserve to be killed

When you say "people", what do you mean?

It's wrong and anyone who thinks it's right should die.
Here is my point of view:
The fetus is not hers,it's inside her.
Abortion is not damaging the mom,but the baby. (physically)
Killing is wrong specially a helpless baby.
Now if your gonna say it's not baby yet....than your partly right.
But it does have something and it's what makes us all human,it has a soul.(if your offended by me using "it" I say it like that because it can be either boy or girl)
It is killing not only the creation between the father and mother but one of god's creations.(if your an atheist i strongly recommend that you find a religion)
well that's just my point of view..

If you're going to use religion to justify your pro-life stance, you had better be able to justify your religion.

The fetus is not quite a "helpless baby".

Yet, but it WILL. Please, get me a percentage of the miscarriages and the successful births. I want to see how they measure up together. Not every baby being aborted is going to be a miscarriage.

Why is it wrong to kill a potential being?

I honestly think that abortion anytime before birth is alright, as long as its done in the most humane way.

Why is the moment of birth your criteria? How does the baby change from just before birth to just after in terms of moral characteristics?

My view on abortion: WRONG

I think that killing a living human being is wrong.

Let me quote myself:

Your position has two main premises and a conclusion, as follows:

First premise: It is wrong to kill an innocent human being.
Second premise: A human fetus is an innocent human being.
Conclusion: Therefore it is wrong to kill a human fetus.

Assuming that we both accept the first premise, the debate hinges on the second premise. When we say that a fetus is a "human being", what do we mean? There are two main definitions, which you can add to if you wish:

- A member of "homo sapiens".
- A person (a self-conscious entity).

If you believe that a fetus is a person, well then you are clearly mistaken, for the fetus is not rational or self-conscious in any way.

If you use "human being" to mean a member of "homo sapiens", then I must point out that the species an individual belongs to is not relevant when discussing rights. Rights are judged based on the characteristics an individual has, not what grouping they belong to.

You might respond to this with the potential argument, which is as follows:

First premise: It is wrong to kill a potential human being.
Second premise: A fetus is a potential human being.
Conclusion: Therefore it is wrong to kill a fetus.

The second premise is no doubt correct, with respect to both definitions of "human". As to the first, why would a potential person have the rights of an actual person? Why would it be wrong to destroy them?

An alternative to having an abortion is child donation.
If you truly think you can not handle your child for some reason, you should be able to go through a court like process. If accepted, your child would be take care of.

Why should the woman have to give birth at all?

 

[v Angel v]

I AGREE WITH 1337! it would not kill anyone.

how is there any way to kill something and it remain "humane?"

its not like once a baby comes out of the womb during birth that all of a sudden it becomes a living thing, most of the procedures done the baby is almost or fully formed when they are killed.

would it bother everyone if they used guns?

I STRONGLY AGREE with you! Nothing is humane when killing a baby they suffer either at 1 day of pregnancy or at 3 weeks they feel pain

As for Swan I know you think abortion is "right" but it's not maybe it's the same as killing a 2 month old baby,killing is killing but since you Atheists have no idea was a bible I'll tell you one of the commandments.

Thou shall not kill--no exceptions?

Also 1 more thing you call it a parasite well let me tell you something parasites don't have souls (besides atheists) and they are not important and they could never be something important unlike a baby they can grow,learn,etc. let try being less black-hearted.
How would you like it if your mom aborted you?

 

[v Angel v]

Sorry for this accidently type a messege in the quick reply and pressed post (have 2 windows of sythe open again sorry)

 

[Shredderbeam]

I STRONGLY AGREE with you! Nothing is humane when killing a baby they suffer either at 1 day of pregnancy or at 3 weeks they feel pain

Do you know much about embryonic development? The ability to feel pain requires certain nerves to be fully developed, a section of the brain to mature, and a conscious mind present to experience the pain. At three weeks (or one day), the fetus does not possess these characteristics.

As for Swan I know you think abortion is "right" but it's not maybe it's the same as killing a 2 month old baby,killing is killing but since you Atheists have no idea was a bible I'll tell you one of the commandments.

Thou shall not kill--no exceptions?

"Thou shalt not kill" barred the killing of Jews by other Jews - it did not criminalize killing gentiles.

Also 1 more thing you call it a parasite well let me tell you something parasites don't have souls (besides atheists) and they are not important and they could never be something important unlike a baby they can grow,learn,etc. let try being less black-hearted.

If you're going to try to justify your pro-life stance on the existence of souls, you had better be able to prove their existence.

How would you like it if your mom aborted you?

It wouldn't matter, at all. I never would have existed, exactly as if my parents had never had sex.