Abortion

[pureskill]

females should be able to get an abortion no matter what age cause if they are 8 n they have a kid thats just wrong

 

[Shredderbeam]

does that make a difference?

There is a difference between an embryo and a bacteria.

Genetic makeup, Physical apperance, Opperation.

It makes a huge difference, yes - there is no difference in moral characteristics between an embryo and an amoeba.

To quote myself:

If you are deciding that a fetus should have rights because it is a potential human, then you are misunderstanding the nature of morality. Immoral acts involve doing harm to individuals here and now, causing pain to and violating the wishes of a conscious individual. The future has not happened yet, depriving somebody of potentials cannot be immoral! If I open a better business than a competitor, they lose potential money, but you could not say that I am stealing from them!

If you argue that a fetus should have rights because it is human, then you are guilty of speciesm, or arbitrarily giving one species special rights over another. Of course, if you maintain that humans are worthy of rights by virtue of their characteristics, that is a fine argument, but the fetus does not have these characteristics, and thus cannot have these rights.

I don't see how this is difficult to understand.

 

[The Word Alive]

I understand that "the mother has a right to do it"; but I've always thought of abortion essentially as murder.. I really want to see a good point of view from someone who deems abortion acceptable.

Tough topic for me :/

 

I understand that "the mother has a right to do it"; but I've always thought of abortion essentially as murder.. I really want to see a good point of view from someone who deems abortion acceptable.

Tough topic for me :/

What if giving birth to the child would mean that the child is born with a terminal illness? Is it still wrong to abort the child if it means that the child won't suffer?

 

[Juicy Juice]

I don't know. I've been brought up to think Abortion is murder. However, at the same time, I RECOGNIZE that all it is is a bunch of stem cells sitting in her uterus.

I'm kinda on the fence.

 

[The Word Alive]

What if giving birth to the child would mean that the child is born with a terminal illness? Is it still wrong to abort the child if it means that the child won't suffer?

Never thought of it that way.. but I think abortion would be acceptable in that case..

 

[Juicy Juice]

Terminal illnesses I understand. But what about cases of rape? Think about how traumatizing it would be for the female to have the baby of the man who raped her?

That can't be healthy.

 

[hashslinger]

Terminal illnesses I understand. But what about cases of rape? Think about how traumatizing it would be for the female to have the baby of the man who raped her?

That can't be healthy.

It is going to affect her life no matter what. .01 percent of abortions are from rape which i think does not justify the meens of abortion. There is always the option of adoption.

 

It is going to affect her life no matter what. .01 percent of abortions are from rape which i think does not justify the meens of abortion. There is always the option of adoption.

There is adoption yes, but why should she be forced to go through nine months of hardship?

It's her body and her choices.

 

[hashslinger]

There is adoption yes, but why should she be forced to go through nine months of hardship?

It's her body and her choices.

Carrying a baby for 9 months isnt all that bad. I may be heavy but really it is like being fat... kinda.

What is the the worst thing about it? Morning sickness?

Every human should get a chance to live. Just because you fell "woozy" or "tired" does this gie you the right to kill a child?

 

[Dziarski]

I don't know why people do abortion. It's like killing another person ... I can't understand it at all, unless it's from rape =\

 

Carrying a baby for 9 months isnt all that bad. I may be heavy but really it is like being fat... kinda.

Completely incorrect.

What is the the worst thing about it? Morning sickness?

The specific effects are irrevalant. The fact of the matter is a person shouldn't be forced to carry a embryo.

Every human should get a chance to live. Just because you fell "woozy" or "tired" does this gie you the right to kill a child?

A conceived embryo is not a human child.

 

[hashslinger]

Completely incorrect.

Proof?

The specific effects are irrevalant. The fact of the matter is a person shouldn't be forced to carry a embryo.

Why? you are forced not to kill yourself, but you excuse is... "it is her body. She can do what she wants with it." There are somethings that are morally wrong. If your mom felt that way about abortion you brains would have been sucked out in a tube and you would be currently dead. That embryo was you, you were there. you were growing. you were all there, but you just wernt conscious.

A conceived embryo is not a human child.

Yes it is. It is just in its early stage. Everything has to start somewhere. A baby starts at conception.

 

[Trash]

Proof?



Why? you are forced not to kill yourself, but you excuse is... "it is her body. She can do what she wants with it." There are somethings that are morally wrong. If your mom felt that way about abortion you brains would have been sucked out in a tube and you would be currently dead. That embryo was you, you were there. you were growing. you were all there, but you just wernt conscious.




Yes it is. It is just in its early stage. Everything has to start somewhere. A baby starts at conception.

But my mother didn't feel that way and I'm here. Since I'm here there's nothing that can be done besides killing me to get rid of me. Guilt trips don't work here buddy. Also a fetus isn't conscious until birth. They may move and such but they don't think.


Also no it's not living... until it's out of the women/girl it's just more matter than can be disposed of. Not all human life is precious... yes I do mean myself as well.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I understand that "the mother has a right to do it"; but I've always thought of abortion essentially as murder.. I really want to see a good point of view from someone who deems abortion acceptable.

Tough topic for me :/

Murder? Think about what abortion entails. What is destroyed? Can it feel pain? Does it have desires, ambitions? Can it conceive of itself?

It is going to affect her life no matter what. .01 percent of abortions are from rape which i think does not justify the meens of abortion. There is always the option of adoption.

Do you have a source for that statistic?

Every human should get a chance to live. Just because you fell "woozy" or "tired" does this gie you the right to kill a child?

Yeah, every human should get a chance to live. How do you look at a fetus and say "that's a human"?

Why? you are forced not to kill yourself, but you excuse is... "it is her body. She can do what she wants with it." There are somethings that are morally wrong. If your mom felt that way about abortion you brains would have been sucked out in a tube and you would be currently dead. That embryo was you, you were there. you were growing. you were all there, but you just wernt conscious.

Yes, and it would be exactly the same effect if his parents did not have sex.

Yes it is. It is just in its early stage. Everything has to start somewhere. A baby starts at conception.

A sperm and egg do not suddenly transform into a baby - they very gradually become one.

 

[hashslinger]

Murder? Think about what abortion entails. What is destroyed? Can it feel pain? Does it have desires, ambitions? Can it conceive of itself?

1. What is destroyed? Potential life.
2. Does it have desires, ambitions? Can it conceive of itself? It will. Does a person in a coma have any less right to live?

Do you have a source for that statistic?

•A recent Justice Dept. report returned a result of 170,000 completed rapes plus 140,000 attempted rapes. Nat. Crime Victim Report, US Justice Dept. Aug. 95, R. Bachman
And how many pregnancies result?
•About 1 or 2 for each 1000. This translates into an overall total of 170 to 340 assault rape pregnancies a year in the entire United States.
•A study of 1,000 rape victims, who were treated medically right after the rape, reported no pregnancies. L. Kuchera, "Postcoital Contraception with Diethylstilbestrol," JAMA, October 25, 1971
•In another series of 117 assault rape victims, of whom only 17 were given hormone treatment after the attack, none became pregnant. Everett & Jimerson, "The Rape Victim," 237 OB & GYN, vol. 50, no. 1, July 1977, pp. 88-90
Only one or two out of 1000? Please explain.
There are about 100 million women in the United States old enough to be at risk for assault rape. Let’s use a figure of 200,000 forcible rapes every year. The studies available agree that there are no more than two pregnancies per 1,000 assault rapes.
So much for the numbers. Let’s look at it from another angle and see if that figure makes sense.
•Of these 200,000 women who were raped, one-third were either too old or too young to get pregnant. That leaves 133,000 at risk of pregnancy.
•A woman is capable of being fertilized only three days out of her 30-day month. So divide 133,000 by 10, and 13,300 women remain.
•One-fourth of all women in the United States of child-bearing age have been sterilized. That drops the figure to 10,000.
•Only half of the assailants penetrate her body and/or deposit sperm. Cut it in half again. We are own to 5,000.
•Fifteen percent of men are sterile; that drops the figure to 4,250. Fifteen percent of non-surgically sterilized women are naturally sterile. That reduces the number to 3,600.
•Another 15% are on the pill and/or are already pregnant. Now the figure is 3,070. Now factor in something that all adults know. It takes from five to ten months for an average couple to achieve a pregnancy. Using the smaller figure, to be conservative, divide the 3,000 figure by 5, and the number drops to about 600.

Yeah, every human should get a chance to live. How do you look at a fetus and say "that's a human"?

Dictionary.com-

Human- Having the form of a human.

It has the form of a human.

Yes, and it would be exactly the same effect if his parents did not have sex.

Yes, but they did have sex. As a result of this a baby was formed. Killing the baby would be murder. Killing you 10 minutes after you were born would also be like your parents not having sex.

A sperm and egg do not suddenly transform into a baby - they very gradually become one.

Does this seem right? http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/PBA_Images/PBA_Images_Heathers_Place.htm

 

[Swan]

Human- Having the form of a human.

It has the form of a human.

So? Gorillas have a humanoid form, but I bet you don't care too much about them.

Yes, but they did have sex. As a result of this a baby was formed. Killing the baby would be murder. Killing you 10 minutes after you were born would also be like your parents not having sex.

Agreed, and?

Does this seem right? http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/PBA_Images/PBA_Images_Heathers_Place.htm

Sure. I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[Mega_JonixX]

Abortion is way better than that you get a child you won't be able to take care of, so my opinion is it's your boddy, do whatever you like it's your choice.

 

[Shredderbeam]

1. What is destroyed? Potential life.
2. Does it have desires, ambitions? Can it conceive of itself? It will. Does a person in a coma have any less right to live?

Can you tell me why destroying a potential human life is morally wrong?

•A recent Justice Dept. report returned a result of 170,000 completed rapes plus 140,000 attempted rapes. Nat. Crime Victim Report, US Justice Dept. Aug. 95, R. Bachman
And how many pregnancies result?
•About 1 or 2 for each 1000. This translates into an overall total of 170 to 340 assault rape pregnancies a year in the entire United States.
•A study of 1,000 rape victims, who were treated medically right after the rape, reported no pregnancies. L. Kuchera, "Postcoital Contraception with Diethylstilbestrol," JAMA, October 25, 1971
•In another series of 117 assault rape victims, of whom only 17 were given hormone treatment after the attack, none became pregnant. Everett & Jimerson, "The Rape Victim," 237 OB & GYN, vol. 50, no. 1, July 1977, pp. 88-90
Only one or two out of 1000? Please explain.
There are about 100 million women in the United States old enough to be at risk for assault rape. Let’s use a figure of 200,000 forcible rapes every year. The studies available agree that there are no more than two pregnancies per 1,000 assault rapes.
So much for the numbers. Let’s look at it from another angle and see if that figure makes sense.
•Of these 200,000 women who were raped, one-third were either too old or too young to get pregnant. That leaves 133,000 at risk of pregnancy.
•A woman is capable of being fertilized only three days out of her 30-day month. So divide 133,000 by 10, and 13,300 women remain.
•One-fourth of all women in the United States of child-bearing age have been sterilized. That drops the figure to 10,000.
•Only half of the assailants penetrate her body and/or deposit sperm. Cut it in half again. We are own to 5,000.
•Fifteen percent of men are sterile; that drops the figure to 4,250. Fifteen percent of non-surgically sterilized women are naturally sterile. That reduces the number to 3,600.
•Another 15% are on the pill and/or are already pregnant. Now the figure is 3,070. Now factor in something that all adults know. It takes from five to ten months for an average couple to achieve a pregnancy. Using the smaller figure, to be conservative, divide the 3,000 figure by 5, and the number drops to about 600.[/quote]

600 pregnancies?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=e8c8e1b338f72995390804bb633eee57

Please stop taking your sources from hard-line Christian websites. They tend to be wrong.

Dictionary.com-

Human- Having the form of a human.



It has the form of a human.

Ok, and when I say "human", I mean:

• S: (adj) human (characteristic of humanity) "human nature"

I am not referring to one's membership in a biological species, I am talking about the qualities that make us "human".

Yes, but they did have sex. As a result of this a baby was formed. Killing the baby would be murder. Killing you 10 minutes after you were born would also be like your parents not having sex.

Not really. Killing me 10 minutes after I was born would cause me considerable pain and distress.

Does this seem right? http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/PBA_Images/PBA_Images_Heathers_Place.htm

Yes, that looks to be an accurate description - but most abortions occur before the two month period:

http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/gestation.asp

 

[hashslinger]

OK first I dont get my data from christian sites. I got it from the 2nd link in google. the first and the second just said 1%. Do you think this because of the information I add?

If I look at evey link in google I can also find statistics I want.

Where is your proof that a pre-born baby cant feel pain?