Pirating? Wrong or Right?

[NubLakes]

That's the misconception everyone seems to have about pirating. People believe that large companies will not suffer from their software or other things being pirated, but that is not the case. More and more people are believing in the same idea, slowly hurting companies.

I'm somewhat for pirating, and somewhat against it. People worked hard for the software you use, free or not. Think about it like this: You write software, one of the most widely used softwares, which you worked very hard for. The company you work for decides to sell the program for a lot of money. Sure, you'll get some buyers. But you'll see so many people are using your software without paying. Doesn't that make you mad, that some kid is using your work for free? The one that you worked so hard to create?

I'm also for Pirating because I support free software. People shouldn't need to pay for things that they need to use. It's quite silly.

What he said, even though i download my music on limewire. maybe i should start buying them on itunes

 

[deadzone]

I think that pirating is OK, to a certain extent. Personally, I leech (yes, I admit it ) when downloading a movie or song, for two reasons -

1) (obviously) I don't want to get caught
2) I hope to slow pirating down a bit (1 seed isn't much, but I'm guessing there's tons of people like me)

If there's a movie with 10 seeds and 500 leechers, not many people will want to download it, because it'd be slow (Whereas if the leechers seeded, it'd be the complete opposite). So this stops some people from downloading the movie (therefore keeping them from stealing too much from the people who made the movie).

Another thing with pirating - I saw somebody mention paying $40k to fill an 80gb iPod up. The question is, if you couldn't pirate, would you really spend $40k to fill it up? Probably not. Doubt you'd spend more than a hundred or two. So, technically, you're not causing a company to lose too much money off of you pirating, since you wouldn't buy it anyway. (Kind of Off-topic but...Why would you want 40k songs on your iPod anyway, it'd take like a week straight just to listen to all of your songs I, myself, just keep around 150 songs on my 8GB iPod Touch, they keep me occupied)

And one more point... To those that say 'They have enough money anyway'. Well then how would you feel if pirating was made legal? Producers of software, movies, music, etc. wouldn't make anything because there wouldn't be any point - Nobody would actually buy the stuff, and the world would go into chaos (Think - No OSes, except something like Linux, few apps, except for some freeware, but even that might be gone. Why? Because people who make freeware and such usually only do so so they can get some experience in programming. Why do they want experience in programming? So they can eventually make something bigger and better that they could sell. And that motivation would be gone).

But, meh, I'm just a 13 yr old kid, what do I know =|

I don't really agree with you but at the same time I do I agree at the last paragraph you wrote. Something I would just like to add the bigger ipods etc. aren't meant for just songs, there meant for videos, games and other things which obviously take up far more space than a little 3-8mb song.

TO DUDE WITH LONG ESSAY>>>

umm the big selling point on iPods is accesories and storage room. they always advertise the size of the HDD and the ammount of songs it hold.

personally i like to keep a VERY large song collection so i always have something i havent heard. I stick to main bands but sometimes i like to try new genres. thats why i like lots of memory because it fills up too quick and i want variety

I doubt you have 40k songs I would also doubt that you have anywhere near it. AS I have only meant a few people who own a great deal of songs (40k+) including myself and they all like myself listen to nearly every genre and have been collecting new and old songs since they were in kindergarten. But never the less, read above for the actual reason for such big ipods etc.

They have commercial value, yes, but they still cannot be owned.



Whether or not there would be any incentive to create ideas is irrelevant (there would still be incentive).



Stealing: Actively taking property from the artist.
Pirating: Obtaining a free copy of something I would have paid for otherwise.

There is a world of difference. They do not have a moral right to the money in my pocket that I might have paid them - they have a right only to that money which they already have.



I am not trying to say that they could survive if pirating was legalized - a lot probably wouldn't. That, however, is irrelevant. Whether or not they survive does not influence whether my pirating is stealing.

You people infuriate me with all this ignorance. guess what that copy of something is? property which has value to the owner, guess what stealing means? taking property from an owner, therefor it is stealing, it may not be directly worded but if you can not come to realize this then I do believe you need to be taken from this earth because a retarded child has enough intellect to figure that out.

 

[JoeyFeduka]

Pirating is TOTALLY wrong, Shredder could not be more wrong. If someone makes a song, and you like it, is it not worth buying? Let's say it was made illegal to copyright songs and other ideas, people would stop making them. And if people stopped making them, what are you going to do? Make your own songs? I think not.

 

[O Glitch O]

I think its wrong but, what the hell why not do it...

 

[Shredderbeam]

You people infuriate me with all this ignorance. guess what that copy of something is? property which has value to the owner, guess what stealing means? taking property from an owner, therefor it is stealing, it may not be directly worded but if you can not come to realize this then I do believe you need to be taken from this earth because a retarded child has enough intellect to figure that out.

Guess what? You don't automatically own copies of your property. If I painted a wonderful painting, and somebody copied it, I don't own that copy. If I make a fantastic CD, and people make copies, I don't automatically own that copy.

You have yet to explain how ideas/concepts can be owned (note that intellectual ownership is not justified by the artist's need for the money, or whether they get upset over the "pirating").

Pirating is TOTALLY wrong, Shredder could not be more wrong. If someone makes a song, and you like it, is it not worth buying? Let's say it was made illegal to copyright songs and other ideas, people would stop making them. And if people stopped making them, what are you going to do? Make your own songs? I think not.

Are you arguing for intellectual property rights based upon the fact that it makes the music industry more active? That is completely irrelevant. Ownership laws are based upon logic and natural law - they are not mixed and matched to produce the most pleasant music scene for you.

 

[jaysimons]

I Think it could go both ways :S

 

[deadzone]

Guess what? You don't automatically own copies of your property. If I painted a wonderful painting, and somebody copied it, I don't own that copy. If I make a fantastic CD, and people make copies, I don't automatically own that copy.

You have yet to explain how ideas/concepts can be owned (note that intellectual ownership is not justified by the artist's need for the money, or whether they get upset over the "pirating").



Are you arguing for intellectual property rights based upon the fact that it makes the music industry more active? That is completely irrelevant. Ownership laws are based upon logic and natural law - they are not mixed and matched to produce the most pleasant music scene for you.

You own the original copy though do you not? and copyright laws protect this, and allow you to sell people the "copies" and there copyright laws then do the same to them so unless you BUY it you do not own it therefore it is stolen. Also don't even say your little idealistic ways of how laws aren't bound etc. because that is simply a ploy to defend something you can't win against.

 

[Xix]

You don't have to own it thru contracts >.<

 

[lukestas]

Pirating is the best thing since the internet started. All the free things you can want. FOR FREEEEE. lol I've been pirating for years got about 7 terabyte of movies alone from it. I love movies! lol

 

[Shredderbeam]

You own the original copy though do you not? and copyright laws protect this, and allow you to sell people the "copies" and there copyright laws then do the same to them so unless you BUY it you do not own it therefore it is stolen. Also don't even say your little idealistic ways of how laws aren't bound etc. because that is simply a ploy to defend something you can't win against.

The artist owns the original copy, yes. However, they do not own copies that they sell (transfer ownership) to another person.

 

[xXxALLANxXx]

Its right until you get caught. Companies charge an arm and leg for shit thats not even worth it.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Its right until you get caught. Companies charge an arm and leg for shit thats not even worth it.

How would being discovered by the company suddenly make it wrong?

 

[deadzone]

The artist owns the original copy, yes. However, they do not own copies that they sell (transfer ownership) to another person.

The artist owns the original copy, you are right, they then sell out to a record company which mass produces it and then sells it on a large scale and gives the band a sum of the profits, therefore the only people at this time that own it are the artists themselves and the record company right? Then the copyright laws that are enforced when a record company sells the albums, protects it from being shared to the world. you yourself the person who bought the album is entitled to the songs and copies you make of the songs no one else, therefore with that in mind it is stealing if you take songs in which you personally did not pay for.

 

[Shredderbeam]

The artist owns the original copy, you are right, they then sell out to a record company which mass produces it and then sells it on a large scale and gives the band a sum of the profits, therefore the only people at this time that own it are the artists themselves and the record company right?

No, all of the people who purchase the album also own that album. If they want to distribute it across the internet for free, they can, as that copy is theirs.

The copyright laws are ridiculous. They aim to prevent people who already own copies of the album from distributing them. It is an attempt to control the property of others.

 

[The Fat Controller]

The idea is that you acquire a license to use/view the media you buy yourself, rather than actually buying right to own that media.

It's bullshit. The pro-piracy rap hits the nail on the head:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNS7IqmZBbA

 

[Mistajack88]

Would you really want to go to the mall and buy a porno thats about 20$ and then walk around with it and then go home where anyone who comes over can probably find it and see it, no. Thats why you pirate porn.

 

[hybanks2000]

i think pirating is bad but i think its stupid when rappers who claim to be thugs and gangbangers tell us that pirating is wrong

 

[Ballin Boi]

Downright wrong...

 

[dorianking]

Buying pirated material is not wrong but doing the Pirating itself is, I believe.

 

[Ballin Boi]

All of it is wrong, how is it right to pirate something it is stealing!?