Racism

[TJ]

Ok, 2 questions for yall :

1) Is racism RIGHT?
2) If so , WHY?


we have a racist in our class that believe that Mexicans shouldnt come to the U.S and i told him that that is wrong. They are trying to protect there families and survive, and why the hell shouldnt they be able to come over here? I believe, that if I had a family and they were dieing because of persecution then i would do everything in my power to find a new place to live or fight the government.

the only thing i dont like is that we have a bunch of jobs going from our country to mexico, and we are being replaced.


But NO, I AM NOT RACIST. Racism is defined as : According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

From this site : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racist#Legal_definition


So please leave your responses.

Thanks

 

[Ehh]

1. It is not right
2. It is wrong because you shouldn't separate people because of their skin color / etc.

Illegal immigration is a different thing though.

 

[TJ]

yes illegal is but like i said, if they are trying to escape persecution, hunger or something that will kill them why not do it?

 

[A_S_A]

Do you want to get hate crime into this?

of course racism is wrong,

If you think you should be treated differently because of your color you are simply stupid. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Racism is not wrong. Aggression is wrong.

If you physically injure another person regardless of their race, or any other factor, then that is aggression. Aggression is wrong.

But freedom of speech and freedom of thought includes the freedom to draw your own lines in the sand, and put people in categories. You should not conform to the politically correct pseudo religion touted by the media. It is a form of cultural suppression. If you forget your cultural roots then you will find yourselves disconnected from your own heritage. Ashamed even, when you should be proud.

While Europeans always had their differences, all in all, they/we did invent 99% of the world's technology. European heritage is something to be proud of.

 

[shakaka]

I agree with sythe (which is unusual) about this.

I believe you have the right to not like a certain group of people, as long as you are not doing anything to harm them. It can go any way. Mexicans, blacks, whites, etc.. all have the right to voice what they believe. But its when they push it and get violent that its wrong.

 

[Dorito]

You are getting racism and illegal immigration mixed up. Is he saying that because they are Mexican they shouldn't come, but any other race is fine in his eyes to come through illegal immigration. Or is he saying illegal immigration is wrong no matter what the race, and Mexican just happened to be an example of how he hates illegal immigration? They are two very different views.

Racism is not wrong. Aggression is wrong.

So you're saying to think you are superior to someone else, just based on religion, ethnic background, or color, is not wrong as long as aggression is not involved in it?

 

[shakaka]

You are free to think what you want. It may be morally wrong in your opinion, but everybody has different morals. For me, I don't think it is wrong. No, I am not a racist, but I believe that people have the right to be.

For example:

What I don't get is how some people are all for gay pride, then get mad at the people who say its wrong to be gay. I believe you have the right to protest and stand up for your right to be gay, but don't get mad when people counter-act your views and stand up for what they believe.

If that sounded like I was calling you gay, I didn't mean it like that just an example.

 

So you're saying to think you are superior to someone else, just based on religion, ethnic background, or color, is not wrong as long as aggression is not involved in it?

Yes that is the jist of it.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Ok, 2 questions for yall :

1) Is racism RIGHT?
2) If so , WHY?


we have a racist in our class that believe that Mexicans shouldnt come to the U.S and i told him that that is wrong. They are trying to protect there families and survive, and why the hell shouldnt they be able to come over here? I believe, that if I had a family and they were dieing because of persecution then i would do everything in my power to find a new place to live or fight the government.

the only thing i dont like is that we have a bunch of jobs going from our country to mexico, and we are being replaced.


But NO, I AM NOT RACIST. Racism is defined as : According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

From this site : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racist#Legal_definition


So please leave your responses.

Thanks

The Mexicans aren't stealing our jobs, unless you work as a grunt worker on an orange farm.

Even so, if corporations are hiring people who will work for less over you, that's competition. If you can't compete, you can't expect to keep your job.

You should not conform to the politically correct pseudo religion touted by the media.

I agree with that.

If you forget your cultural roots then you will find yourselves disconnected from your own heritage. Ashamed even, when you should be proud.

I don't understand. Why should you be proud of your ancestors? What relevance do they have to your current life?

I hold in high esteem intelligent, hard-working people, who, demographically, at least, seem to be people from Asia, India, and Europe. I mean, you hardly ever see Indians or Asians in the U.S. Army, which is primarily composed of lower-class people.

Yet, it also disgusts me when I see lower-class people, spending their energy working from paycheck to paycheck. I want to shake them, and say, "Educate yourself! Get off your lazy ass, and accomplish something!"

 

[Shawn_]

Racism is not wrong. Aggression is wrong.

If you physically injure another person regardless of their race, or any other factor, then that is aggression. Aggression is wrong.

But freedom of speech and freedom of thought includes the freedom to draw your own lines in the sand, and put people in categories. You should not conform to the politically correct pseudo religion touted by the media. It is a form of cultural suppression. If you forget your cultural roots then you will find yourselves disconnected from your own heritage. Ashamed even, when you should be proud.

While Europeans always had their differences, all in all, they/we did invent 99% of the world's technology. European heritage is something to be proud of.

Just because it's covered in freedom of speech doesn't make it right. People are entitled to their own opinions, but that doesn't make them morally right. Say, for example, if someone believes that brutally murdering and mutilating people is right, and preaches this, but does not commit any crimes. They are legally covered under freedom of speech, however they are not morally and ethically right to preach such things.

Cultural suppression? I do believe that you'll admit that our ancestors made mistakes, and that all past and future generations will also fall victim to make mistakes. We don't have to completely abandon our cultural roots to disagree with what we deem a "mistake" our ancestors made. You can be proud of your heritage without agreeing with every little thing they did. Does a German have to agree with the teaching of hitler to not be in conflict with his/her heritage?

 

[TJ]

im glad to see that everyone has a good and valid explanation for what they picked. this is how i see it in my eyes : Racism is wrong. You shouldnt hate a whole race because of there color, background or whatever. Now if you hate a person that is mexican (i used mexican because that seems to be the most hated people among the day at this moment, nothing against them) you shouldnt hate the whole race because of that one person. you should just hate them. Thats like around my area, my dad has a bad reputation. so whenever they see our last name, they always assume that that person is bad. i ran into this last summer, when i was hanging out with my friend. there dad found out my last name and told me to leave, just because my dad had a bad repuation. i know that my story isnt as bad as racism, but i think it goes along with what im saying, as you cant judge all of people, with just knowing the 1 person in the group.

hopefully this didnt sound bad?

 

[speljohan]

Racism isn't about hating. It's about defining people as a race. I'm pretty sure most people do this, and i'm one of them.

 

[Syko_Chicken]

My opinion on racism,

Is it wrong? No, let people think what they want to think about you/your minority that's their opinion they are allowed a valid opinion as to if your "inferior" in their eyes. Think of it this way we are all based around the same species it's just that some of us are more talented at different things then others. Incase I'm just rambling on the previous statements in a nutshell are as follows, Racism wrong? No, we all have different opinions but are all the same species just some people are more talented then others.

Syko_Chicken

 

[The_Ace]

Quote: the only thing i dont like is that we have a bunch of jobs going from our country to mexico, and we are being replaced.


Not saying your racists, but you can't blame the mexicans for taking "our" jobs. The reason factories are moving to mexico is because the owners purposely move them their because they don't have to pay them as much thus they are making more money. So you really should blame factory owners for taking away the working class's jobs, not mexicans.

 

[TJ]

Quote: the only thing i dont like is that we have a bunch of jobs going from our country to mexico, and we are being replaced.


Not saying your racists, but you can't blame the mexicans for taking "our" jobs. The reason factories are moving to mexico is because the owners purposely move them their because they don't have to pay them as much thus they are making more money. So you really should blame factory owners for taking away the working class's jobs, not mexicans.

Yes i know this, i am just saying that most of our jobs are going to mexico, nothing against mexicans

 

[weedman]

Ok maybe centuries ago racism had a meaning. But now it is just one bonehead trying to be cool.

 

[TJ]

Racism isn't about hating. It's about defining people as a race. I'm pretty sure most people do this, and i'm one of them.

kinda like your pic in your sig?

 

[TJ]

and freedom of speech is great in america. you can say and think whatever you want, as long is it dont cause any panic or hurt anyones career. My point of racism is when it goes to far, like when people started lynchings against black's in the early 1900's. thats when it goes to far.

 

[hansol]

i live in germny and i hope you remeber germanies history!
I become so angry when i read this shit of these racists!!!!!!!!e.g.speljohan
who do you think you are?