[Pardon] Reduce the time for pardons!

Hello everyone,

I recently thought of an idea that relates to pardons.

Currently the pardon thread is once every 6 months which would mean a maximum of 2 pardons every year.

My suggestion would be why not make it once every 3 months. This would allow users to pardon a maximum of 4 pardons every year which would give more people an incentive to get back onto Sythe.

Kind regards,
Seraphic

 

No support. I'd rather have those who scam or ban evader be away for a longer period of time and actually forget about Sythe for a while. Otherwise they'd miss the community and feel like the pardon system is too much hassle so they'd go ban evading. I think the period of 6 months is perfectly fine and shouldn't be changed.

 

No support. I'd rather have those who scam or ban evader be away for a longer period of time and actually forget about Sythe for a while. Otherwise they'd miss the community and feel like the pardon system is too much hassle so they'd go ban evading. I think the period of 6 months is perfectly fine and shouldn't be changed.

Your just annoyed because you want more people to ban evade so that you can report them. Why would you not support so that you can encourage ban evading. That shouldn't necessarily be the case. Reducing the amount of time for users to pardon would allow Sythe to receive more active members purely because if someone can pardon 4 times a year the chance of them being successful is a greater number. People are going to forget about Sythe during their ban time anyway and ban evading will just make their pardon get denied even more.

 

[jackthehackm8]

may this be the most retarded post i've seen on sythe. its your fault you got banned, deal with it. same applies to real life, you get a 10 year sentence for rape, then you serve that shit no questions asked unless you want a longer sentence. either way this opens up more scammers to sythe, clearly didn't think of the negatives while creating this post, very greedy.

 

may this be the most retarded post i've seen on sythe. its your fault you got banned, deal with it. same applies to real life, you get a 10 year sentence for rape, then you serve that shit no questions asked unless you want a longer sentence. either way this opens up more scammers to sythe, clearly didn't think of the negatives while creating this post, very greedy.

I didn't say it wasn't my fault I got banned on Sythe. I am unbanned now so what is your point. You're acting aggressively just because you don't think people like me should be unbanned. The point is I don't know why you are so annoyed that I am unbanned. You get a 10 year sentence for rape in the US and in the UK you might get a 5 year sentence. The laws differ in different countries. If we apply your logic then you're effectively saying that Lithuanian's should get a pardon every 1 month and US citizens should get a pardon every year. This doesn't open up more scammers to Sythe and yes I did think of the negatives. You can call me greedy all you want but scammers have to repay their debts before they're allowed on Sythe.

Rather than disagree because you hate me, actually make some constructive criticism.

 

[jackthehackm8]

I didn't say it wasn't my fault I got banned on Sythe. I am unbanned now so what is your point. You're acting aggressively just because you don't think people like me should be unbanned. The point is I don't know why you are so annoyed that I am unbanned. You get a 10 year sentence for rape in the US and in the UK you might get a 5 year sentence. The laws differ in different countries. If we apply your logic then you're effectively saying that Lithuanian's should get a pardon every 1 month and US citizens should get a pardon every year. This doesn't open up more scammers to Sythe and yes I did think of the negatives. You can call me greedy all you want but scammers have to repay their debts before they're allowed on Sythe.

Rather than disagree because you hate me, actually make some constructive criticism.

firstly, i don't even know you, you joined yesterday apparently. Were you a scammer? an evader? I don't know, nor do I actually care. If you want some constructive critism, how about you make a suggestion that actually benefits the community, rather than harms it? In no case can I see a user being pardon for their scams/blackhat/retardism and coming back actually helping the community. You were just pardoned(taken from context), so you're making this suggestion in response to how long your pardon took yes?

 

firstly, i don't even know you, you joined yesterday apparently. Were you a scammer? an evader? I don't know, nor do I actually care. If you want some constructive critism, how about you make a suggestion that actually benefits the community, rather than harms it? In no case can I see a user being pardon for their scams/blackhat/retardism and coming back actually helping the community. You were just pardoned(taken from context), so you're making this suggestion in response to how long your pardon took yes?

I'm not making a suggestion on how long MY pardon took. If you want to see my pardon I'd be more than willing to link you it. A pardon is there TO GET A PERSON UNBANNED FOR THEIR WRONGDOINGS. Shortening the length of it would allow people to pardon quicker and get their account back. Why would someone pay money to victims they've scammed in order to be unbanned just to scam again. If a user pardons they are accepting their wrongdoings and coming back to the site in a positive matter.

 

Your just annoyed because you want more people to ban evade so that you can report them. Why would you not support so that you can encourage ban evading. That shouldn't necessarily be the case. Reducing the amount of time for users to pardon would allow Sythe to receive more active members purely because if someone can pardon 4 times a year the chance of them being successful is a greater number. People are going to forget about Sythe during their ban time anyway and ban evading will just make their pardon get denied even more.

Lol some great reasoning there. Yes please everyone, keep the ban evading up so I can continue reporting y'all because I absolutely dig that. No, I stand by my statement and I actually do disagree with you that the time to pardon should take 6 months. After all it's a suggestion from you, which is welcome to be suggested, but therefore gives us the right to criticize your suggestion.

 

[jackthehackm8]

I'm not making a suggestion on how long MY pardon took. If you want to see my pardon I'd be more than willing to link you it. A pardon is there TO GET A PERSON UNBANNED FOR THEIR WRONGDOINGS. Shortening the length of it would allow people to pardon quicker and get their account back. Why would someone pay money to victims they've scammed in order to be unbanned just to scam again. If a user pardons they are accepting their wrongdoings and coming back to the site in a positive matter.

so whats the point in this suggestion? Why would someone need their account quicker? I'm certain they can wait the 6 month period, its not even as bad as being permanently banned. Like we both stated, they should face the punishment. We have a PR team that helps brings in new community members, so we don't really lack any reason that points towards having a lack of members if that ever comes up, even if that team is a bit useless. Also let me point out again,

In no case can I see a user being pardon for their scams/blackhat/retardism and coming back actually helping the community.

 

Lol some great reasoning there. Yes please everyone, keep the ban evading up so I can continue reporting y'all because I absolutely dig that. No, I stand by my statement and I actually do disagree with you that the time to pardon should take 6 months. After all it's a suggestion from you, which is welcome to be suggested, but therefore gives us the right to criticize your suggestion.

I do give anyone the right to criticise my suggestion and you may disagree with me but the point still stands that you are only really here to keep the pardon time to 6 months so people can ban evade and you can report them making it harder to appeal. Equally I can criticise your argument and say that if it is reduced to 3 months you would have to put a lot more research into your reports and that would increase your workload. No doubt even if you were to stop reporting because the pardon time would be reduced there would still be more people taking your role up.

 

[jackthehackm8]

I do give anyone the right to criticise my suggestion and you may disagree with me but the point still stands that you are only really here to keep the pardon time to 6 months so people can ban evade and you can report them making it harder to appeal. Equally I can criticise your argument and say that if it is reduced to 3 months you would have to put a lot more research into your reports and that would increase your workload. No doubt even if you were to stop reporting because the pardon time would be reduced there would still be more people taking your role up.

no idea why you're making reporting sound like a bad thing, it keeps any scammers and evaders out of this community(bear in mind SOME people are both of these). Afaik people don't get paid to report evaders on sythe, otherwise sythe would be my second job.

 

so whats the point in this suggestion? Why would someone need their account quicker? I'm certain they can wait the 6 month period, its not even as bad as being permanently banned. Like we both stated, they should face the punishment. We have a PR team that helps brings in new community members, so we don't really lack any reason that points towards having a lack of members if that ever comes up, even if that team is a bit useless. Also let me point out again,

Your point is that "you" don't see anyone who has committed blackhat/scams doing good to the community but there are plenty of people who have and who still do to this day. People don't get banned for "retardism" so thats obviously you trying to be clever but just acting as a troll. The PR department can bring in new people but people being able to pardon quicker would bring in even more people than the PR department can bring in. May I remind you that every ban that happens in the report section is permanent unless appealed or pardoned. I am not seeing your point in which a "pardon ban" is better than a "permanent ban". Second of all not everyone gets their account back in the original 6 month period. Some have to wait a year and some even have to wait 2 years. I'm sure people like A broken man and Taurine would agree with me that this is a brilliant suggestion. It would allow legitimate people like these to get back into the Sythe community quicker.

 

no idea why you're making reporting sound like a bad thing, it keeps any scammers and evaders out of this community(bear in mind SOME people are both of these). Afaik people don't get paid to report evaders on sythe, otherwise sythe would be my second job.

I never said reporting was a bad thing. You can read my response to your original comment down below if you want to speak further.

 

but the point still stands that you are only really here to keep the pardon time to 6 months so people can ban evade and you can report them making it harder to appeal

Why would I ever do so? You're free to have your own opinion regarding this but it isn't a "point" or anything. The only one who sides by you is yourself so far. Is this suggestion made to make my work harder or anything? I highly doubt so. You're simply suggesting a decrease in the time people are allowed to pardon their bans. This suggestion I disagree with because I don't think it's enough time for people to realise what they have done wrong. I'm not sure why you're taking the piss on me because after all I do respect everyone who is reporting ban evaders and eventually I'd never wish to take over @Yousuckv2's place who has reported more users than I've probably ever seen around on Sythe. After all I might point you towards this suggestion: Pardon Changes
This suggestion was made in point 4 by Dunworry and partially already disagreed with in the final comment.

 

Why would I ever do so? You're free to have your own opinion regarding this but it isn't a "point" or anything. The only one who sides by you is yourself so far. Is this suggestion made to make my work harder or anything? I highly doubt so. You're simply suggesting a decrease in the time people are allowed to pardon their bans. This suggestion I disagree with because I don't think it's enough time for people to realise what they have done wrong. I'm not sure why you're taking the piss on me because after all I do respect everyone who is reporting ban evaders and eventually I'd never wish to take over @Yousuckv2's place who has reported more users than I've probably ever seen around on Sythe. After all I might point you towards this suggestion: Pardon Changes
This suggestion was made in point 4 by Dunworry and partially already disagreed with in the final comment.

Oh thank you for this. I didn't research into this before I made this post. I understand your point fully and I am not attempting to take the piss out of you because you report ban evaders on a daily basis but instead my main point was that it would make work more difficult for you because if pardons would be done every 3 months then more and more people would be pardoning every week or every day for that matter. This would make it a lot harder for people like yourself to figure out if someone is ban evading or if they have pardoned for a previous offence they have committed. I understand if you felt like people would not have realised their wrongdoings if they'd have done pardon's every 3 months but please explain to me more on how people would understand what they'd have done wrong every 3 months compared to every 6 months. Even if the pardon system was voted upon every 4 months then why would this still not be enough time for people to realise and understand their wrongdoings?

 

[jackthehackm8]

Oh thank you for this. I didn't research into this before I made this post. I understand your point fully and I am not attempting to take the piss out of you because you report ban evaders on a daily basis but instead my main point was that it would make work more difficult for you because if pardons would be done every 3 months then more and more people would be pardoning every week or every day for that matter. This would make it a lot harder for people like yourself to figure out if someone is ban evading or if they have pardoned for a previous offence they have committed. I understand if you felt like people would not have realised their wrongdoings if they'd have done pardon's every 3 months but please explain to me more on how people would understand what they'd have done wrong every 3 months compared to every 6 months. Even if the pardon system was voted upon every 4 months then why would this still not be enough time for people to realise and understand their wrongdoings?

why scam or evade in the 1st place

 

I feel as if pardon system does need changes even though are opinions are being ignored by staff at current moment or silent and closed like my thread,

But sadly this is not the best solution at moment,

the current pardons are taking 4 weeks to be dealt with as is. This would just cos more issues and as much as I would love this to be brought in because I could pardon again sooner, This isn't the solution.

@Seraphic It's a good suggestion but with the current problem involving the pardon system, I don't believe it's right solution as of this moment. If the pardon system that we currently have is in voting weren't taking such a long time period I would truly love this and support this idea. I do feel as if should be implanted, but sadly with other circumstances that outline above, I don't think it can work till other problems are tackled.

 

why scam or evade in the 1st place

I don't know ask members who ban evade/scam in the first place.

 

I feel as if pardon system does need changes even though are opinions are being ignored by staff at current moment or silent and closed like my thread,

But sadly this is not the best solution at moment,

the current pardons are taking 4 weeks to be dealt with as is. This would just cos more issues and as much as I would love this to be brought in because I could pardon again sooner, This isn't the solution.

@Seraphic It's a good suggestion but with the current problem involving the pardon system, I don't believe it's right solution as of this moment. If the pardon that the currently in voting weren't taking such a long time period I would truly love and support this idea. I do feel as if should be implanted, but sadly with other circumstances that outline above, I don't think it can work till other problems are tackled.

Thats what I mean but hopefully once other problems are tackled this can be put in place and allow you to be free'd from your DNT rank. There is a massive issue with threads being closed and this is something me, scotty and Sonia are trying to get rid of.

Once other issues are dealt with and threads stopped being closed then we could bring this in to help people with a DNT rank get rid of it. Personally I don't see a reason to having the DNT rank if you don't have any debts.

 

Thats what I mean but hopefully once other problems are tackled this can be put in place and allow you to be free'd from your DNT rank. There is a massive issue with threads being closed and this is something me, scotty and Sonia are trying to get rid of.

Once other issues are dealt with and threads stopped being closed then we could bring this in to help people with a DNT rank get rid of it. Personally I don't see a reason to having the DNT rank if you don't have any debts.

I could write paragraphs why my DNT is unfair but sadly that does not point of this thread but what I would like to see is the amount of staff member's need to vote on a thread changed to 8 or 7 and voting for pass to be changed to 51% instead of 60%. This would make more logical sense. when you do the maths for the reducing of votes. and a majority of staff voting for pardon.

but I wouldn't worry about it, from what I've been informed from my previous thread's is that the staff are currently working on it. So we will have to wait and see the outcome.

I just don't feel it's fair to keep waiting longer for their pardon's and than adding more into it, I believe this is a suggestion before it time.