[Pardon] Reduce the time for pardons!

I could write paragraphs why my DNT is unfair but sadly that does not point of this thread but what I would like to see is the amount of staff member's need to vote on a thread changed to 8 or 7 and voting for pass to be changed to 51% instead of 60%. This would make more logical sense. when you do the maths for the reducing of votes. and a majority of staff voting for pardon.

but I wouldn't worry about it, from what I've been informed from my previous thread's is that the staff are currently working on it. So we will have to wait and see the outcome.

I just don't feel it's fair to keep waiting longer for their pardon's and than adding more into it, I believe this is a suggestion before it time.

Indeed, it could always be used for a future argument to determine whether or not people can get their DNT's removed quicker.

 

[jackthehackm8]

Indeed, it could always be used for a future argument to determine whether or not people can get their DNT's removed quicker.

do you understand why you're marked with a DNT in the first place?

 

No support. I'd rather have those who scam or ban evader be away for a longer period of time and actually forget about Sythe for a while. Otherwise they'd miss the community and feel like the pardon system is too much hassle so they'd go ban evading. I think the period of 6 months is perfectly fine and shouldn't be changed.

Wortel In my current state as someone who was just taken the 6-month gap off sythe and was and active member of this site and loves the site, I can personally tell you the 6 month period is more encouraging ban evaders. I don't support this because of their already a large waiting for pardon's to be dealt with no point in making them longer. but the main problem here is It's basically like taking a game's console away from a child, he going to try to get it back no matter what.

If they miss the site why not actually give them feeling that they may have a chance of returning instead of completely kicking them off and encouraging them to make a new account? This is why I love the DNT system and feel it should just be given to anyone who asks and it stops's ban evasion incase's like mine with people who enjoy the community as much as they do the market.

But for people who are not like me who are only interested in the market, the whole pardon system is flawed, It's basically saying no you can't come back. unless you change your ip. The 6-month gap is too large. It's encouraging more ban evasion that it's worth, I rather see members with 3 scam or less pay back debts and be allowed to return, As at least this system would get rid of 50% of ban evaders or at least a small about of them. (Edit) and we would at least be able to monitor what their doing.

 

do you understand why you're marked with a DNT in the first place?

The whole point of a DNT rank was so that people will have an ongoing duty to pay back their debts.

 

I disagree, it does its job well. People ban evade because either they don't want to wait out the time or are just here to scam people repeatedly. DNT exists as something to allow banned members to still be part of the community after an initial punishment in order to increase site activity/traffic. Although it is a way to encourage paying back debts, it's technically completely unrelated and plenty of DNT members don't give two shits about paying people back.

3 months is almost no time at all in the grand scheme of things & 6 months isn't particularly long either, but long enough to test people's character. Unless you were a complete asshole, if you manage to go 6 months without evading and you've paid the individuals back a while ago you'll most likely pass. If it was merely 3 months people would wait it out purely for the sake of being unbanned rather than having a change of character through remorse.

If your pardon was denied then the staff still view you as a risk in the market, and 3 or 6 month spans between pardons won't really change that.

 

[Circle]

@Seraphic Don't you think the pardon process could even be made longer? You yourself ban evaded after scamming, so if I'm not mistaken the 6 months clearly wasn't long enough

 

[Pain]

As someone whos been through the pardon process I can confirm 6 months is far to long.

Support.

 

6 months is perfect, you need longer then 3 months to think and reflect on the actions you made, I myself had to wait a year and I was completely fine with it.

 

6 months is perfect, you need longer then 3 months to think and reflect on the actions you made, I myself had to wait a year and I was completely fine with it.

i agree; it's a good weeding out process. the people who wait and try to pardon, it shows character.

 

[Felix]

No support for similar reasons as @Dunworry

No one can really change in a matter of 3 months in my eyes. Let the person mature and reflect on the decision, why they made it, and why they wouldn't make the same decision when given another chance.

 

[Pain]

No support for similar reasons as @Dunworry

No one can really change in a matter of 3 months in my eyes. Let the person mature and reflect on the decision, why they made it, and why they wouldn't make the same decision when given another chance.

Then of course you've got people like semp/sarune who are on pardon #6 who have 500+ PB feedback and is one of the odds staker gold giants and cant get a pardon through for 4 years.

It's people like him that really upsets me with the pardon system and how voting works and the 6 month limit tbh.

The dude has like 5 figures sent to him via gold giants via paypal, he couldn't scam without incurring a debt so large he'd have to sell everything but his left nut yet cant get a pardon through.

When people complain about the pardon system I see him every time lol.

 

[jackthehackm8]

Then of course you've got people like semp/sarune who are on pardon #6 who have 500+ PB feedback and is one of the odds staker gold giants and cant get a pardon through for 4 years.

It's people like him that really upsets me with the pardon system and how voting works and the 6 month limit tbh.

The dude has like 5 figures sent to him via gold giants via paypal, he couldn't scam without incurring a debt so large he'd have to sell everything but his left nut yet cant get a pardon through.

When people complain about the pardon system I see him every time lol.

probably because they're seen as a threat so they're not accepted, isn't it that easy to accept that? If else, a pardon would have been accepted, no?

 

[Xier0]

Hello everyone,

I recently thought of an idea that relates to pardons.

Currently the pardon thread is once every 6 months which would mean a maximum of 2 pardons every year.

My suggestion would be why not make it once every 3 months. This would allow users to pardon a maximum of 4 pardons every year which would give more people an incentive to get back onto Sythe.

Kind regards,
Seraphic

More opportunities, not more incentive. This is an idiotic suggestion, especially considering nothing good has ever come from pardoning anyone anyways.

 

[Pain]

More opportunities, not more incentive. This is an idiotic suggestion, especially considering nothing good has ever come from pardoning anyone anyways.

TF are u talking about? Half our staff have been pardoned at one stage or another, I think practically every gold site owner has to.

Sythe runs on pardoned users lol.

I know theres some downsides to the system but stating that "no good has ever come from pardoning anyone anyways" just isn't true.

 

[Sigils]

to be honest when I was banned I was tempted to ban evade I waited a year and matured and I feel like I have grown from it now I am a successful trader and even do quests and skills offsite I do agree the pardon system is long but as stated the one's who ban evade never go anywhere they eventually get weed'd out and banned I think it should left as is but I do however feel staff should vote faster mine took almost 2 weeks where as others took a few days even though they appealed after me

 

[Apith]

This would allow users to pardon a maximum of 4 pardons every year which would give more people an incentive to get back onto Sythe.

More pardons does not, and should not, give a better chance at getting back. It's based on how long since you've been banned, how you've changed for the better, and whether you've been able to keep your nose clean since.

 

[Sigils]

More pardons does not, and should not, give a better chance at getting back. It's based on how long since you've been banned, how you've changed for the better, and whether you've been able to keep your nose clean since.

what is your thoughts on that guy who refunded 6k usd?

 

[Apith]

Why would someone pay money to victims they've scammed in order to be unbanned just to scam again. If a user pardons they are accepting their wrongdoings and coming back to the site in a positive matter.

Could be because of a bad gambling streak, in debt, or changed their minds. It's already happened before. I actually saw a scammer win 10s of thousands of dollars, he said he'd pay back all his victims. I wonder if he did, but it's a spur of the moment thing after things went his way. Now what happens if he lost it all and more, he could get desperate.

what is your thoughts on that guy who refunded 6k usd?

I haven't been very active lately nor have I put much time browsing Sythe much so I'm not aware of the situation.

 

[Sun]

I feel as if pardon system does need changes even though are opinions are being ignored by staff at current moment or silent and closed like my thread,

But sadly this is not the best solution at moment,

the current pardons are taking 4 weeks to be dealt with as is. This would just cos more issues and as much as I would love this to be brought in because I could pardon again sooner, This isn't the solution.

@Seraphic It's a good suggestion but with the current problem involving the pardon system, I don't believe it's right solution as of this moment. If the pardon system that we currently have is in voting weren't taking such a long time period I would truly love this and support this idea. I do feel as if should be implanted, but sadly with other circumstances that outline above, I don't think it can work till other problems are tackled.

Opinions about the pardon system are not being ignored. Pardons were only taking so long to be voted on due to the holiday. Many people were away for holiday well into January. Now that holiday is over, pardons are getting voted on in a much more reasonable amount of time.

I could write paragraphs why my DNT is unfair but sadly that does not point of this thread but what I would like to see is the amount of staff member's need to vote on a thread changed to 8 or 7 and voting for pass to be changed to 51% instead of 60%. This would make more logical sense. when you do the maths for the reducing of votes. and a majority of staff voting for pardon.

but I wouldn't worry about it, from what I've been informed from my previous thread's is that the staff are currently working on it. So we will have to wait and see the outcome.

I just don't feel it's fair to keep waiting longer for their pardon's and than adding more into it, I believe this is a suggestion before it time.

As I said before, pardons are being voted on much faster now. Reducing the required amount of votes is unnecessary when we have such a large staff team. Regarding your 51% suggestion, I don't agree that's the way to go. The whole point is that 5-4 or 4-5 isn't the deciding percent because it's too close of a vote. We want more than 51% (55%) of staff to agree on allowing a banned user back into the community.

Wortel In my current state as someone who was just taken the 6-month gap off sythe and was and active member of this site and loves the site, I can personally tell you the 6 month period is more encouraging ban evaders. I don't support this because of their already a large waiting for pardon's to be dealt with no point in making them longer. but the main problem here is It's basically like taking a game's console away from a child, he going to try to get it back no matter what.

If they miss the site why not actually give them feeling that they may have a chance of returning instead of completely kicking them off and encouraging them to make a new account? This is why I love the DNT system and feel it should just be given to anyone who asks and it stops's ban evasion incase's like mine with people who enjoy the community as much as they do the market.

But for people who are not like me who are only interested in the market, the whole pardon system is flawed, It's basically saying no you can't come back. unless you change your ip. The 6-month gap is too large. It's encouraging more ban evasion that it's worth, I rather see members with 3 scam or less pay back debts and be allowed to return, As at least this system would get rid of 50% of ban evaders or at least a small about of them. (Edit) and we would at least be able to monitor what their doing.

Again, as I have said before in a previous thread, someone who chooses to ban evade because they have to wait six months is the reason WHY they shouldn't be allowed back on the site. Ban evaders don't respect the rules in place; they think it's better to ban evade and constantly get banned and build a bad reputation for themselves rather than stay off Sythe for six months. Believe me, it's not that hard to stay off one website for six months when you have the entirety of the Internet (and real life) at your disposal.

In response to your console example: When I was younger and my mother would take away my games, you know what I would do? I would do something else, because I knew it was my fault for breaking her rules. I knew the rules, and still broke the rules. So when I got in trouble for breaking said rules, I accepted the punishment so it would go by faster. Me annoying my mom for my games back would only prolong the punishment. Same goes for first-time offenders + ban evaders. They know the rules, they break the rules, they get banned, and then they can either choose to begin to follow the rules which may include being off Sythe for six months, or continue to break the rules because coming back the right way isn't in their interest.

If this comes off as too harsh, I honestly won't apologize because I don't think it's fair for you to say some people "love the site" and "miss it" when they don't respect the rules or punishment that follows in suit when they choose to break the rules.

 

[SPM322]

Could be because of a bad gambling streak, in debt, or changed their minds. It's already happened before. I actually saw a scammer win 10s of thousands of dollars, he said he'd pay back all his victims. I wonder if he did, but it's a spur of the moment thing after things went his way. Now what happens if he lost it all and more, he could get desperate.



I haven't been very active lately nor have I put much time browsing Sythe much so I'm not aware of the situation.

Lol I got infracted for answering a question, The situation with this

what is your thoughts on that guy who refunded 6k usd?

Is @Elite Dust hes the guy he talking about @Apith



OT: No pardon should be not 6 month if denied but 12 IMO