[Pardon] Reduce the time for pardons!

Indeed, it could always be used for a future argument to determine whether or not people can get their DNT's removed quicker.

 

do you understand why you're marked with a DNT in the first place?

 

The whole point of a DNT rank was so that people will have an ongoing duty to pay back their debts.

 

I disagree, it does its job well. People ban evade because either they don't want to wait out the time or are just here to scam people repeatedly. DNT exists as something to allow banned members to still be part of the community after an initial punishment in order to increase site activity/traffic. Although it is a way to encourage paying back debts, it's technically completely unrelated and plenty of DNT members don't give two shits about paying people back.

3 months is almost no time at all in the grand scheme of things & 6 months isn't particularly long either, but long enough to test people's character. Unless you were a complete asshole, if you manage to go 6 months without evading and you've paid the individuals back a while ago you'll most likely pass. If it was merely 3 months people would wait it out purely for the sake of being unbanned rather than having a change of character through remorse.

If your pardon was denied then the staff still view you as a risk in the market, and 3 or 6 month spans between pardons won't really change that.

 

@Seraphic Don't you think the pardon process could even be made longer? You yourself ban evaded after scamming, so if I'm not mistaken the 6 months clearly wasn't long enough

 

As someone whos been through the pardon process I can confirm 6 months is far to long.

Support.

 

6 months is perfect, you need longer then 3 months to think and reflect on the actions you made, I myself had to wait a year and I was completely fine with it.

 

i agree; it's a good weeding out process. the people who wait and try to pardon, it shows character.

 

No support for similar reasons as @Dunworry

No one can really change in a matter of 3 months in my eyes. Let the person mature and reflect on the decision, why they made it, and why they wouldn't make the same decision when given another chance.

 

Then of course you've got people like semp/sarune who are on pardon #6 who have 500+ PB feedback and is one of the odds staker gold giants and cant get a pardon through for 4 years.

It's people like him that really upsets me with the pardon system and how voting works and the 6 month limit tbh.

The dude has like 5 figures sent to him via gold giants via paypal, he couldn't scam without incurring a debt so large he'd have to sell everything but his left nut yet cant get a pardon through.

When people complain about the pardon system I see him every time lol.

 

probably because they're seen as a threat so they're not accepted, isn't it that easy to accept that? If else, a pardon would have been accepted, no?

 

More opportunities, not more incentive. This is an idiotic suggestion, especially considering nothing good has ever come from pardoning anyone anyways.

 

TF are u talking about? Half our staff have been pardoned at one stage or another, I think practically every gold site owner has to.

Sythe runs on pardoned users lol.

I know theres some downsides to the system but stating that "no good has ever come from pardoning anyone anyways" just isn't true.

 

to be honest when I was banned I was tempted to ban evade I waited a year and matured and I feel like I have grown from it now I am a successful trader and even do quests and skills offsite I do agree the pardon system is long but as stated the one's who ban evade never go anywhere they eventually get weed'd out and banned I think it should left as is but I do however feel staff should vote faster mine took almost 2 weeks where as others took a few days even though they appealed after me

 

More pardons does not, and should not, give a better chance at getting back. It's based on how long since you've been banned, how you've changed for the better, and whether you've been able to keep your nose clean since.

 

what is your thoughts on that guy who refunded 6k usd?

 

Could be because of a bad gambling streak, in debt, or changed their minds. It's already happened before. I actually saw a scammer win 10s of thousands of dollars, he said he'd pay back all his victims. I wonder if he did, but it's a spur of the moment thing after things went his way. Now what happens if he lost it all and more, he could get desperate.

I haven't been very active lately nor have I put much time browsing Sythe much so I'm not aware of the situation.

 

Opinions about the pardon system are not being ignored. Pardons were only taking so long to be voted on due to the holiday. Many people were away for holiday well into January. Now that holiday is over, pardons are getting voted on in a much more reasonable amount of time.

As I said before, pardons are being voted on much faster now. Reducing the required amount of votes is unnecessary when we have such a large staff team. Regarding your 51% suggestion, I don't agree that's the way to go. The whole point is that 5-4 or 4-5 isn't the deciding percent because it's too close of a vote. We want more than 51% (55%) of staff to agree on allowing a banned user back into the community.

Again, as I have said before in a previous thread, someone who chooses to ban evade because they have to wait six months is the reason WHY they shouldn't be allowed back on the site. Ban evaders don't respect the rules in place; they think it's better to ban evade and constantly get banned and build a bad reputation for themselves rather than stay off Sythe for six months. Believe me, it's not that hard to stay off one website for six months when you have the entirety of the Internet (and real life) at your disposal.

In response to your console example: When I was younger and my mother would take away my games, you know what I would do? I would do something else, because I knew it was my fault for breaking her rules. I knew the rules, and still broke the rules. So when I got in trouble for breaking said rules, I accepted the punishment so it would go by faster. Me annoying my mom for my games back would only prolong the punishment. Same goes for first-time offenders + ban evaders. They know the rules, they break the rules, they get banned, and then they can either choose to begin to follow the rules which may include being off Sythe for six months, or continue to break the rules because coming back the right way isn't in their interest.

If this comes off as too harsh, I honestly won't apologize because I don't think it's fair for you to say some people "love the site" and "miss it" when they don't respect the rules or punishment that follows in suit when they choose to break the rules.

 

Lol I got infracted for answering a question, The situation with this

Is @Elite Dust hes the guy he talking about @Apith



OT: No pardon should be not 6 month if denied but 12 IMO