Trumps proposal for Temp Muslim Ban

[Xier0]

30 people killed by Islamic attack in Afghanistan today -

Twin suicide bombings kill 30 in Kabul

Islam's death toll continues to rise over 100 million.

Donald Trump's ban will help keep these attackers from killing people the United States.

 

30 people killed by Islamic attack in Afghanistan today -

Twin suicide bombings kill 30 in Kabul

Islam's death toll continues to rise over 100 million.

Donald Trump's ban will help keep these attackers from killing people the United States.

Islamic Attacks on America

Can you tell me which was the latest terror attack done by an outsider, meaning non-citizen. Would Donald Trump's ban help keep these attackers (U.S. citizens/non-outsiders) from killing people (in) the United States?

 

[Xier0]

Islamic Attacks on America

Can you tell me which was the latest terror attack done by an outsider, meaning non-citizen. Would Donald Trump's ban help keep these attackers (U.S. citizens/non-outsiders) from killing people (in) the United States?

You mean like San Bernardino where 14 people were killed?

 

You mean like San Bernardino where 14 people were killed?

They weren't outsiders, both were legally bound to the U.S.

 

[Xier0]

They weren't outsiders, both were legally bound to the U.S.

I didn't realize Pakistan was inside the US.

 

I didn't realize Pakistan was inside the US.

She's a permanent resident through marriage.

 

[Xier0]

She's a permanent resident through marriage.

Still waiting for you to admit that Pakistan is in fact, outside the US.

 

Still waiting for you to admit that Pakistan is in fact, outside the US.

It is outside the US, however shes legally bound in the U.S. by marriage. At the time of the attack, she wouldn't be considered an outsider, hence the terminology "domestic" terrorism being used. If Donald Trump's proposal was active prior to that marriage, it wouldn't stop her Husband.

 

[Xier0]

It is outside the US, however shes legally bound in the U.S. by marriage. At the time of the attack, she wouldn't be considered an outsider, hence the terminology "domestic" terrorism being used.

So she is in fact an outsider who would have been stopped from becoming an insider. It shouldn't have to take 5 posts for you to finally admit this.

The terminology is "ISLAMIC" terrorism, not "DOMESTIC" terrorism.

 

So she is in fact an outsider who would have been stopped from becoming an insider. It shouldn't have to take 5 posts for you to finally admit this.

The terminology is "ISLAMIC" terrorism, not "DOMESTIC" terrorism.

At the time of the attack, she was legally bound. Why do I have to stress this constantly?

 

[Xier0]

At the time of the attack, she was legally bound.

Yes or no: A ban of Muslims entering the country would stop her from becoming legally bound.

 

Yes or no: A ban of Muslims entering the country would stop her from becoming legally bound.

Yes.

Yes or no:

Does her being banned mean the stoppage of San Bernardino?

As you said:

Donald Trump's ban will help keep these attackers from killing people the United States.

 

[Xier0]

Yes or no:

Does her being banned mean the stoppage of San Bernardino

No, you have to ban her husband's Muslim parents from entering as well, since there were two Muslims involved in the attack.

 

No, you have to ban her husband's Muslim parents from entering as well, since there were two Muslims involved in the attack.

Events that occur in the future don't change the past.

You could say the same for every attacker. That doesn't strengthen your argument.

 

[Xier0]

You could say the same for every attacker.

Yes, banning Muslims would have stopped the attack for every attacker. That is exactly why Trump has proposed the ban as a proactive way to prevent Muslim violence against Americans.

As you've pointed out ad nauseum, there are Muslim citizens in the United States already, which is why Trump also has advocating for targeting Mosques in an attempt to control the domestic Muslim problem while shutting off the flow of violent Muslims from outside the country.

 

Yes, banning Muslims would have stopped the attack for every attacker. That is exactly why Trump has proposed the ban as a proactive way to prevent Muslim violence against Americans.

As you've pointed out ad nauseum, there are Muslim citizens in the United States already, which is why Trump also has advocating for targeting Mosques in an attempt to control the domestic Muslim problem while shutting off the flow of violent Muslims from outside the country.

Banning the entry for every race/religion would have the same outcome, but no one would be left in the U.S.

Mass Shootings - 2016 | Gun Violence Archive

Why just stop at banning Muslims when records show violence against Americans are done by numerous groups at a rapid rate?

How do you stop radicalization? You'd have to censor anything of influence, which isn't possible.

 

[Xier0]

Why just stop at banning Muslims when records show violence against Americans are done by numerous groups at a rapid rate?

What other group shows anywhere near as much violence against Americans than Muslims? Is there any ideology more opposed to the US constitution than Islam? Show me and we can ban them too. Remember that 25% of Muslims ALREADY IN THE US advocate violence against Americans.

How do you stop radicalization? You'd have to censor anything of influence, which isn't possible.

I believe the root cause needs to be fixed with the religion itself, a reform needs to be made. If we work around that, we won't be getting anywhere.

Yes it's possible. If you have an Imam telling Muslims to kill gays, you imprison him for inciting violence. When you have Muslims raping thousands of British children, instead of covering it up for years, you imprison them for child rape. When you have a Muslim shoot 50 gays in a nightclub, instead of censoring the call where he pledged allegiance to ISIS and says he is killing in the name of Allah, instead of running 24/7 news storys to ban AR-15s (that the killer didn't even fucking use, and ignoring that guns were banned from where the shooting took place, just like in Paris, and that Mateen also had an explosive device), you don't censor all references to Islam and broadcast that Islam was not the reason for these attacks. When Muslims set up no-go zones for infidels and institute Sharia law, instead of allowing them to breed more terrorists, you arm up and deal with the invaders.

Another Islamic attack in Banglaseh today

Islamic State claims responsibility for Bangladesh cafe attack

Islam's death toll continues to rise over 100 million.

 

What other group shows anywhere near as much violence against Americans than Muslims? Is there any ideology more opposed to the US constitution than Islam? Show me and we can ban them too. Remember that 25% of Muslims ALREADY IN THE US advocate violence against Americans.

In what context? You say "show", but in what way? By saying they hate America or by coming here to commit terror acts?

Non-Muslims in America carried out more than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks In America, and with the current trend of gun violence, that number will continue to grow.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

Muslim violence against Americans isn't common as you make it out to be, in fact, it's one of the lesser common acts of terror.

Shouldn't we be lobbying to stop acts of terror committed by all groups? You never hear about the average daily domestic terror attack in America unless it's done by a Muslim, why is that? There is an agenda.

Yes it's possible. If you have an Imam telling Muslims to kill gays, you imprison him for inciting violence. When you have Muslims raping thousands of British children, instead of covering it up for years, you imprison them for child rape. When you have a Muslim shoot 50 gays in a nightclub, instead of censoring the call where he pledged allegiance to ISIS and says he is killing in the name of Allah, instead of running 24/7 news storys to ban AR-15s (that the killer didn't even fucking use, and ignoring that guns were banned from where the shooting took place, just like in Paris, and that Mateen also had an explosive device), you don't censor all references to Islam and broadcast that Islam was not the reason for these attacks. When Muslims set up no-go zones for infidels and institute Sharia law, instead of allowing them to breed more terrorists, you arm up and deal with the invaders.

How is it possible? The theory of changing scripture does not cancel out those who would still follow scripture prior to that edit.

Look at the KKK, they never went away. Ideas don't fade, there will always be someone there to pick it up in a copycat attempt.

 

[Xier0]

Non-Muslims in America carried out more than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks In America, and with the current trend of gun violence, that number will continue to grow.

Islamic Attacks on America

Muslim violence against Americans isn't common as you make it out to be, in fact, it's one of the lesser common acts of terror.

Muslims make up 1% of the US population, thus making Muslims 10x more likely to commit a terrorist attack than the average American if we took your 90% statistic at face value.

Shouldn't we be lobbying to stop acts of terror committed by all groups?

Yes, shouldn't we start with the one that committs the most acts of terror worldwide?

Look at the KKK, they never went away. Ideas don't fade, there will always be someone there to pick it up in a copycat attempt.

The KKK did go away. There are estimated only 5000 members. Can you tell me how many people the KKK has killed in the past 20 years?

Meanwhile, Islam has killed 2000 people in the last month.

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

 

Muslims make up 1% of the US population, thus making Muslims 10x more likely to commit a terrorist attack than the average American if we took your 90% statistic at face value.

10% accounts for all incidents dating back to 1972. It's much, much lower if we use recent years.

Yes, shouldn't we start with the one that committs the most acts of terror worldwide?

It seems like you're more focused on blocking out, rather than lobbying to stop it.

The KKK did go away. There are estimated only 5000 members. Can you tell me how many people the KKK has killed in the past 20 years?

Meanwhile, Islam has killed 2000 people in the last month.

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

The KKK did not go away if there are still members. I never said the KKK here today killed anyone, I'm illustrating the point that ideas don't fade.