Goku vs Superman

[JSand]

If he cannot breathe in space how did he fight and have a CONVERSATION with Beerus IN SPACE please tell me.How the fuck is he going to have a conversation with somebody in space with NO space suit on but he cannot breathe there do you realize how stupid you sound?

I think you just ruined the entire thread with your complete ignorance. People like you are the ones that ruin this same conversation all over the internet.

 

[Tyler]

If he cannot breathe in space how did he fight and have a CONVERSATION with Beerus IN SPACE please tell me.How the fuck is he going to have a conversation with somebody in space with NO space suit on but he cannot breathe there do you realize how stupid you sound?

Smh..

Okay first of all (again) nobody can breathe in space. Stop saying breathe in space it's impossible because of the lack of oxygen.

Secondly the creator of dragon ball said himself "it looks like they were in low earth orbit" which means they are not in space.


Still within the atmosphere. Not by normal human standards. But not in space.

 

Smh..

Okay first of all (again) nobody can breathe in space. Stop saying breathe in space it's impossible because of the lack of oxygen.

Secondly the creator of dragon ball said himself "it looks like they were in low earth orbit" which means they are not in space.


Still within the atmosphere. Not by normal human standards. But not in space.

Stop being so literal.. IT'S AN ANIME!

Frieza says VERBATIM that he can BREATHE in space. We're talking about the confines within the dbz anime.

 

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Stop being so literal.. IT'S AN ANIME!

Frieza says VERBATIM that he can BREATHE in space. We're talking about the confines within the dbz anime.

THANK YOU still wondering why it's so hard for them to understand this

 

[Tyler]

THANK YOU still wondering why it's so hard for them to understand this

that wasnt even in regards to what you were saying,

I said Goku was not in space in BOG movie and linked what the creator of dragonball said himself.


yet you have provided no proof other than your opinion "that he was fighting beerus in space"

 

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=58xUFNYwbLA

Skip to 13:50 you can clearly see him in space inhaling and exhaling perfectly fine, if you continue arguing after this then idk what to tell you

 

[Tyler]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=58xUFNYwbLA

Skip to 13:50 you can clearly see him in space inhaling and exhaling perfectly fine, if you continue arguing after this then idk what to tell you

okay fuck me,

This is the last time im going to reply to you, because your obviously the kind of person who is "my opinion is final".

Akira Toriyama The creator of dragonball, who has every say on what is and is not CANON in the dragonball universe said this.


Toriyama's statement on the matter.

[B]What are your thoughts on the story you made having become an anime?[/B]
With manga, from the story to the art, everything is completed by drawing it myself. Nothing appears beyond what I’ve come up with myself. But with anime, I leave it up to other people, there’s a possibility that something greater than I myself imagined will be finished up, right? That’s the most enjoyable part of it! This time in particular, the battle scenes were greater than I had imagined. They were better by far than what I’d imagined! I was most concerned with the final battle, but when I was writing the story, no real image of it came to mind. With battles, there are really parts that you don’t understand unless you draw it in pictures…so I was worried about what I should do if there was no power in the centerpiece battle. But…the power was greater than I had imagined! Just as you’d expect from animation professionals! I thought, at the very least, I myself had never seen that sort of super-showy battle scene before.

I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they’d go all the way into the stratosphere[1]……but thinking about it, they’re both aliens, after all. Maybe they can just barely breathe.

Spoiler: TLDR

I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they’d go all the way into the stratosphere[1]……but thinking about it, they’re both aliens, after all. Maybe they can just barely breathe.

Kanzenshuu Translation Note
[1] Judging by the film, they’re in low Earth orbit, which is in the ionosphere, and definitely not survivable by ordinary mortals.



Goku clearly need oxygen to survive in some portions of canon. But he did not fight Beerus in space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVs-ESW1l0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJuhyfB4Mmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gqaCWhYJBM

 

[Hostblapstat]

In Dragonball Goku goes to the moon and puts boss rabbit there meaning he had to go to space and could breathe.

He could live in space during the namek saga (theoritically), frieza most likely said that just to trick goku into thinking he would die and convince him that he was fighting a losing battle, so frieza could escape. Also in the manga king kai said that "Saiyans can fight anywhere."

Referring to the videos you linked to, breathing in water and space are different.

Also nowhere in that statement by Akira toriyama does it say that they cannot breathe in space.


Hey look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zTdGAD2qU KID Goku was able to take people to the moon with no space suit or anything but he can't breathe in space right?

Regular people were breathing fine on the moon (in space) just saying, so basically what your saying is that an earthlings can breathe in space with no suit but goku cant? Atrocious

 

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In Dragonball Goku goes to the moon and puts boss rabbit there meaning he had to go to space and could breathe.

He could live in space during the namek saga (theoritically), frieza most likely said that just to trick goku into thinking he would die and convince him that he was fighting a losing battle, so frieza could escape. Also in the manga king kai said that "Saiyans can fight anywhere."

Referring to the videos you linked to, breathing in water and space are different.

Also nowhere in that statement by Akira toriyama does it say that they cannot breathe in space.


Hey look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zTdGAD2qU KID Goku was able to take people to the moon with no space suit or anything but he can't breathe in space right?

Regular people were breathing fine on the moon (in space) just saying, so basically what your saying is that an earthlings can breathe in space with no suit but goku cant? Atrocious

Pretty sure Goku fought Pikkon in space

 

Pretty sure Goku fought Pikkon in space

They fought in other world.

 

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They fought in other world.

But then Goku and Pikkon flew really high up and fought. Was that other world space?

 

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If earthlings can breathe perfectly fine on the moon, goku can breathe in space case closed.

 

But then Goku and Pikkon flew really high up and fought. Was that other world space?

[Youtube]3Mxr9gnk_2Q[/youtube]

Technically they did fight in space (Watch the first two minutes of the video), but they're dead so I don't know if it's a valid point.

 

[Tyler]

Guys i don't think we should compare anything in other world as it is meant for dead people.

Also point out regular physics like "time" do not exist there so it's not a good argument.

 

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Dont forget Bardock fought Frieeza in space so I'd say it is pretty safe to assume Goku (his son) should be able to fight in space as well.

 

[Hostblapstat]

Guys i don't think we should compare anything in other world as it is meant for dead people.

Also point out regular physics like "time" do not exist there so it's not a good argument.

What about the fact that the rabbit mob (earthlings) were able to breathe fine on the moon (in space), so are you saying that regular earthlings can breathe in space but goku can't?

 

[Tyler]

[Youtube]3Mxr9gnk_2Q[/youtube]

Technically they did fight in space (Watch the first two minutes of the video), but they're dead so I don't know if it's a valid point.

Also after what i had already pointed out if you notice at 15:00 they get flown backwards and each hit a dome of some sort. So I wouldnt consider this space, more like an example of when babadi made his ship have the same qualities as a planet.

Dont forget Bardock fought Frieeza in space so I'd say it is pretty safe to assume Goku (his son) should be able to fight in space as well.

Please provide evidence to what your stating, I'm assuming its from the bardock movie where its shown they were fighting in the atomsphere, even if you try to dispute that the movie is considered non canon.

Also in the new Resurrection F movie, Golden Frieza destroys the planet, Because of Whis's magical powers everyone in his general vicinity survives.

Bulma cries because Vegeta has died, and Whis explains that Frieza is most likely still alive because his race can survive in a vaccum.

Clearly Vegeta died because he cannot survive in a vaccum. He was in his SSGSS form and could have easily survived a explosion from a exploding planet (if you dispute this then we can use this an example that SSGSS goku can be destroyed by a supernova type explosion)

Check out from 1:26:28 onwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNfS9uijGKA

 

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Also after what i had already pointed out if you notice at 15:00 they get flown backwards and each hit a dome of some sort. So I wouldnt consider this space, more like an example of when babadi made his ship have the same qualities as a planet.



Please provide evidence to what your stating, I'm assuming its from the bardock movie where its shown they were fighting in the atomsphere, even if you try to dispute that the movie is considered non canon.

Also in the new Resurrection F movie, Golden Frieza destroys the planet, Because of Whis's magical powers everyone in his general vicinity survives.

Bulma cries because Vegeta has died, and Whis explains that Frieza is most likely still alive because his race can survive in a vaccum.

Clearly Vegeta died because he cannot survive in a vaccum. He was in his SSGSS form and could have easily survived a explosion from a exploding planet (if you dispute this then we can use this an example that SSGSS goku can be destroyed by a supernova type explosion)

Check out from 1:26:28 onwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNfS9uijGKA

Rabbit mob (earthlings) was able to breathe fine in space, so goku can definitely breathe in space case closed.

 

[Tyler]

Rabbit mob (earthlings) was able to breathe fine in space, so goku can definitely breathe in space case closed.

sigh..

Okay first of all, Are we really using an episode. Which is the 9th episode of Dragon Ball as a example of something while ignoring the current generation? If so then superman should be considered a villain because that's how he was first conceived (this is a joke please dont take that seriously like I know you will)



Also Monster Carrot is a magical being, at 700 years old he has the ability to Create and change matter, is seems logical that he could use his magic to help people survive in a vaccum no?

From the Wiki:

Regardless There are a ton more Canon examples of Sayians not being able to survive in space, (including Vegeta most recently) than the strings you cling to.







Let me put a nail in this coffin.

The Daizenshuu, Which was created by Akira Toriyama And is the offical Dragon Ball encyclopedia states this.


*Ki Barrier
Category: ability
People: Broli
Special Characteristics: A green barrier. This is an ability utilized by Broli, still a baby, during the destruction of Planet Vegeta. It allowed Paragas and Broli to escape into the vacuum of space, where Saiya-jin cannot survive. (Daizenshuu 6, p.106)

 

sigh..

Okay first of all, Are we really using an episode. Which is the 9th episode of Dragon Ball as a example of something while ignoring the current generation? If so then superman should be considered a villain because that's how he was first conceived (this is a joke please dont take that seriously like I know you will)



Also Monster Carrot is a magical being, at 700 years old he has the ability to Create and change matter, is seems logical that he could use his magic to help people survive in a vaccum no?

From the Wiki:

Regardless There are a ton more Canon examples of Sayians not being able to survive in space, (including Vegeta most recently) than the strings you cling to.







Let me put a nail in this coffin.

The Daizenshuu, Which was created by Akira Toriyama And is the offical Dragon Ball encyclopedia states this.


*Ki Barrier
Category: ability
People: Broli
Special Characteristics: A green barrier. This is an ability utilized by Broli, still a baby, during the destruction of Planet Vegeta. It allowed Paragas and Broli to escape into the vacuum of space, where Saiya-jin cannot survive. (Daizenshuu 6, p.106)

There was a flashback in Broly's childhood in Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan where Broly was out of control in the asteroid field and he attacked Paragus. There is no planet atmosphere around asteroids. This proves that Broly and Paragrus can survive in space.

Goku: Climbs to the moon on his Power Pole with Monster Carrot and the two Rabbit Mobsters.
Vegeta: Stands on his Saiyan Pod in outer space, as he destroys Arlia.
Nappa: Stands on his Saiyan Pod in outer space, as Vegeta destroys Arlia.
Bardock: Flies into orbit to confront Frieza.
Broly: Flies frenziedly amongst space debris with Paragus.
Paragus: Flies amongst space debris trying to calm Broly's nerves.

In short, every Saiyan who has ever been exposed to outer space (and there are as many in Toriyama's original work as there are in Toei's films, for those who are picky about canonicity) has been completely unaffected.

There is no doubt Toriyama will clear up any confusion with saiyans not being able to breathe in space in the super saiyan god arc.

Just to go further. Goku hit his head as a child, and because of that lost memory that was supposedly planted/natural to him, e.g., destroy the planet he landed on. The ability to survive in space could've also been forgotten. Remember how Vegeta threatened to blow up earth? Obviously he would've been able to survive/breathe in space for periods of time if he deliberately intended to not kill himself in the process. Remember when Vegeta swam miles underwater in the Frieza arc without coming up for air? It's unclear HOW LONG saiyans can breathe/survive in space/without air, which are why pods were probably used.