Goku vs Superman

[JSand]

WTH are you guys not understanding about Superman being vincible? He has already been killed by Doomsday and by some BS came back to life or there was a "new" superman or some shit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Superman

You do realize Goku has died 2 or 3 times?

Surely Superman would want Goku at his strongest, no?

Which form of Superman are we talking about here?

Superman can lift the earth and move the sun. For heavens sake, Piccolo destroyed the moon with an effortless blast, and Goku made a hole in planet namek in similar fashion (in just his ss1 form). Planet namek also is 10x the gravity of earth, making it significantly heavier and more durable, thus being able to destroy, or even puncture it is much more of a feat than being able to lift earth. Frieza effortlessly destroyed the planet.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39875/4494043-6858920508-bKoa4.jpg

Beerus destroyed 2 stars effortlessly because he couldn't sleep. Stars are believed to weigh over 200 solar masses.

1 solar mass = 1.9891 × 10x30 kilograms

Goku can shatter mountains effortlessly in his regular form.

Beerus can split planets by tapping his finger on a table (shown in the premier episode of DBS on July 5) so assuming the strongest form of SSG Goku fought him at 85% of Beeru's max power, he could easily decimate planets as well.

It's been proven that Goku is faster than light speed, and as a child outran a laser.

In terms of Superman's supposed indestructibility, how is this being measured? Superman also hasn't fought anyone close to Goku's level, and Goku has fought enemies much stronger than he is, and has won.

Theoretically, Superman was made to be the strongest in a universe that does not include anime characters. It doesn't make much sense to compare the two, especially since Superman hasn't fought anyone credible in comparison.

I LOVE Goku and DBZ but superman prime is immortal. Goku is not.

Goku can destroy a solar system, Superman prime can lift the omniverse. They literally created the character to be unbeatable which is stupid IMO. I agree with you though, they're not really comparable characters.

 

[Tyler]

Which form of Superman are we talking about here?

Okay so something we have to answer is which version of superman and which version of goku are we going to be comparing.

First of all there's no way were going to use pre crisis superman, This is no longer canon. Secondly Superman could destroy a solar system by sneezing


We cant pit Superman prime against the new dragon ball super Goku for a couple of reasons..

-Because Superman prime is basically omnipotent
-We have not seen enough of the current Goku to determine his feats and abilities (yet) - feel fee to dispute this is you think you can

Some of supermans current stats before we get going, I'll be getting some of my information from screw attacks Superman V Goku information because they hit the nail on the head with supermans info


Speed (Flying) 16X Faster than light

Superman has survived multipule supernovas before

He has held a book of "infinite pages"

awaiting reply.

 

The speed of light in mph (miles per hour) is 670,616,629 mph.
Speed of light in miles per minute : 670,616,629 / 60 = 11,176,943.82 miles per minute (11.18 million)
Speed of flying to Saturn in miles per minute : 746,000,000 / 4 = 186,500,000 miles per minute (186.5 million)
Light Speed of flying from Earth to Saturn = 186,500,000 / 11,176,943.82 = 16.69 FTL
Superman travelled from Earth to Saturn at 16.69 x the speed of light or 16.69 FTL. His fastest recorded flight speed.

This is from the website you gave.

You de-materialize and travel as a mass of light. You'd be surprised how much ground you can cover going 186,000 miles per second.

Goku explains instant transmission.

186,000 x 60 = 11,160,000,000

11 million vs 11 billion mpm

That's the distance in miles in which Goku can travel in a minute.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Instant_Transmission

Here it explains how Goku travels 9,000 times faster than light.

http://www.comicvine.com/goku/4005-19765/forums/goku-is-faster-than-light-1464475/

I'm pretty sure Goku can deflect a supernova with ease.. Especially if Beerus can destroy stars effortlessly.

A book of infinite pages? Lol... These superman comics are hysterical.

 

[Tyler]

186,000 x 60 = 11,160,000,000

11 million vs 11 billion mpm

That's the distance in miles in which Goku can travel in a minute.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Instant_Transmission

Yeah but that's only using the instant transmission technique.
Which he has only done outside of fights with the exception of cell (in canon). But that required him focusing and Cell not engaging him in battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea4UfoPmYiQ


This is not comparative to the speed goku can fight at.

I'm pretty sure Goku can deflect a supernova with ease.. Especially if Beerus can destroy stars effortlessly.

Those are Ki attacks, Something completely different than Superman would use,

Take the infinite mass punch for example

A book of infinite pages? Lol... These superman comics are hysterical.

This is what I mean, Superman has been made to be the most powerful character who is not meant to get stronger, because realistically he has no limits.

Goku would never win. Superman could use Heat vision (temperatures range but general around temperature of the sun), fly out to space (goku needs oxygen to survive, note I have not seen much of dragon ball super) or superman could just fly away and simply outlive goku.

 

Yeah but that's only using the instant transmission technique.
Which he has only done outside of fights with the exception of cell (in canon). But that required him focusing and Cell not engaging him in battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea4UfoPmYiQ


This is not comparative to the speed goku can fight at.






Those are Ki attacks, Something completely different than Superman would use,

Take the infinite mass punch for example






This is what I mean, Superman has been made to be the most powerful character who is not meant to get stronger, because realistically he has no limits.

Goku would never win. Superman could use Heat vision (temperatures range but general around temperature of the sun), fly out to space (goku needs oxygen to survive, note I have not seen much of dragon ball super) or superman could just fly away and simply outlive goku.

Goku can't breathe in space? That's yet to be confirmed.

[Youtube]tAyLJq08lZo[/youtube]

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How is that not comparative to the speed in which Goku can fight at? You need to understand that the opponents Goku fights are on par with him if not stronger. Speed may look slower to show disparity in abilities.

Why does it matter if Ki attacks are involved?

Superman would never be able to catch Goku lol..

 

[Tyler]

Goku can't breathe in space? That's yet to be confirmed.

[Youtube]tAyLJq08lZo[/youtube]

Go to 00:20

Okay so something we have to answer is which version of superman and which version of goku are we going to be comparing.


-We have not seen enough of the current Goku to determine his feats and abilities (yet) - feel fee to dispute this is you think you can

If you think that proves that we should be able to argue that goku can breathe in space, Then its completely justified to used superman prime, Who Is basically god. Also as a Sayian Goku is adept to the limits of his Body (Can only take certain amounts of heat/cold) Which is a huge issue in space, Vs superman who has his bio-electric aura. Who can also exist within the sun.

How is that not comparative to the speed in which Goku can fight at? You need to understand that the opponents Goku fights are on par with him if not stronger. Speed may look slower to show disparity in abilities.

Look, Goku's ability to use the instant transmission requires him to focus, While he's engaged in fighting this just is not possible. If superman stopped fighting him he could, but to what purpose? If you noticed in the video I linked Goku had charged up his kamehameha attack and there was time for characters to speak before he used his instant transmission because Goku needed to concentrate.

Why does it matter if Ki attacks are involved?

Ki attacks (in general) are not quoted or explained in depth in strength, or measured in any extent.

You can tell me Beerus can easily destroy planets with his ki blasts, but there is no evidence that the attacks he is using against goku are in fact those ki blasts which are meant to destroy planets.

 

[Hostblapstat]

Goku would never win. Superman could use Heat vision (temperatures range but general around temperature of the sun), fly out to space (goku needs oxygen to survive, note I have not seen much of dragon ball super) or superman could just fly away and simply outlive goku.

Goku can breathe in space, in the battle of gods movie he fought and talked to Beerus in space so your incorrect there buddy.

I love Superman, but Batman beats them both

Your temp ban should be increased to a perm ban for saying something that atrocious

 

If you think that proves that we should be able to argue that goku can breathe in space, Then its completely justified to used superman prime, Who Is basically god. Also as a Sayian Goku is adept to the limits of his Body (Can only take certain amounts of heat/cold) Which is a huge issue in space, Vs superman who has his bio-electric aura. Who can also exist within the sun.



Look, Goku's ability to use the instant transmission requires him to focus, While he's engaged in fighting this just is not possible. If superman stopped fighting him he could, but to what purpose? If you noticed in the video I linked Goku had charged up his kamehameha attack and there was time for characters to speak before he used his instant transmission because Goku needed to concentrate.




Ki attacks (in general) are not quoted or explained in depth in strength, or measured in any extent.

You can tell me Beerus can easily destroy planets with his ki blasts, but there is no evidence that the attacks he is using against goku are in fact those ki blasts which are meant to destroy planets.

In Dragonball, Goku goes to the moon and puts boss rabbit there meaning he had to go to space and could breathe. It's a plot hole. Bardock (Goku's father) was able to breathe in space. What does that mean? It means all saiyans can breathe in space, they would just need to adapt to it. Goku grew up on earth so naturally he was accustomed to the air and pressure of the earth. There have been many arcs following the the kai arc in which Goku gets much more stronger. Saying he wouldn't be able to breathe in space is comical.

Goku instant transmitted in battle during a fight with Buu. It's possible he could've done the same with his fight with Kid Buu if the supreme kai didn't interfere first, not to mention the Earth was being destroyed at the time so it's understandable if he wasn't able to pull it off in timely fashion. The technique requires focus, not complete focus (lack of any distraction).

Do ki attacks need to be explained for the example of the supernova? I don't get it.

Is that a joke? It's already proven that Beerus can split planets with immeasurable ease. Do you think stars would be any different? Obviously he would use ki blasts far more greater in power if he's facing goku in his God form. That goes without question.

 

[Tyler]

In Dragonball, Goku goes to the moon and puts boss rabbit there meaning he had to go to space and could breathe. It's a plot hole. Bardock (Goku's father) was able to breathe in space. What does that mean? It means all saiyans can breathe in space, they would just need to adapt to it. Goku grew up on earth so naturally he was accustomed to the air and pressure of the earth. There have been many arcs following the the kai arc in which Goku gets much more stronger. Saying he wouldn't be able to breathe in space is comical.

Goku instant transmitted in battle during a fight with Buu. It's possible he could've done the same with his fight with Kid Buu if the supreme kai didn't interfere first, not to mention the Earth was being destroyed at the time so it's understandable if he wasn't able to pull it off in timely fashion. The technique requires focus, not complete focus (lack of any distraction).

Link me to these examples, I cant find them with a simple web search.

 

Link me to these examples, I cant find them with a simple web search.

You don't remember the scene? Smh

Later on, Oolong returns to town and gets verbally bashed by Bulma long for taking off. Oolong also comments that Bulma was nicer as a carrot which makes her angrier. With the Rabbits tied up, Goku uses his Power Pole to take them to the moon. When he comes back to Earth, he explains that if the gang makes treats for all the children of the world for a whole year, he will come up and bring them down.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Boss_Rabbit's_Magic_Touch

I'm not gonna bother looking for the episode since they don't specifically mention it in the article. Basically Goku uses it right before Buu tries to hit him after defeating vegeta, to get to vegeta.

Edit: It was most likely instantaneous movement, not transmission.

Either way, it does mention he uses it in a FIGHT with Beerus.

He uses the technique during his battle against Beerus, while fighting with him in a subterranean cavern.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Instant_Transmission

 

[S]

There's a superman comic released where he cant die...he is actually immortal/invincible. So, theoretically, he would beat Goku.

As Ghast said though, comparing the two is a moot point, as they are completely different in all aspects. Also, both the writers of DBZ/Superman comics are able to add new aspects to them whenever, so there is never a common ground to compare on/from.

 

[JSand]

There's a superman comic released where he cant die...he is actually immortal/invincible. So, theoretically, he would beat Goku.

As Ghast said though, comparing the two is a moot point, as they are completely different in all aspects. Also, both the writers of DBZ/Superman comics are able to add new aspects to them whenever, so there is never a common ground to compare on/from.

I wholeheartedly agree.

By the way, Goku cannot breathe in space. The whole reason why he almost died on planet Namek when it was blowing up is because he could not breathe in space, and if he could breathe in space why would he need to wear a spacesuit? I think it's just another one of DBZ's many many plotholes.

 

[james416]

Goku would win of course, even super saiyan 1 goku

 

[Hostblapstat]

I wholeheartedly agree.

By the way, Goku cannot breathe in space. The whole reason why he almost died on planet Namek when it was blowing up is because he could not breathe in space, and if he could breathe in space why would he need to wear a spacesuit? I think it's just another one of DBZ's many many plotholes.

Goku FOUGHT Beerus in SPACE, he CAN breathe in space. Get your facts straight, maybe he wasn't able to breathe in space during the Frieza saga, but he obviously learned how to or adapted to it down the road. Because like I said earlier, he fought Beerus IN SPACE.

 

[Tyler]

Goku FOUGHT Beerus in SPACE, he CAN breathe in space. Get your facts straight, maybe he wasn't able to breathe in space during the Frieza saga, but he obviously learned how to or adapted to it down the road. Because like I said earlier, he fought Beerus IN SPACE.

Okay, First of all. Nobody can breathe in space, that's impossible. There is so little oxygen. Luckily Superman Does not require oxygen.

Toriyama's statement on the matter.

[B]What are your thoughts on the story you made having become an anime?[/B]
With manga, from the story to the art, everything is completed by drawing it myself. Nothing appears beyond what I’ve come up with myself. But with anime, I leave it up to other people, there’s a possibility that something greater than I myself imagined will be finished up, right? That’s the most enjoyable part of it! This time in particular, the battle scenes were greater than I had imagined. They were better by far than what I’d imagined! I was most concerned with the final battle, but when I was writing the story, no real image of it came to mind. With battles, there are really parts that you don’t understand unless you draw it in pictures…so I was worried about what I should do if there was no power in the centerpiece battle. But…the power was greater than I had imagined! Just as you’d expect from animation professionals! I thought, at the very least, I myself had never seen that sort of super-showy battle scene before.

I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they’d go all the way into the stratosphere[1]……but thinking about it, they’re both aliens, after all. Maybe they can just barely breathe.

Spoiler: TLDR

I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they’d go all the way into the stratosphere[1]……but thinking about it, they’re both aliens, after all. Maybe they can just barely breathe.

Kanzenshuu Translation Note
[1] Judging by the film, they’re in low Earth orbit, which is in the ionosphere, and definitely not survivable by ordinary mortals. But let’s not over-think this…



I dont think we will ever come to a conclusion that Goku is either able to live in space, or not live in space. Simply because the Canon regarding this contradicts itself.

Ghast I have also watched the fight with Beerus, and give you the point that Goku can actively use instant transmission during fights. So we can put Goku's speed as "Instant". But when superman Travels much faster than the speed of light and has made time reverse in the future, I dont think that speed is comparable between these two when you get to speeds that fast.

Also when Goku transported Boss rabbit and his henchmen to the moon, the Human henchmen were clearly seen on the moon with no oxygen masks or anything of the sort.
This must mean that Space works differently in the dragonball universe

 

[Hostblapstat]

He fought in space so he can breathe in space, let's not argue the breathing in space nonsense anymore because it has been proven that saiyans can breathe in space. Vegeta was in space when he blew up planet Arlia, Bardock was in space when he and planet vegeta was destroyed by frieza, why is this still argued?


Have you ever seen a saiyan NOT breathe in space? No

 

[JSand]

He fought in space so he can breathe in space, let's not argue the breathing in space nonsense anymore because it has been proven that saiyans can breathe in space. Vegeta was in space when he blew up planet Arlia, Bardock was in space when he and planet vegeta was destroyed by frieza, why is this still argued?


Have you ever seen a saiyan NOT breathe in space? No

Your argument is idiotic and its laughable that you're getting so upset. Goku is not your typical saiyan being that he was raised as an infant on Earth so comparing him to other saiyans who've lived on other planets and may or may not have needed oxygen to survive doesn't make sense.

He cannot breathe in space. Maybe he can survive in space for a limited time but like i stated before, if he could breathe/survive in space he wouldn't need a space suit and he could've just flown off of plant namek when it was blowing up.

Superman literally studied/trained under the creator of the universe giving him unparalleled strength. Even if goku can breathe in space that wouldn't matter because he'd lose anyway.

 

[S]

Whatever the arguments are for and against, there is one point that is irrefutable, and that is, there is a point at which Superman is IMMORTAL AND CANNOT BE KILLED BY ANYTHING. So, until Akira toriyama writes up an addition into DBZ, that Goku is also immortal and invincible, the argument over.

 

Ghast I have also watched the fight with Beerus, and give you the point that Goku can actively use instant transmission during fights. So we can put Goku's speed as "Instant". But when superman Travels much faster than the speed of light and has made time reverse in the future, I dont think that speed is comparable between these two when you get to speeds that fast.

I gave you an article showing Goku travels 9kx faster than light using calculations (not using instant transmission). The article you gave me says that Superman flies at 16.69 x the speed of light. This just means that most characters in DBZ are faster than Superman. A lot of characters in dbz can use instantaneous movement, so it supports the theory.

Also when Goku transported Boss rabbit and his henchmen to the moon, the Human henchmen were clearly seen on the moon with no oxygen masks or anything of the sort.
This must mean that Space works differently in the dragonball universe

It's a plot hole as I stated.

Your argument is idiotic and its laughable that you're getting so upset. Goku is not your typical saiyan being that he was raised as an infant on Earth so comparing him to other saiyans who've lived on other planets and may or may not have needed oxygen to survive doesn't make sense.

He cannot breathe in space. Maybe he can survive in space for a limited time but like i stated before, if he could breathe/survive in space he wouldn't need a space suit and he could've just flown off of plant namek when it was blowing up.

Superman literally studied/trained under the creator of the universe giving him unparalleled strength. Even if goku can breathe in space that wouldn't matter because he'd lose anyway.

If you're trying to make the point that the atmosphere on other planets allowed saiyans to breathe in space means Goku can breathe in space. Goku has been on planets in which the atmosphere is much more dense than earth. He could've developed the ability to do so.

 

[Hostblapstat]

Your argument is idiotic and its laughable that you're getting so upset. Goku is not your typical saiyan being that he was raised as an infant on Earth so comparing him to other saiyans who've lived on other planets and may or may not have needed oxygen to survive doesn't make sense.

He cannot breathe in space. Maybe he can survive in space for a limited time but like i stated before, if he could breathe/survive in space he wouldn't need a space suit and he could've just flown off of plant namek when it was blowing up.

Superman literally studied/trained under the creator of the universe giving him unparalleled strength. Even if goku can breathe in space that wouldn't matter because he'd lose anyway.

If he cannot breathe in space how did he fight and have a CONVERSATION with Beerus IN SPACE please tell me.How the fuck is he going to have a conversation with somebody in space with NO space suit on but he cannot breathe there do you realize how stupid you sound?