Goku vs Superman

[Tyler]

From going over everything there is evidence that some sayians can exist in space unaffected by the lack of oxygen, Specifically Vegeta and Nappa as Arlia is destroyed. It is CANON and not refutable as they are clearly out the atmosphere.

Seeing as we have concrete evidence that sayians can and cannot survive in a vaccum we cannot continue disputing this point as it is useless to do so. DB just has too many plotholes regarding this.


A question I have for you Ghast, Since we can put supermans fighting speed as 16X FTL, and has time traveled before in the past due to his speed.

And we can put goku's fighting speed as "instant" (meaning he is literally in multipule places at once)

Does fighting speed past FTL actually matter?
Seeing as theoretically if you travel FTL you can travel back in time, therefore being in multiple places at once, therefore if you can fight FTL your movement speed is also "Instant"?

 

Once again, stop trying to apply real life physics to fictional worlds that are intentionally meant to circumvent these rules for the sake of entertainment. It doesn't even make sense. Superman can't teleport, Goku can.

In short, every Saiyan who has ever been exposed to outer space (and there are as many in Toriyama's original work as there are in Toei's films, for those who are picky about canonicity) has been completely unaffected.

Cough

 

[Tyler]

Once again, stop trying to apply real life physics to fictional worlds that are intentionally meant to circumvent these rules for the sake of entertainment. It doesn't even make sense. Superman can't teleport, Goku can.

What kind of medium do you suggest that we base this discussion on? Otherwise there is no reason to keep discussing as there is no medium to which they would be able to fight each other.

Whis cant teleport, but he sure as hell is faster than goku, and goku travels "instantly"

Cough

Seeing as we have concrete evidence that sayians can and cannot survive in a vaccum we cannot continue disputing this point as it is useless to do so. DB just has too many plotholes regarding this.

Cough

 

What kind of medium do you suggest that we base this discussion on? Otherwise there is no reason to keep discussing as there is no medium to which they would be able to fight each other.

Whis cant teleport, but he sure as hell is faster than goku, and goku travels "instantly"

Cough

Sigh.. Here is a link I gave 2 pages ago.

http://www.comicvine.com/goku/4005-19765/forums/goku-is-faster-than-light-1464475/

Here is the problem with the snake way calculation.

"6,800mph x 586 x 50 x 2 x 4 = 1,593,920,000mph

You don't initially divide by 10 because Snakeway is normal gravity and not a part of King Kai's 10x gravity, If you noticed, I stopped after the SSJ3 multiplier - this is now Goku's base form as his base form in GT is roughly equal (if not even stronger) than his DBZ SSJ3 form. So we have:

1,593,920,000 x 50 x 2 x 4 x 10 = 6,375,680,000,000mph

6,375,680,000,000mph / 671,000,000 (speed of light in mph) = 9,501 times faster than light."

credit goes to DigimonTrainer on gamefaqs.com for corrrecting this.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000113-dragon-ball-general/65152408

So even if we use the snake way calculation you can see goku is MFTL

This is by traveling without using instant transmission, or instantaneous movement.

What kind of medium do you suggest that we base this discussion on? Otherwise there is no reason to keep discussing as there is no medium to which they would be able to fight each other.

How about comparing their abilities within their respective worlds? Since we're talking about speed, Goku is much faster than Superman. The average DBZ character is faster than Superman.

Seeing as we have concrete evidence that sayians can and cannot survive in a vaccum we cannot continue disputing this point as it is useless to do so. DB just has too many plotholes regarding this.

I was referring to the authenticity of the canon since you disregarded that.