Are Guns Okay?

[nodnarbusn]

Anything can pull the trigger, even animals and someone could die from that. I'm saying that the weapon is dangerous in the hands of anyone or whatever pulls the trigger. Accidents happen even with the proper care.. Guns are more used for the offense than the defense. I never said I was in favor of taking away guns, that being said, my opinion still stands.

A dog or anything else shooting a gun is ridiculous. The only way ANYTHING like that could possibly happen is under extreme extreme negligence by the gun owner
As in loading a gun, taking the safety off and laying it on the ground. Seriously man.

No one said firearms aren't dangerous. Im just saying they dont fucking kill people, they CAN be used to kill people but so can a butter knife. Granted one is more efficient my point stands, its the same ridiculous train of thought.

Saying guns are in anyway responsible for murder is passing the buck off the murderer to the weapon and that's outrageous. A person is responsible for their own action, not the the tools they use.

And this accidents discussion is equally ridiculous. There are MILLIONS more lethal accidents concerning automobiles and other things yearly. Not to dismiss the fact that accidents do happen, because they do with everything. Accidents do NOT happen with proper care, at least accidents caused by the user.

 

[reyreyspeak]

I dont personally own any guns, my father had two pistols in the house when I was younger and taught me to fire them and handle them safely at a young age. As its been stated, guns don't fire themselves. People kill people and thats that. Theres more crazy people out there than you'd like to think. Why shouldn't people be able to protect themselves if they dont feel safe in a community? At the end of the day, if someone breaks into your house, the first thing you're going to do is call someone with a gun.

 

[Banshee]

Ummm...studies show guns protect more than kill. :lol:

Link me to the "studies"

 

[Delta Squad]

fun fact most deaths involving a weapon, are from a knife, which mosly accur in the EU? why? because guns are hard to obtain and most people try to defend themselves verus a knife, while as if someone had a fire arm you be less couraged to try n attack the robber.


Guns don't kill people, people kill people.


I mean when you kill someone in a car, do you blame the car company for making cars to hard and bashing peoples faces in in when you hit them?

no.

Do you blame chemical companies when little sally gets into the cabinets and drinks a bottle of bleach?

no.

Do you blame the scaffolding company when a worker falls 50 feet to his death?

No.

people need to stop blaming inanimate objects for mans shortcomings in life and take responsibility for their actions, and stop trying to bush blame onto shit that doesn't even have a concious thought.

I mean even if we had a world with no guns there is still going to be crime, there is still going to be violence. Sure you all can live in your little fairy-tale worlds if you want, but me? nigga i live in the real world.

 

[Banshee]

fun fact most deaths involving a weapon, are from a knife, which mosly accur in the EU? why? because guns are hard to obtain and most people try to defend themselves verus a knife, while as if someone had a fire arm you be less couraged to try n attack the robber.


Guns don't kill people, people kill people.


I mean when you kill someone in a car, do you blame the car company for making cars to hard and bashing peoples faces in in when you hit them?

no.

Do you blame chemical companies when little sally gets into the cabinets and drinks a bottle of bleach?

no.

Do you blame the scaffolding company when a worker falls 50 feet to his death?

No.

people need to stop blaming inanimate objects for mans shortcomings in life and take responsibility for their actions, and stop trying to bush blame onto shit that doesn't even have a concious thought.

I mean even if we had a world with no guns there is still going to be crime, there is still going to be violence. Sure you all can live in your little fairy-tale worlds if you want, but me? nigga i live in the real world.

Honestly there are very few "people" who blame objects, it's just to pathetic news media whoreing views and clicks trying to come up with whatever story will grab the attention of the public and the idiots of society drinking the koolaid.

 

fun fact most deaths involving a weapon, are from a knife, which mosly accur in the EU? why? because guns are hard to obtain and most people try to defend themselves verus a knife, while as if someone had a fire arm you be less couraged to try n attack the robber.


Guns don't kill people, people kill people.


I mean when you kill someone in a car, do you blame the car company for making cars to hard and bashing peoples faces in in when you hit them?

no.

Do you blame chemical companies when little sally gets into the cabinets and drinks a bottle of bleach?

no.

Do you blame the scaffolding company when a worker falls 50 feet to his death?

No.

people need to stop blaming inanimate objects for mans shortcomings in life and take responsibility for their actions, and stop trying to bush blame onto shit that doesn't even have a concious thought.

I mean even if we had a world with no guns there is still going to be crime, there is still going to be violence. Sure you all can live in your little fairy-tale worlds if you want, but me? nigga i live in the real world.

I completely agree with your statements. I can't stand when people says the gun kills the people, its the person behind the gun.

That gun can't kill anything just sitting there on the counter, it's when someone pulls the trigger.

 

[Banshee]

well you can blame the fact that it's easier to kill people with an ak rather than a handgun.

 

[nodnarbusn]

well you can blame the fact that it's easier to kill people with an ak rather than a handgun.

What are you even trying to say?

Most handguns are actually easier to use and simpler for the average person to shoot. Let alone an ak is a .30 caliber bullet where as handguns go up to and possibly exceed .50 cal, bigger bullets usually amount to more damage.

I just dont see where you are going with this.

 

[Banshee]

What are you even trying to say?

Most handguns are actually easier to use and simpler for the average person to shoot. Let alone an ak is a .30 caliber bullet where as handguns go up to and possibly exceed .50 cal, bigger bullets usually amount to more damage.

I just dont see where you are going with this.

Maybe the fact that you can spray more rounds with an ak = more deaths, where a handgun only has a small clip usually and is slower and you have to reload more = less deaths.

 

[nodnarbusn]

Maybe the fact that you can spray more rounds with an ak = more deaths, where a handgun only has a small clip usually and is slower and you have to reload more = less deaths.

Ak standard magazine is 20-30 rds. I have a 33 rd mag for my high power (9mm handgun) They also dont sell full auto ak's without a class 3 license. I cant think if one incident involving a mass killing utilizing a full auto.

Target acquisition is faster with a pistol regardless, by your logic thats more deaths. All im saying is you are making generalizations based on video games and conclusions you have drawn yourself.

So im asking again, what the fuck are you talking about and how is it pertinent to the conversation. It is not an ak vs pistol thread lmao

 

[Banshee]

OT:

What are your views on guns?

Should people be allowed to own them? To what extend?

Where does personal defense cross into zombie preparation/hoarding?

@nodnarbusn, firstly this thread is about weapons, and an ak and pistols are weapons.
Secondly, who says i'm talking about USA regulations on weapons, class 3? I'm from italy >>

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Oh and this isn't speculation based on video games logically anyone can conclude more RPM = More Deaths if of equal skill.

" the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults."
So in 10 minutes (9:30-9:40) he killed 26 people with a full auto weapon.

Where as Columbine there was two people, 15 killed with handguns and shotguns which took roughly 20 minutes from the first shot fired.

Take two people of equal skill and have them run out these scenarios, one using a handgun and the other using some form of a fully automatic weapon.I know i'd be more afraid of someone who was able to shoot more RPM into a crowd than just shooting a round at a time. lmao.

 

[nodnarbusn]

@nodnarbusn, firstly this thread is about weapons, and an ak and pistols are weapons.
Secondly, who says i'm talking about USA regulations on weapons, class 3? I'm from italy >>

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Oh and this isn't speculation based on video games logically anyone can conclude more RPM = More Deaths if of equal skill.

" the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults."
So in 10 minutes (9:30-9:40) he killed 26 people with a full auto weapon.

Where as Columbine there was two people, 15 killed with handguns and shotguns which took roughly 20 minutes from the first shot fired.

Take two people of equal skill and have them run out these scenarios, one using a handgun and the other using some form of a fully automatic weapon.I know i'd be more afraid of someone who was able to shoot more RPM into a crowd than just shooting a round at a time. lmao.

First off your post is littered with imaccuracies. Sandy Hook was with a legally owned (by his mother) semi automatic ar 15 . Columbine kids had a hit LIST and a hell of a lot more than just handguns and shotguns ( there was atleast one pistol caliber short carbine), granted this list kinda went out the window once the shooting started they still had specific people in mind. Columbine also had a school cop or two like most US highschools who really helped save lives where as sandy hook was a teeny tiny elementary school with bo where to hide and no police on scene. COMPLEYELY different scenarios. Also a shotgun with 00 buck shot can kill 3-4 people close together easily in one shot. Thats 9 projectiles roughly the size of one 9mm bullet each pellet larger than the AR 15's native round (.223/5.56) oh but its not full auto or an "assault rifle" it must not be good.

You obviously know all of jack shit about firearms and these shootings. Take the most horrific mass shooting to date for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre only handguns were used. My point is a gun is a gun in regards to killing, hell single shot bolt guns have even been used in rampage shootings (dc sniper, austin tower shootings) trying to blame a certain type of gun is just liberal agenda bs against "assault rifles" and "high capacity weapons"

 

[DarkFrost]

They should be just fine, ONLY USED FOR FOR THE RIGHT REASONS!

 

[Delta Squad]

@nodnarbusn, firstly this thread is about weapons, and an ak and pistols are weapons.
Secondly, who says i'm talking about USA regulations on weapons, class 3? I'm from italy >>

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Oh and this isn't speculation based on video games logically anyone can conclude more RPM = More Deaths if of equal skill.

" the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults."
So in 10 minutes (9:30-9:40) he killed 26 people with a full auto weapon.

Where as Columbine there was two people, 15 killed with handguns and shotguns which took roughly 20 minutes from the first shot fired.

Take two people of equal skill and have them run out these scenarios, one using a handgun and the other using some form of a fully automatic weapon.I know i'd be more afraid of someone who was able to shoot more RPM into a crowd than just shooting a round at a time. lmao.

acc if you read the police report, and not just what you heard on the news, he never even used the AR he only used a pistol.


so.. i mean... thoery/invalid

 

[Nick 91]

I own guns, I have a gun license with them. I think they'r good it just really depends on who has them, the situations that happen while guns are around. Can't take guns away from everyone, theres bad with everything.

 

[vegeta508]

Living in Canada the rules in which owning fire arms are completely different from the states, however I do go to the states every year and yeah for me it's weird running into random civilians carrying guns almost everywhere. Then I realize that no matter what object someone has on them, they can kill someone; guns don't necessarily increase violence at all. If the person is violent they will be violent with whatever they have or can find, so I agree with firearms being allowed, and wish Canada would step it up and allow us too carry firearms. Never know when your life will truly be in danger

 

[ilovegold69]

Living in Canada the rules in which owning fire arms are completely different from the states, however I do go to the states every year and yeah for me it's weird running into random civilians carrying guns almost everywhere.

I don't know where you're visiting but I rarely ever see anyone with a gun... And if i do they're usually a cop.

 

Living in Canada the rules in which owning fire arms are completely different from the states, however I do go to the states every year and yeah for me it's weird running into random civilians carrying guns almost everywhere. Then I realize that no matter what object someone has on them, they can kill someone; guns don't necessarily increase violence at all. If the person is violent they will be violent with whatever they have or can find, so I agree with firearms being allowed, and wish Canada would step it up and allow us too carry firearms. Never know when your life will truly be in danger

What state was this? I've never seen this before. Carrying a gun in public is very unsettling to others, not to mention dangerous.

 

[sazy]

Being a Navy seal and all, all I can really tell you is, pray to god you have the ability to get guns and own them.

 

[sazy]

What state was this? I've never seen this before. Carrying a gun in public is very unsettling to others, not to mention dangerous.

I was born and raised in Texas, carrying a gun isn't really dangerous sir.