Bot Busting Reports After 17 September.

[Emperor Nero]

Essentially RiD isn't undetectable. There is a difference between undetectable and low detectability.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

Essentially RiD isn't undetectable. There is a difference between undetectable and low detectability.

Yep, when he first came out I told him he can't say its undetectable and got mad at me and just talked smack.

Since you have to follow certain guidelines to remain on the down low, its not undetectable but has very low detectability rate.

 

[Annex]

Yep, when he first came out I told him he can't say its undetectable and got mad at me and just talked smack.

Since you have to follow certain guidelines to remain on the down low, its not undetectable but has very low detectability rate.

I figure that it would be easy to find RID users by just profiling people's behavior. Assuming that they would follow the guidelines and specific locations that RID uses, you can probably narrow down the amount of players that do that significantly.

 

[Jeff]

In to monitor thread on progress of bots being banned.

Thanks for the awareness.

 

[Marek]

Stopped botting for a while, not sure if I'll resume again soon or not.

 

[Velocity]

Going to stop the bots, thanks a lot for the heads up

 

[Catalyc]

I still think their whole nuke will just be the switch to html5 and the eoc which will take bots down for a period of time sure,

Html5 is the website not the game itself it is still java.

OT" The way the cleaned house in a few areas even grabbing some of RiDs bots should be a sign they probably aren't just talking shit. Every world Grotworms Turoths summer garden all cleaned in a matter of no time was clearly a warning shot to other botters. I assume when they release this update fully in a day or so that it will be maxed out removing bots for a good week. You will see people talking about how they are still botting with no troubles but assume there is just an amount the system can handle at once. It can't go through every world banning 60k accounts in a second which is why they probably cleaned out the heavy areas first before the release to avoid the detection system from completely freaking the F out.



Also I think this purge of bots will be good for a while it will let prices settle, worlds will be clean of G plate D med wearing turds. and great timing also so when the bot makers are trying to change scripts to beat the system again EoC will hit and set bots back even farther.

Now don't get me wrong I dont mind bot as long as they are personal bots. You put on a g plate d med and come by me I will stop my bot just to report them. That kind of shit is what ruins the game. Not someone personally botting for some gold or levels I could careless. You want to fm to 99 rock on but when you build an army to gold farm already crowded places I report the crap out of them.

 

[Emperor Nero]

I figure that it would be easy to find RID users by just profiling people's behavior. Assuming that they would follow the guidelines and specific locations that RID uses, you can probably narrow down the amount of players that do that significantly.

Yeah, I mean it would be pretty easily detected if you notice if you know what you are looking for.


and to the poster above me, read this:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1467886


They are ditching Java and the game itself will be coded in HTML 5.

 

[Trent!]

Essentially RiD isn't undetectable. There is a difference between undetectable and low detectability.

Obviously you don't understand basic concepts such as human behavior and detection systems.

Jagex looks at a player they suspect is botting and they look at many things. They look at the actual game play, behavior, and mouse movements of the account. Now, on top of that, they look at other factors that would indicate that it cannot be a person at the computer, no matter how human the bot is, which is daily play-time. HTTP Referrer, botting with detectable software on the same IP, etc.

I'll give you a prime example as to how Jagex will consider someone a bot, no matter how human they are, if they are breaking these Guidelines, even if they are actually playing the game. Mazime, one of our users played Soul Wars legit for ~72 hours straight (minus bathroom breaks, and time to bring more food/water to the computer desk). He was banned by Jagex for macroing, a permanent ban, even while he was 100% legit and on the computer the whole time he was playing, yet he was still banned for macroing.

With that as proof that excessive game-time can provide enough evidence to Jagex to ban, no matter how human the bot is, the fact of the matter is that breaking Guidelines puts you at risk because you as the botter are choosing to bot more than is humanly normal, or in some cases, humanly possible, and Jagex can use that as evidence.

Following Guidelines = you will fit in exactly the same as legitimate users
Breaking Guidelines = your behavior and activity will match as human, but your Guideline violations show Jagex enough to ban, no matter what bot, no matter how human, or even if you are human in some cases. Being undetectable isn't as simple as the bot getting away from detection systems and Jagex inspection, it has to do with matching human behavior (Ex. daily play-time) and leaving no trace. If a bot was not truely undetectable then it wouldn't matter if the user was following Guidelines or not, they'd still be at risk for a ban.

Like has been said previously, all 11 of the bans were manual bans by J Mods who did "J Mod Sweeps" which mean they went in-game and started manually going through different player's records and picked off Guideline breakers. ALL 11 of the bans happened simply because the user broke Guidelines, not because of the specific use of RiD. Every user who botted in the same areas during the same time period were following Guidelines and were untouched. Hell, I've been botting 8 hours a day lately, I even botted 8 hours on the same day as all of the bans.

 

[Bavend]

I'm currently botting on my computer at home and i'm posting from work. I hope this doesn't affect my main account that I am using EpicBot Free Burner on while i'm gone :/

 

[Emperor Nero]

Obviously you don't understand basic concepts such as human behavior and detection systems.

Jagex looks at a player they suspect is botting and they look at many things. They look at the actual game play, behavior, and mouse movements of the account. Now, on top of that, they look at other factors that would indicate that it cannot be a person at the computer, no matter how human the bot is, which is daily play-time. HTTP Referrer, botting with detectable software on the same IP, etc.

I'll give you a prime example as to how Jagex will consider someone a bot, no matter how human they are, if they are breaking these Guidelines, even if they are actually playing the game. Mazime, one of our users played Soul Wars legit for ~72 hours straight (minus bathroom breaks, and time to bring more food/water to the computer desk). He was banned by Jagex for macroing, a permanent ban, even while he was 100% legit and on the computer the whole time he was playing, yet he was still banned for macroing.

With that as proof that excessive game-time can provide enough evidence to Jagex to ban, no matter how human the bot is, the fact of the matter is that breaking Guidelines puts you at risk because you as the botter are choosing to bot more than is humanly normal, or in some cases, humanly possible, and Jagex can use that as evidence.

Following Guidelines = you will fit in exactly the same as legitimate users
Breaking Guidelines = your behavior and activity will match as human, but your Guideline violations show Jagex enough to ban, no matter what bot, no matter how human, or even if you are human in some cases. Being undetectable isn't as simple as the bot getting away from detection systems and Jagex inspection, it has to do with matching human behavior (Ex. daily play-time) and leaving no trace. If a bot was not truely undetectable then it wouldn't matter if the user was following Guidelines or not, they'd still be at risk for a ban.

Like has been said previously, all 11 of the bans were manual bans by J Mods who did "J Mod Sweeps" which mean they went in-game and started manually going through different player's records and picked off Guideline breakers. ALL 11 of the bans happened simply because the user broke Guidelines, not because of the specific use of RiD. Every user who botted in the same areas during the same time period were following Guidelines and were untouched. Hell, I've been botting 8 hours a day lately, I even botted 8 hours on the same day as all of the bans.

Obviously you don't understand the difference between undetectable and low detectability. Undetectable means that you would never be found, breaking guidelines or not. If you have to follow a strict set of guidelines it isn't undetectable. That is like saying I am immortal, as long as I don't do all of these actions that will kill me.

Sorry to hear that guys. Yeah I thought Jagex would do this.

Agility, construction and the thieving bot are down, while I check 'em out, due to ban reports.
To summarise, we had 2 bans on construction and one on MKF, which were particularly suspicious in that they were issued pretty quick. We also had 2 bans with agility which were a little unclear, both were from the same IP address, one of the RS accounts was breaking guidelines the other wasn't. But I've taken agility down as a precaution anyway.
We also had 5 bans at PC, all those accounts were breaking guildelines (botting excessively) all week, and it's already had a quick update so I'm happy to leave that online for now, although there will be further updates to PC coming soon.

The other bots we've had no problem with, but at the first hint of a problem they'll be taken down, until everything has been checked over and approved.

But yes, Jagex are out for blood as predicted, after the J-Mod sighting earlier this week.
If you are squeamish, I'd recommend you refrain from botting for about a week or so, by which time we will have a much clearer picture of what they are up to!

Thank you

 

[Heads447]

damn well it was fun while it lasted.,,,im going to play LoL now i think anything it better...

 

[Trent!]

Obviously you don't understand the difference between undetectable and low detectability. Undetectable means that you would never be found, breaking guidelines or not. If you have to follow a strict set of guidelines it isn't undetectable. That is like saying I am immortal, as long as I don't do all of these actions that will kill me.

You obviously don't understand the whole point of context with wording. When Jagex bans a RiD user who is breaking Guidelines they are not banning them because they detected the software, they are banning them because they found inhuman play-time history. That is 100% user controlled. It is the play-time that gave away the fact that it's not a human at the computer, not that they are using RiD. The fact of the matter is that legitimate players have been banned for macroing when all they did was play for excessive time. This means that even if you pass EXACTLY as a human, if Guidelines are broken, you are at risk. This means that even HUMANS can be banned for macroing. Under your logic that would mean playing legit is not "undetectable," against being banned by Jagex for macroing. If you can't even comprehend the concept that in order to be undetectable, you have to fit in exactly with human players, then you really need to educate yourself further and maybe try actually going to University and getting a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics and do well enough to be offered a job by Jagex themselves (what RiD did), and then start reading up on detection system and how they work. Part of this is botting appropriately (play-time), and a few other tidbits in the Guidelines. Undetectable bot software is software that can pass off as human, and fits in exactly with the rest of the legit crowd. You could have literally the best bot that will ever exist, and if you're breaking Guidelines you're STILL at risk. You play legit for massive amounts of time, guess what, that's a violation and that can put you at risk. The fact is, that you CAN be banned for breaking Guidelines, even if you've never botted a day in your life.

You are very uneducated about the concepts you are referring to. Educate yourself first, then post.

Also, at your immortal comment: Why then does there exist dozens of movie in which a character is often called and considered "immortal," despite stating that the character can only be killed by poison or physical wounds?

 

Holy fuck, just finished botting 99 str 24/7 and I see this thread o.o Do you think there will be a mass ban on the 24th?

 

[kmjt]

You obviously don't understand the whole point of context with wording. When Jagex bans a RiD user who is breaking Guidelines they are not banning them because they detected the software, they are banning them because they found inhuman play-time history. That is 100% user controlled. It is the play-time that gave away the fact that it's not a human at the computer, not that they are using RiD. The fact of the matter is that legitimate players have been banned for macroing when all they did was play for excessive time. This means that even if you pass EXACTLY as a human, if Guidelines are broken, you are at risk. This means that even HUMANS can be banned for macroing. Under your logic that would mean playing legit is not "undetectable," against being banned by Jagex for macroing. If you can't even comprehend the concept that in order to be undetectable, you have to fit in exactly with human players, then you really need to educate yourself further and maybe try actually going to University and getting a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics and do well enough to be offered a job by Jagex themselves (what RiD did), and then start reading up on detection system and how they work. Part of this is botting appropriately (play-time), and a few other tidbits in the Guidelines. Undetectable bot software is software that can pass off as human, and fits in exactly with the rest of the legit crowd. You could have literally the best bot that will ever exist, and if you're breaking Guidelines you're STILL at risk. You play legit for massive amounts of time, guess what, that's a violation and that can put you at risk. The fact is, that you CAN be banned for breaking Guidelines, even if you've never botted a day in your life.

You are very uneducated about the concepts you are referring to. Educate yourself first, then post.

Also, at your immortal comment: Why then does there exist dozens of movie in which a character is often called and considered "immortal," despite stating that the character can only be killed by poison or physical wounds?

Where can I find proof that impossible human playing time correlates to ban? I wouldn't doubt it but last time I checked 24/7 botting was safe.

 

[Emperor Nero]

You obviously don't understand the whole point of context with wording. When Jagex bans a RiD user who is breaking Guidelines they are not banning them because they detected the software, they are banning them because they found inhuman play-time history. That is 100% user controlled. It is the play-time that gave away the fact that it's not a human at the computer, not that they are using RiD. The fact of the matter is that legitimate players have been banned for macroing when all they did was play for excessive time. This means that even if you pass EXACTLY as a human, if Guidelines are broken, you are at risk. This means that even HUMANS can be banned for macroing. Under your logic that would mean playing legit is not "undetectable," against being banned by Jagex for macroing. If you can't even comprehend the concept that in order to be undetectable, you have to fit in exactly with human players, then you really need to educate yourself further and maybe try actually going to University and getting a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics and do well enough to be offered a job by Jagex themselves (what RiD did), and then start reading up on detection system and how they work. Part of this is botting appropriately (play-time), and a few other tidbits in the Guidelines. Undetectable bot software is software that can pass off as human, and fits in exactly with the rest of the legit crowd. You could have literally the best bot that will ever exist, and if you're breaking Guidelines you're STILL at risk. You play legit for massive amounts of time, guess what, that's a violation and that can put you at risk. The fact is, that you CAN be banned for breaking Guidelines, even if you've never botted a day in your life.

You are very uneducated about the concepts you are referring to. Educate yourself first, then post.

Also, at your immortal comment: Why then does there exist dozens of movie in which a character is often called and considered "immortal," despite stating that the character can only be killed by poison or physical wounds?

Okay let's consider something for a moment: movies - real life. There is a difference there. If you can be killed you are not immortal. Immortality means you are impervious to physical death.

You don't get that the word undetectable isn't a word that you can use in context. It is either undetectable or detectable in varying degrees, it can't be relatively undetectable compared to X. You can either detect it or not detect it as there is no degrees of undetetability. Why are you on this RiD dude's dick so hard?

I am not going into the computer science you fail to realize that are going into an entire spiel about all of this when it isn't even a debate of technology. It is simple language. If it cannot be detected it is undetectable, if it can be detected by any means the undetectability is therefore negated and it cannot be - in full fact - claimed to be undetectable. That is how the word undetectable works.

 

[BGlave]

That's a low amount of reports, botting right now would be stupid anyways.

 

[Trent!]

Okay let's consider something for a moment: movies - real life. There is a difference there. If you can be killed you are not immortal. Immortality means you are impervious to physical death.

You don't get that the word undetectable isn't a word that you can use in context. It is either undetectable or detectable in varying degrees, it can't be relatively undetectable compared to X. You can either detect it or not detect it as there is no degrees of undetetability. Why are you on this RiD dude's dick so hard?

I am not going into the computer science you fail to realize that are going into an entire spiel about all of this when it isn't even a debate of technology. It is simple language. If it cannot be detected it is undetectable, if it can be detected by any means the undetectability is therefore negated and it cannot be - in full fact - claimed to be undetectable. That is how the word undetectable works.

"And even should human biological immortality be achieved, people could still continue to die from unforeseeable traumatic events."

Just because something is immortal does not mean it is invulnerable.

"The absence of aging would provide humans with biological immortality, but not invulnerability to death by physical trauma."

Immortal simply means the lack of aging and growth. You can be immortal, yet still die because, for example, your head is chopped off. If someone is able to live for thousands of years, never age a day, and they will continue to live up until the point where someone stabs them in the heart or cuts off their head, they are still considered Immortal, just not an Invulnerable Immortal. There is a difference.

The concept of RiD follows the same concept. Following the Guidelines for thousands of hours, hell, even 10,000+ hours (Lilcmp1, for example, is ranked as a Guideline breaker & Suicide botter, with over 10,000 hours botted with RiD, and no ban) and if you follow those Guidelines there has not been a single ban in over 4 years. How does that not make sense to you? I've already explained the concept of Jagex's manual inspection process multiple times, and I don't understand how you can't comprehend such a simple concept. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't even matter if you ARE human while breaking those Guidelines, you can still be banned, and it has happened. Jagex is not detecting the bot, they are detecting the inhuman play-time. Humans have been banned in the past for excessive play-time, and framed for botting, even when they never have. That would mean that breaking Guidelines with RiD is just as dangerous and likely to get you banned as playing legit for that long every day. According to your logic, as I've previously stated, even playing legit as a human is not 'undetectable,' which makes no sense.

I'll give you a little excerpt:

The consensus is RiD is undetectable at a theoretical level, this is backed up by a perfect record against the detection system lasting the entire duration of our latest generation of software, which has been in operation since August 2008.

Yes, theoretical level. This means that as RS's detection system is now, and from the perfect record 4 years running of users following Guidelines, the bot has circumvented the detection systems. This also leaves the possibility that Jagex can change or add something to their detection system in an attempt to compromise RiD, however, that also allows RiD to modify the bots to defeat these new systems. It means that while RS bot detection is dynamic and changing, so is RiD, and it takes RiD less work to circumvent new systems than it takes Jagex to add more. RiD has stated that he will not keep his bots available and online if he cannot provide an undetectable botting system. He does not want to provide software to people if Jagex can detect it with automated systems, or even manual inspection while following Guidelines. That's why RiD is taking all of the bots down until after the Botany Bay & Bot Watch update is released and he has the opportunity to test all of the bots to make sure they are safe to use. RiD v2.00 is the next update, and it will be after the Bot Watch system is released. RiD's statement on it:

With the new detection system "Bot Watch" coming out this week - possibly later today - I'm planning to take bots offline while I check them out. Bots will be unavailable while they are tested, and available again once given the all-clear.

I'd expect our most popular bots to be available again within a week.

If you'd like to assist in the testing process, let me know in this thread and if selected I will contact you with more information.
You would be testing RiD 2.0, and will not be charged credits during testing.


When will you be taking the current bots offline? I'll leave them up a few more hours, so you guys can finish what you're doing.

Do you really need to take bots offline? I don't know... but RiD 2.0 is something I was working on already and I'll give Jagex the benefit of the doubt. Assuming they have come up with a perfect system, RiD 2.0 will be exactly the kind of bot you need.

Will this delay the new bot? Yes, but I'd only expect this process to take a week or two - so no huge delays.

Can you give us some clues about what is new in RiD 2.0? Yes, there will be optimization to reduce the influence ping has on your bot, resulting in faster, sharper performance. The auto-responder will be upgraded, and extended to pms! And I won't give away too much, but generally you'll see your bot taking a less minimalistic approach to tasks!

Thank you for your patience.

 

[Super-natural]

I myself am quite excited about the bot Nuke.

If it wasn't for the EoC then I would genuinely be really excited to play the game properly again, but with the EoC coming up I know that I'll only have around a month of legit playing.

 

[MrLuckyDraw]

@Trent - It can't be undetectable if people have been caught using it.

and also,

If I created a bot with my extensive knowledge of java (sarcasm) and it manages to work.(Say for example, I made a simple alcher)
Although it is easily noticeable by any JMod / players, could I say that ok, here are the guidelines:

You must be in the middle of nowhere while alching so no one can see you to report you.
You must only use the bot 10 minutes a day.
You must always be present while bot is doing its business incase of screw ups.

If you followed these guidelines, this bot is 100% undetectable!

...

Reductio ad absurdum.