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[Alteranz]

If you want something to ponder on, watch a documentary/film called "everything is spiritual". He doesnt prove anything, but he does give you a lot to think about :/

 

[Shredderbeam]

God exists because... how do you think Adam and Eve came about?

I didn't realize that Adam and Eve existed in the first place.

I remember that some guy offered 10 billion to provide proof of evolution.
So your 5 grand aint worth shieet

It was a $250,000 offer, actually.

The thing is, if you even took the time to read the bible.... (not for converting reasons, but so you have knowledge on what you don't think exists) then you would realise that God isnt a person, he isnt a being like you or me, but instead he is everything...

Read it and find out.... and I'm not talking about all that catholic bullshit or mormen etc. since all these religions warp the bible and change what really happened. They made up their own rules (eg. 7 deadly sins), instead read the straight up, unmodified baptist bible, You might get some answers then :/

And don't reply with something like "I'm not gonna waste my time reading that" or something along those lines, because you can't NOT believe in something that you don't even know fully about, whether it be real or not....
I could say your an ugly F**k, but I wouldnt know since I have never seen you so I cannot believe your an ugly F**k... its the same instance, dont shoot something down if you dont know the whole story.

And this unfortunately is the main problem with athiests, you say to them "do you believe in god?" and they reply "f**k no, that's just some bull story...". Then you ask if they even know who/what god is and they always reply vaguely "just some imaginary big dude up in the sky that supposedly made us"..... They dont even know anything about him, yet they say it's not real.

I've already read the Bible a few times. It's not so much a misunderstanding as to the nature of God, it's a lack of evidence that any sort of God actually exists.

 

[Duffy201]

i found this website this http://www.godisimaginary.com/index.htm

buy they just think good is imaginary so thats is just proof that he doesnt exsist

 

[Flame Att33]

GOD IS FAKE


iGOD IS REAL

 

[p0oned y0u1]

Honestly there is no way to prove God exists. If you won't except the fact that it is as logical as evolution or spontaneous combustion, except for the fact that it gives life meaning that is your problem. I am not saying my religion is right and trying to force it on you. I'm saying one religion has to be. Think about it. All your beliefs are is religion in a less logical way. That is your religion gives no purpose to life except for enjoying it to the fullest, and hoping somehow you find happiness. (which you won't) You can ask all the people that have loads of money and if they are honest with you they will tell you they are no happier then they were when they were poor. Money and monetary things only give a sense of *high* for a little while. Then the high wears off and you are back where you were left before. In a sense of despair and loneliness, and if you can't even admit that you are delusional. If atheists really understood there stand point then their whole life would be void and meaningless. With out some higher purpose what is your point in living? Honestly... you go day by day. Most days blow. You get little satisfaction out of what you do and when you do feel happiness it is gone as fast as it was received. When you wake up in the morning don't you ever think what is the point to living if I am just going to be nothing in the end. You will say so I can help benefit the future generations, but honestly how will that benefit you. As an atheist logically you would believe that if it benefits you then that is the best thing possible. Why as an atheist would you care about anyone but yourself, and your enjoyment? Even if you say your motive for living is to help the future generation what good is that? If you believe that when you die you are dead and there is nothing after how will you know if your work has done any good in anyone's life at all? You won't. It all boils down to even if the religious people are wrong at least they lead a better more joy filled life then you ever could have knowing your truth. I mean honestly if you are intelligent (which I am sure you are from our conversations) then you would know that atheism just leads to despair. Sit there and think about it for a while. A world of nothing. This whole life is completely meaningless. If you really want to lie to yourself and say there is some meaning in life then you are admitting that there must be some greater purpose, some greater good. Why did we evolve to have emotions and feelings and to be smarter then the other animals? Why do we care what goes on in space, and how we came to be? These things are not needed in the evolutionary process. All you need to know is eat or be eaten. Natural selection, the strongest/ smartest survive. We don't need music, movies, and other things to survive. We don't need joy or happiness to survive. How did we evolve to have these feelings? Why haven't we evolved out of them. They are completely meaningless unless for some CRAZY reason we are actually created and not just spontaneous nothing exploding into something. If we live our life a lie believing in some sort of deity then at least we lived a much happier fulfilling life then you could. Please, reason would lead to the thought that we are created and not just crap on a plate.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

And what's with you people cussing shredder out? You really think that is going to convince him of anything? It just shows your immaturity and your lack of reasoning. It isn't hard to have a religious debate without insulting. I'm sure cussing at him will really show God to him. You know prove he exists and show him his love... Please think before you go around doing ignorant things like that. Cussing is just a form of showing your frustration for being mad you were beaten down by his intellect.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Honestly there is no way to prove God exists. If you won't except the fact that it is as logical as evolution or spontaneous combustion, except for the fact that it gives life meaning that is your problem. I am not saying my religion is right and trying to force it on you. I'm saying one religion has to be. Think about it. All your beliefs are is religion in a less logical way.

Well religion is usually considered to be a belief system based upon the supernatural. My belief system is fully justified by empirical science - I'm not sure if "religion" is the correct term.

That is your religion gives no purpose to life except for enjoying it to the fullest, and hoping somehow you find happiness. (which you won't) You can ask all the people that have loads of money and if they are honest with you they will tell you they are no happier then they were when they were poor. Money and monetary things only give a sense of *high* for a little while. Then the high wears off and you are back where you were left before. In a sense of despair and loneliness, and if you can't even admit that you are delusional. If atheists really understood there stand point then their whole life would be void and meaningless. With out some higher purpose what is your point in living? Honestly... you go day by day. Most days blow. You get little satisfaction out of what you do and when you do feel happiness it is gone as fast as it was received. When you wake up in the morning don't you ever think what is the point to living if I am just going to be nothing in the end.

My life really is not that miserable. I enjoy living, and I don't want to die, so I try to stay alive and enjoy what I have.

You will say so I can help benefit the future generations, but honestly how will that benefit you. As an atheist logically you would believe that if it benefits you then that is the best thing possible. Why as an atheist would you care about anyone but yourself, and your enjoyment? Even if you say your motive for living is to help the future generation what good is that? If you believe that when you die you are dead and there is nothing after how will you know if your work has done any good in anyone's life at all? You won't.

Killing somebody in cold blood would make me feel awful - this is why I don't kill.

It all boils down to even if the religious people are wrong at least they lead a better more joy filled life then you ever could have knowing your truth.

Unless I spend my life getting completely stoned.

I mean honestly if you are intelligent (which I am sure you are from our conversations) then you would know that atheism just leads to despair. Sit there and think about it for a while. A world of nothing. This whole life is completely meaningless. If you really want to lie to yourself and say there is some meaning in life then you are admitting that there must be some greater purpose, some greater good.

Life is devoid of a higher meaning, yes, but not an immediate one.

Why did we evolve to have emotions and feelings and to be smarter then the other animals? Why do we care what goes on in space, and how we came to be? These things are not needed in the evolutionary process. All you need to know is eat or be eaten. Natural selection, the strongest/ smartest survive. We don't need music, movies, and other things to survive. We don't need joy or happiness to survive. How did we evolve to have these feelings? Why haven't we evolved out of them. They are completely meaningless unless for some CRAZY reason we are actually created and not just spontaneous nothing exploding into something.

Intelligence, obviously, has a massive evolutionary advantage. Compare our position in nature to that of chimpanzees!

Emotions are useful for group survival, but they may be a bit removed from their original context.

We haven't evolved out of them because they're not disadvantageous.

If we live our life a lie believing in some sort of deity then at least we lived a much happier fulfilling life then you could. Please, reason would lead to the thought that we are created and not just crap on a plate.

I don't think it would be possible to believe by an act of will.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.
~Albert Einstein

Einstein is clearly not talking about religion here and not about evolution, but it can be taken in a different light. It all boils down to if you try to rationalize everything with science it will in the end lead to meaninglessness. You say your views are completely derived form empirical science. Could you explain your views? That would help a lot, because I know for a fact that evolution and the big bang and most other scientific speculations are not backed by anything except for speculation, and I am sorry for comparing it to religion. I meant to compare it to faith since that is what you have to have to believe that stuff, and in comparing it to faith I would then intern compare it to religion. Since all religion is is faith in a higher being.

I am way off your topic and I am sorry for that, but as I explained before there is no 100% completely factual truth that prove God exists. If that were so it wouldn't be called faith, and everyone that was not ignorant/retarded would believe in him. You say you've read the Bible, but do you understand what you are reading? Heck, I will be the first to admit to you most of the time I don't. Reading alone will not do anything for you especially when you come into it already thinking that it is all fallacy.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.
~Albert Einstein

Einstein is clearly not talking about religion here and not about evolution, but it can be taken in a different light. It all boils down to if you try to rationalize everything with science it will in the end lead to meaninglessness. You say your views are completely derived form empirical science. Could you explain your views? That would help a lot, because I know for a fact that evolution and the big bang and most other scientific speculations are not backed by anything except for speculation, and I am sorry for comparing it to religion. I meant to compare it to faith since that is what you have to have to believe that stuff, and in comparing it to faith I would then intern compare it to religion. Since all religion is is faith in a higher being.

I am way off your topic and I am sorry for that, but as I explained before there is no 100% completely factual truth that prove God exists. If that were so it wouldn't be called faith, and everyone that was not ignorant/retarded would believe in him. You say you've read the Bible, but do you understand what you are reading? Heck, I will be the first to admit to you most of the time I don't. Reading alone will not do anything for you especially when you come into it already thinking that it is all fallacy.

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one."
-Albert Einstein

Also

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
-Albert Einstein

I believe in a combination of science and religion. Not all religion is believing in stupid deities and having blind faith.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
-Albert Einstein

lol that is ignorant of you to post that. Do you think religion is without science? If you do then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Any Christian who is learned in the Bible does not believe in religion without science...

Neither of those quotes had anything to do with anything...

Don't you love it when people post random stuff, because they think they are making a point.... -.-

I was using the quote not as showing that Einstein believed in God. I was using it to show that if you define everything with science it boils down to nothingness...

Good fight you tried though..

 

[m0er]

God created women; and allowed men to inherit the Earth

perfect

 

[dam prayer noobs]

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
-Albert Einstein

lol that is ignorant of you to post that. Do you think religion is without science? If you do then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Any Christian who is learned in the Bible does not believe in religion without science...

Neither of those quotes had anything to do with anything...

Don't you love it when people post random stuff, because they think they are making a point.... -.-

I was using the quote not as showing that Einstein believed in God. I was using it to show that if you define everything with science it boils down to nothingness...

Good fight you tried though..

I don't remember God teaching us anything about chemistry or the structure of our universe in the bible?

It also is kind of foolish to say that no Christian believes in religion without science because who DOESN'T believe in science? Science is exploring the world around us for fucks sake...

Plus when did I say that religion is without science? I used that quote to say that you can't have science without religion and religion without science, not that all religion is without science. Your false accusations make you look foolish.

Plus I believe you are Christian, so I used the first quote to remind you that Albert is not on your side since he believes the Bible is a bunch of made up legends.

And the rest of your post is you boasting about how you think you backed me into a corner and that I have no way of getting out, please...

 

[Shredderbeam]

It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.
~Albert Einstein

Einstein is invoking the "human element" here, or as Kant would put it, sensibility.

Einstein is clearly not talking about religion here and not about evolution, but it can be taken in a different light. It all boils down to if you try to rationalize everything with science it will in the end lead to meaninglessness. You say your views are completely derived form empirical science. Could you explain your views? That would help a lot, because I know for a fact that evolution and the big bang and most other scientific speculations are not backed by anything except for speculation, and I am sorry for comparing it to religion. I meant to compare it to faith since that is what you have to have to believe that stuff, and in comparing it to faith I would then intern compare it to religion. Since all religion is is faith in a higher being.

My view of the universe is an entirely naturalistic one. Everything operates according to natural laws, there is no supernatural element to anything, etc.

How do you "know for a fact" that evolution and the Big Bang theory are based upon nothing but speculation?

I am way off your topic and I am sorry for that, but as I explained before there is no 100% completely factual truth that prove God exists. If that were so it wouldn't be called faith, and everyone that was not ignorant/retarded would believe in him. You say you've read the Bible, but do you understand what you are reading? Heck, I will be the first to admit to you most of the time I don't. Reading alone will not do anything for you especially when you come into it already thinking that it is all fallacy.

I don't see why faith is so important. Isn't it better to have everybody simply believe in an obvious truth?

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one."
-Albert Einstein

Also

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
-Albert Einstein

I believe in a combination of science and religion. Not all religion is believing in stupid deities and having blind faith.

Why do you believe in any part of religion?

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
-Albert Einstein

lol that is ignorant of you to post that. Do you think religion is without science? If you do then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Any Christian who is learned in the Bible does not believe in religion without science...

Neither of those quotes had anything to do with anything...

Don't you love it when people post random stuff, because they think they are making a point.... -.-

I was using the quote not as showing that Einstein believed in God. I was using it to show that if you define everything with science it boils down to nothingness...

Good fight you tried though..

Defining everything with science does not boil it down to nothingness.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

You either misread and interpret or I am horrible at getting my point across (which is very possible). I was not saying that I "backed you into a corner", and how am I the foolish one when you resort to cussing. It would help when you post a quote you also define the reason behind posting the quote or of course it is going to be misinterpreted. So I am not the foolish one who forgot to tell the reason behind the quote...

I was saying that from my interpretation of why you posted the quote (which is obviously wrong, but since you did not state why you quoted it it was not foolish, sorry.) that you were wrong in posting it and that you tried to prove me wrong, but didn't. Now that I know the reason behind you posting the quote, my interpretation of it was wrong there for my reasoning was incorrect. This could have been prevented if you had just said what you wanted to say with the quotes instead of leaving it up to my judgment.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

Why do you believe in any part of religion?

Only the spiritualistic part. Leave the supernatural, blind faith, and worship out of it.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

I did not mean that it is impossible for evolution and all that to be possible. I was trying to say there is as much proof of that atm as there is of God existing.

And why is it the obvious truth? It is just as obvious and truthful as Christianity is it not? I mean they haven't proven that we came from worms (please excuse my ignorance to evolution I am in no means trying to insult you) or w/e we came from. It hasn't been proven that gas came from no where and exploded somehow into something meaningful. I don't see this as obvious I see this as having faith in scientific speculation.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

You either misread and interpret or I am horrible at getting my point across (which is very possible). I was not saying that I "backed you into a corner", and how am I the foolish one when you resort to cussing. It would help when you post a quote you also define the reason behind posting the quote or of course it is going to be misinterpreted. So I am not the foolish one who forgot to tell the reason behind the quote...

I was saying that from my interpretation of why you posted the quote (which is obviously wrong, but since you did not state why you quoted it it was not foolish, sorry.) that you were wrong in posting it and that you tried to prove me wrong, but didn't. Now that I know the reason behind you posting the quote, my interpretation of it was wrong there for my reasoning was incorrect. This could have been prevented if you had just said what you wanted to say with the quotes instead of leaving it up to my judgment.

Therefore you should have asked me my reasoning instead of assuming something and going on and constructing and argument against it. But yeah my reasoning behind those quotes is exactly what the quotes say. I don't really see how there are different ways of interpreting them...

 

[p0oned y0u1]

Therefore you should have asked me my reasoning instead of assuming something and going on and constructing and argument against it. But yeah my reasoning behind those quotes is exactly what the quotes say. I don't really see how there are different ways of interpreting them...

Sorry about that then. I will remember to in the future ask what you mean by it before I go and try to argue against it. My fault.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Only the spiritualistic part. Leave the supernatural, blind faith, and worship out of it.

Why any part of it?

I did not mean that it is impossible for evolution and all that to be possible. I was trying to say there is as much proof of that atm as there is of God existing.

Yes, but why? What makes you say that? Have you studies both theories extensively?

And why is it the obvious truth? It is just as obvious and truthful as Christianity is it not? I mean they haven't proven that we came from worms (please excuse my ignorance to evolution I am in no means trying to insult you) or w/e we came from. It hasn't been proven that gas came from no where and exploded somehow into something meaningful. I don't see this as obvious I see this as having faith in scientific speculation.

I was asking why there was such emphasis on faith in religion.

The scientific method is completely opposite to faith.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

Yes, but why? What makes you say that? Have you studies both theories extensively?

No, sir I have not studied both extensively. I plan to when I go to college. At the moment I am very earnestly trying to study the Bible though.

I know you can out think/argue/rationalize me BUT you haven't talked to Jeff yet. =P